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kylmx

Valued member
Hi there i recently went for a few consultations on my hairloss situation to see what my options were and wanted to know if anyone would be able to add any insight to my situation.
To start off i'll mention a bit about me. I'm a 24 male from Glasgow with a long history of baldness in the family. I had noticed my temples peaking up for years now but it never bothered me too greatly but the last year or two i have noticed a lot of thinning all along the top of my head. While it's not too severe yet it's becoming noticable that it's thinning and due to working with pools it tends to become even more apparent.

Back to the consultations now. I enquired to a few clinics about consultations to assess my options fully. I went to vinci first and had a meeting with them. they initially wanted to do a FUT transplant but i was less keen and wanted to discuss FUE instead. They were friendly and helpful and discussed a range of different options including laser treatment. They suggested that i get a graft of 1500 on the top of my head. This was not including the correcting of the peaking at my temples but just focused on the top of my head. They quoted me a price of around £4000 and gave me the dates available to go to either Malaga or London. I left feeling pretty sure that was the route i was going to go down but had a appointment with KSL soo decided to go for the sake of it.

When i arrived at KSL i was greeted by one of the owners who had not long undergone his own transplant at the crown. I was fairly impressed at the results he showed in just 3-4 months (Though he had admitted to using fiber fillers to patch it up a bit) We discussed pretty much the same things once more though his check of my hair was more in depth. He used a scope to check at my scalp and informed me my hair folicles were still there which was good and that with a transplant and a post care plan of laser treatments as well as some topical treatments that i would be able to regain the thickness of my hair. Unlike with Vinci he immediately had the same approach as me He didn't think a FUT was the right route to go down as it left yourself somewhat limited in the future with certain styles and looks. He also wanted to correct the peaking of my temples as well as the rest of top of my head. For this he said that i would need about 2000 grafts but unlike Vinci he proposed doing it all in one treatment as would be best to get it done in one and not have to undergo the process of putting me under twice. He also did not want to go down the oral medication route which was another thing i was wary about. Vinci were keen to get me on Propecia and fenadine but informed me that i would have to take it over a number of years as well as being sketchy with the side effects.

The surgery was in the building next to the office soo offered convenience and he mentioned offering a 90% guarantee which by effect meant that if i didn't get at least 90% of the growth mentioned i'd get it corrected free of charge. The mention of lasers also enticed me with increasing the blood flow in the post care. He offered it all for £5500 if i paid upfront but figured i could get for £5000. I left thinking that perhaps it was the best option but upon looking online i saw a couple of people saying less than favourable things as well as odd poor reviews but there was little information about them. I was wondering if anyone had any dealings with them before or heard anything? Either that or any tips or suggestions to help me make a decision?

Apologies for the length of post as well just wanted to be as detailed as possible
 
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martinvain

Valued member
Hi there.

I have seen KSL results on Celtic footballers but have no experience of them as a clinic.


Regards laser treatment, I went this route with a well known high street chain a decade or so ago and it did very little for me. My opinion is that it is an expensive waste of money. The evidence supporting laser treatment is still weak to the best of my knowledge though others may wish to correct me on this. They also advised against Finasteride but in hindsight it could be argued this suited their agenda to take such a stance.


The decision to take Finasteride is a personal one and it is up to you to decide if it's the right choice for you. However, here are some of the points I considered with regards using Finasteride:
  • Would it make sense to risk to go through the trauma of surgery which could damage miniaturizing hair and leave new weak areas post surgery?[/*]
  • Why do many reputable hair transplant clinics recommend their patients take Finasteride? [/*]
  • Given most balding progresses with age, what is the likelihood I could fix my current problem area only for the area behind to thin over time? Could Finasteride assist in this regard? [/*]
  • How bald am I going to go and do I have enough donor supply to cover the entire area satisfactorily? [/*]
  • Could Finasteride play a role in reducing loss to a sufficient extent that my donor reserves meet my long term hair loss and subsequent surgical needs?[/*]
I'm in Glasgow and happy to meet you for a chat after work one day. You're also welcome to look up my thread on this form or by searching "Dr Bisanga My Experience 2000 FUE" or similar in the search bar.

All the best whatever you decide.
 
