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 Posted: Sat Oct 15th, 2016 08:39 pm
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So today I finally had my FUE carried out at Vinci Hair Clinic on Harley street in London. So I'll go through my day step by step then a couple of opinions at the end!
The Procedure




I arrived in the morning at 8.30 as requested and was taken upstairs at about ten to 9 by their receptionist who was friendly and knew what she was talking about. I filled in some paper work and she chatted away before then calling the surgeon in. The Surgeon was Doctor Lucianni Carneiro. He came in and had a chat, explaining how the day would go ahead and also a little about himself. At this stage he then got out the hairline tool/laser/ruler type thing and began to design the hairline! He came up with a design which he said was natural and suited my face and I was pretty happy with it. However I did want a slight alteration to the temples to which he immediately obliged and completely re-drew and measured everything to my personal liking. I then had my blood pressure taken which was slightly high. I was given some diazepam and let to chill out for a while before checking again. This time it was ok so into surgery I went. It was at this stage that I kinda just thought.... F*** it, and told them to completely shave my whole head to a number 2 haha, I just thought it'd look even sillier keeping it long on top and tbh i've always wondered how i'd look with a shaved head incidentally it wasn't actually that bad, but yeah you don't HAVE to shave your head, I was just one of the weirdos who actually wanted to! haha



The role of the surgeon at this stage was to issue all the anaesthetic to the donor area and mark out where the hair was to be extracted from. Once he'd checked I was completely numb 2 technicians stepped in and began extracting the hairs. While this was going on there was another 2 technicians dissecting the grafts and laying them out into 1, 2, 3 and 4 hair grafts. 
During this the Surgeon was in the room I’d say at least 50+% of the time, basically over-seeing this part of the process. He was never away for very long and I think at points he was actually taking over on one side to allow the technician to have a little break, to be honest I was just lying with my eyes shut and occasionally looking at their shoes! Everyone was wearing Crocs hahahaThis took a couple of hours but went faster than I realised as when I got out for lunch I was shocked to see the time! Thought it was about 2 hours earlier than it actually was. The diazepam musta done its job so don't quote me on any times! Haha
Next up was the incisions. The Surgeon led me back into theatre where he administered the anaesthetic along the hairline and temples. Once I was completely numb the Surgeon, Doctor Lucianni Carneiro, made all the incisions himself along the temples and hairline for where the hair was going to go. Just being honest but this part kinda freaked me out the most. There wasn't any pain but you can hear like a little crunching kinda noise with every incision made. I'm quite a squeamish person so I just sort of tuned into the noise and couldn't stop hearing it. I got through it ok but beware the noise! I mentioned it to him and he did say some people do mention this. I'm sure others here have experienced what I'm talking about, unless I'm just going mad? Lol

The final stage was the implantation of the hairs. The grafts had been divided up by this stage and two technicians then came in. The Doctor instructed to them where he wanted the different density grafts placed and work got under way. Everything went well but it was at this stage I began to feel occasional, mild, sharp pains. I immediately let them know and the Doctor issued more local anaesthetic. I didn't feel any further pains from then on. I metabolise drugs quite quickly so this probably explains that. By the tail end of the hairs being implanted I was getting quite restless in the seat, I'm extremely fidgety as a person but the technicians let me adjust myself multiple times (Sorry guys if you're reading this haha) and have some water etc. 
Once all was complete I had a look in the mirror and just can't believe this is gonna be my hairline! The technicians and surgeon re-iterated on more than one occasion that they were 'very' happy with the number and the density of grafts they managed to extract. They're due to phone me at some point in the next couple of days so I will get the exact breakdown from them at that point but overall they reported just over 2000 grafts. I’ll also get them to send their professional images over but i’ll add some of my own anyway for ths time being.








If these images appear to look a little red/bloody to anyone it's because my blood pressure became slightly elevated. This caused a bit more bleeding than was normal and I had to take real extra care not to except myself over the past 24 hours. The surgeon was clear about this and mentioned it to me, but I think it looks pretty good really other than slight redness?!

Some Wider Points About the Industry In General
Now onto a couple of little things I'd like to mention. These are more general points than about Vinci specifically but I feel they're important as I've noticed it's mostly the same everywhere. 
First up, I did feel a little uneasy going into the procedure. I'd have 4 previous consultations with other UK clinics and just got sleazy salesman/dodgy vibes. Vinci were by far the most professional looking clinic (had a consultation in Glasgow) and the staff (think it was 2 guys called Scott) were decent guys, not pushy and they weren't telling blatant lies like some other clinics were. Vinci are great and professional but once they'd told me who the surgeon was gonna be I couldn't find much, if anything, about him online. 
Now, when I was speaking to him throughout the day stories of past surgeries and experience were rolling off the tongue, what I mean here is that he definitely wasn't making up stories, so why couldn't I find anything much about him?When you google Lucianni, my surgeon, Vinci is the first result that comes up on google, they’ve written a decent piece on him and there is also a good picture which I think is very important, out of the 4 clinics in the UK before Vinci that I spoke to, two of them wouldn’t even tell me who the surgeon was, never mind actually see it’s a real human being! 
Perhaps adding a small portfolio with a couple of satisfied patients and maybe a little video interview with the surgeon or even a patient? I dunno, i’m happy now that i’ve been but I did initially feel a liiiittle bit concerned.

Well if anyone googles him now and comes across this hopefully they'll feel a bit better about it! Yes he is legit! Haha
My final point. I believe there should be more emphasis on the great team of technicians. They're just as important as the surgeon and do skilful work, they should be named right next to the surgeon in my personal opinion, I had no idea  how much work they actually did until I saw them on the day! Again. Vinci actually do have a page on their website that specifically mentions the technicians and their training, some clinics in the UK especially, in my opinion, mislead you into thinking it’s JUST the surgeon that’s gonna be carrying out all this work. I just feel like the technicians don’t get enough credit sometimes, does anyone agree?

Just being completely honest and I hope this thread helps at least one person. The above comments are in NO WAY bashing the clinic. I had a great day, just think in general the industry is still not quite perfect in the U.K.  - just summing up my observations having dealt with multiple clinics in the country.
 To conclude, I am very happy. I liked Vinci and felt at ease in their clinic. Everyone knew what was going on and it was a smooth process, at no point did I feel uneasy or in doubt about the clinics abilities once I'd walked through their front door!

Last edited on Sat Oct 15th, 2016 08:40 pm by gregor100



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I bet this turns out a super result, placement and density looks top notch.

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Thanks mate. The team did seem genuinely pleased with the density of grafts they'd managed to extract, the surgeon and technician said multiple times they were more than happy. 
Donor area is looking alright also and it's only day two. Once I hear from the clinic I'll get all the proper photos up but my phone pics should show it ok for now. 



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Your pictures are good enough to see the work. Looking at your hair line my first thought was it looks straight edged, but on enlarging the images they have created a natural staggered look. 

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Many thanks gregor for showing your case and write up, hope you are healing well, and any questions just let me know. I´ll pass on your comments regarding the technicians, they are an important aspect of a hair transplant and often do not get the credit they deserve. A hair transplant is a team effort between doctors and technicians, and on occasions we may have more than one of our doctors working together along with the technicians. 

Again, good healing and looking forward to watching your progress.


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Thanks Phil, healing up well so far, donor area looking much better and the recipient area looks better now that some of the blood has been washed away with the saline spray.

No questions at this stage, once the clinic phone me