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yidd0

yidd0

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They have done a few procedures on scottish footballers that look quite good. Im not sure if i would be too impressed with the consultant wearing concealer " to patch things up a little" though...not exactly a good advert for their clinic.
 
baldasabadger10

baldasabadger10

Valued member
From your post it sounds like they are intending to use general anesthetic, surely this isn't the case?
Also it's not uncommon or a bad thing for a clinic to recommend the use of Propecia or Finasteride following a transplant. The use of meds does carry a risk of side effects for some but can really help slow future loss down the road.

kylmx wrote:
not have to undergo the process of putting me under twice.
Vinci were keen to get me on Propecia and fenadine but informed me that i would have to take it over a number of years
 
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kylmx

Valued member
Thank you everyone for getting in touch. As i said i'm still in the "unsure" category soo all feedback is greatly appreciated. I just want to have as detailed and thorough facts on it all before making the plunge. I've mentioned in my first post i am sure that i had my scalp checked with a scope at one of the consultations and was told that follicles were still there which made me all the more uncertain as whether perhaps wise to jump into surgery before examining every other route first
martinvain wrote:
Hi there.

I have seen KSL results on Celtic footballers but have no experience of them as a clinic.


Regards laser treatment, I went this route with a well known high street chain a decade or so ago and it did very little for me. My opinion is that it is an expensive waste of money. The evidence supporting laser treatment is still weak to the best of my knowledge though others may wish to correct me on this. They also advised against Finasteride but in hindsight it could be argued this suited their agenda to take such a stance.


The decision to take Finasteride is a personal one and it is up to you to decide if it's the right choice for you. However, here are some of the points I considered with regards using Finasteride:
  • Would it make sense to risk to go through the trauma of surgery which could damage miniaturizing hair and leave new weak areas post surgery?[/*]
  • Why do many reputable hair transplant clinics recommend their patients take Finasteride? [/*]
  • Given most balding progresses with age, what is the likelihood I could fix my current problem area only for the area behind to thin over time? Could Finasteride assist in this regard? [/*]
  • How bald am I going to go and do I have enough donor supply to cover the entire area satisfactorily? [/*]
  • Could Finasteride play a role in reducing loss to a sufficient extent that my donor reserves meet my long term hair loss and subsequent surgical needs?[/*]
I'm in Glasgow and happy to meet you for a chat after work one day. You're also welcome to look up my thread on this form or by searching "Dr Bisanga My Experience 2000 FUE" or similar in the search bar.

All the best whatever you decide.
Thanks. I'll read up on your thread and if able to get some time might well consider a meet to discuss it.
The laser treatment mentioned was more post op care for the next following months after the FUE. I think it was included in the package of £5000 and the way it was made out was that it was to increase the blood flow to the hair follicles to make them grow again as well as combined with a topical treatment as well. It seemed logical as he had used a scope on my scalp to check and said my follicles were still there soo had the potential to still grow with some persuasuion. Again though i wasn't sure if that was just a sales technique or not.

yidd0 wrote:
They have done a few procedures on scottish footballers that look quite good. Im not sure if i would be too impressed with the consultant wearing concealer " to patch things up a little" though...not exactly a good advert for their clinic.
Yeah i have seen the results on Stokes and was really impressed. There is a number of shirts on the wall from various others as well but it was when i went online i heard one or two bad stories about them but there was soo little to go on it was hard to make a detailed assessment. The patching up bit was cause he had just recently had the transplant on the temples of his head and just wanted it to look a bit more natural which i thought was fair enough.

baldasabadger10 wrote:
From your post it sounds like they are intending to use general anesthetic, surely this isn't the case?
Also it's not uncommon or a bad thing for a clinic to recommend the use of Propecia or Finasteride following a transplant. The use of meds does carry a risk of side effects for some but can really help slow future loss down the road.
Yeah he wanted to put me under a general anesthetic. Said it was teh most troublesome part of the procedure and hence the not wanting to do it twice. Because they didn't work to office hours i was told that it would not be a problem and althought it would take most part of the day i'd be able to get the 2000 grafts recommended.
I was never keen on Propecia or Finasteride if i am being honest. Vicini when i had my consultation were pretty open that it was one of the things they recommended post procedure but KSL was adamant i should avoid both of them which if i am honest i was thinking along the lines of anyway.
 
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martinvain

Valued member
The routine you have described regarding the laser treatment, scope, topical ointment, follicles still being there and benefits of enhanced blood flow was the same advice I was given when I attended a well known 'hair replacement' studio a decade ago. You stated this was to be used for aftercare in this case, however I personally remain unconvinced of it's worth and consider it an unnecessary, and likely useless, 'frill'. Also, thinking cynically about this, is it possible it could be in the clinics interest to tempt you to try the laser therapy for a fee, and if/when it doesn't produce the results you are looking for, then sell you a hair transplant on the basis you have built a relationship with them? People generally view non-surgical means as preferable to surgical intervention, therefore, it could pander to the average persons mindset. To be clear, I am not saying this is what they are doing, instead, I am trying to highlight how hair loss can be emotional and as a consequence we don't think logically and become vulnerable. So, where possible try and think with your head and not your heart during this process and it will likely serve you well. Bottom line with laser treatment, and if it were me, I'd be keen for the clinic to show me the scientific evidence.

Regarding the anesthetic, what is their reasoning for offering a general instead of local? This seems untypical.

In my experience, the transplanted area should be free from concealer or hair product during the period following a procedure. I am therefore surprised that the adviser is choosing to do this. However, I saw a photo of Griffiths a few weeks post op and it looked to me as if he had concealer on his scalp and it is my opinion that a year on from the transplant he is still wearing concealer - as is Stokes. Griffiths also despite both having growth. The dullness of the hair and colouring is the give away and I say this as someone who has worn Nanogen and Dermmatch in the past and know how it affected my own hair.

Irrespective of your final decision, I would urge you to consult other clinics as good practice.
 
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kylmx

Valued member
martinvain wrote:
The routine you have described regarding the laser treatment, scope, topical ointment, follicles still being there and benefits of enhanced blood flow was the same advice I was given when I attended a well known 'hair replacement' studio a decade ago. You stated this was to be used for aftercare in this case, however I personally remain unconvinced of it's worth and consider it an unnecessary, and likely useless, 'frill'. Also, thinking cynically about this, is it possible it could be in the clinics interest to tempt you to try the laser therapy for a fee, and if/when it doesn't produce the results you are looking for, then sell you a hair transplant on the basis you have built a relationship with them? People generally view non-surgical means as preferable to surgical intervention, therefore, it could pander to the average persons mindset. To be clear, I am not saying this is what they are doing, instead, I am trying to highlight how hair loss can be emotional and as a consequence we don't think logically and become vulnerable. So, where possible try and think with your head and not your heart during this process and it will likely serve you well. Bottom line with laser treatment, and if it were me, I'd be keen for the clinic to show me the scientific evidence.

Regarding the anesthetic, what is their reasoning for offering a general instead of local? This seems untypical.

In my experience, the transplanted area should be free from concealer or hair product during the period following a procedure. I am therefore surprised that the adviser is choosing to do this. However, I saw a photo of Griffiths a few weeks post op and it looked to me as if he had concealer on his scalp and it is my opinion that a year on from the transplant he is still wearing concealer - as is Stokes. Griffiths also despite both having growth. The dullness of the hair and colouring is the give away and I say this as someone who has worn Nanogen and Dermmatch in the past and know how it affected my own hair.

Irrespective of your final decision, I would urge you to consult other clinics as good practice.
Thanks for the info. In regards to the laser treatment i was pretty unmoved by it. When i had the consultation with Vinci they mentioned it as an option and showed some pictures of before and after that were decent results but i was fairly dismissive of it when they said any results were in essence temporary. It was when i went to KSL that i became a bit more intrigued by it, just for the sheer fact that it was mentioned as a way to stimulate the blood flow and for nothing else. The consultant in essence said i could go with the laser treatment but would be better to proceed straight to a FUE transplant and then use lasers to stimulate growth in the weakened follicles before they became dormant or died. I think this was all part of the price they quoted me soo figured it wasn't just a scam to get money from me.

I'm not sure about the anesthetic if i am being honest. In the midst of all the other information i sort of forgot that bit. All i remember was being told it was a bit sore and took a bit of time but afterwards once the procedure started it became "better" for lack of a better word.


I have had a few consultations now with both Vicini and KSL and was wanting to check out the Glasgow hair clinic also. Soo far though i felt KSL offered a more thorough check of my scalp. From the off had a similar mindset to the course of action i had already in my mind, wanted to do more grafts and the surgery was close soo offered more ease instead of having to travel. I'd delayed making a decision till i access my options. Perhaps use minoxidil and some natural DHT blockers to stem the loss and see if any results grow back from the weakened follicles before any more damage is done
 
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Doingthedeed

Member
Are KSL the ones who have footballers on their site but one i saw looked like he had tons of concealer on his head.
Apparently they have no connection to the Glasgow clinic who is on this site.I believe that these do excellent work as they are one of my considerations.
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Vinci Hair Clinic

Valued member
kylmx wrote:
From your post it sounds like they are intending to use general anesthetic, surely this isn't the case?
Also it's not uncommon or a bad thing for a clinic to recommend the use of Propecia or Finasteride following a transplant. The use of meds does carry a risk of side effects for some but can really help slow future loss down the road.
Yeah he wanted to put me under a general anesthetic. Said it was teh most troublesome part of the procedure and hence the not wanting to do it twice. Because they didn't work to office hours i was told that it would not be a problem and althought it would take most part of the day i'd be able to get the 2000 grafts recommended.
I was never keen on Propecia or Finasteride if i am being honest. Vicini when i had my consultation were pretty open that it was one of the things they recommended post procedure but KSL was adamant i should avoid both of them which if i am honest i was thinking along the lines of anyway.
Just to correct the general anesthetic issue, we do not use for any surgical procedures, it is totally unnecessary; local anesthetic more than sufficient and better anyway, during the day the patient has to be in different positions, for extraction, placement of the grafts, it would compromise the procedure if the patient was not conscious.

The use of hair retention meds is a personal choice, it can dictate to some degree the approach of a hair transplant procedure whether the individual is going to use or not.
 
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kylmx

Valued member
Vinci Hair Clinic wrote:
kylmx wrote:
From your post it sounds like they are intending to use general anesthetic, surely this isn't the case?
Also it's not uncommon or a bad thing for a clinic to recommend the use of Propecia or Finasteride following a transplant. The use of meds does carry a risk of side effects for some but can really help slow future loss down the road.
Yeah he wanted to put me under a general anesthetic. Said it was teh most troublesome part of the procedure and hence the not wanting to do it twice. Because they didn't work to office hours i was told that it would not be a problem and althought it would take most part of the day i'd be able to get the 2000 grafts recommended.
I was never keen on Propecia or Finasteride if i am being honest. Vicini when i had my consultation were pretty open that it was one of the things they recommended post procedure but KSL was adamant i should avoid both of them which if i am honest i was thinking along the lines of anyway.
Just to correct the general anesthetic issue, we do not use for any surgical procedures, it is totally unnecessary; local anesthetic more than sufficient and better anyway, during the day the patient has to be in different positions, for extraction, placement of the grafts, it would compromise the procedure if the patient was not conscious.

The use of hair retention meds is a personal choice, it can dictate to some degree the approach of a hair transplant procedure whether the individual is going to use or not.

Sorry about the confusion. Your right both clinics offered the same, local anesthetic. I must have just got the two confused as i was focusing on the other issues at the time.
 
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TamConch

Valued member
I'm only new to the forum, but not new to the research of a hair transplant and live in the same area as you mate. Personally, I had reservations about KSL Hair. The impression I got was almost that of a HT broker. An organisation that would effectively tender my procedure to the world of HT surgeons. Personally I wasn't comfortable with that. I'm sceptical if other things as well but don't want to speak out of turn as a forum newbie. If you're not willing to look beyond I would think The Glasgow Clinic is your only option. They list their surgeons on their website, the price is the price, no deals if you sign up today etc. It felt like a both a passion and a business to the owner as opposed to simply the latter.
 
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kylmx

Valued member
TamConch wrote:
I'm only new to the forum, but not new to the research of a hair transplant and live in the same area as you mate. Personally, I had reservations about KSL Hair. The impression I got was almost that of a HT broker. An organisation that would effectively tender my procedure to the world of HT surgeons. Personally I wasn't comfortable with that. I'm sceptical if other things as well but don't want to speak out of turn as a forum newbie. If you're not willing to look beyond I would think The Glasgow Clinic is your only option. They list their surgeons on their website, the price is the price, no deals if you sign up today etc. It felt like a both a passion and a business to the owner as opposed to simply the latter.
I wasn't sure what to make of it tbh. Like i said the pitch kind of won me over due to the fact he wanted to the same approach as me from the off. I did leave wondering who would be the surgeon. It was mentioned in passing but there was never a name given and it kept sounding like the guy doing the consultation was going to be there for the procedure, though that might have just been my misunderstanding. They sounded promising but the lack of info from the background and review plus a few bad ones i saw here and there online put me right off jumping in.

I had tried to book a consultation with the Glasgow clinic but they never got back to me till a couple of days ago soo never bothered. They probably are my next port of call i think. In the meantime i'm thinking of trying a thing called hairintgro. It's got 15 natural dht blockers and minoxcil in a topical treatment soo hopefully makes a bit of a difference while i mull it all over.

Thanks everyone for all the advice and assistance btw. Really appreciate it!
 
Bigmac

Bigmac

Administrator
Staff member
It's a cutthroat hair loss market out there for sure.

The bad old days have returned.
 
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steven1888

Valued member
A horrible clinic, expect to see a lot of publicity about them in the coming months due to the numerous lawsuits being brought against them. Watchdog is going to feature them at some point so I`ve heard.


 
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beardywierdy

What a Tool
What is the score with KSL. Hasn €™t Brian Macfadden just had work done there?
 
Bigmac

Bigmac

Administrator
Staff member
Hi Beardy.
Indeed he has.
Look at his hairline design and the way the hairs are planted.
Then look at the next picture and decide which one you would prefer.

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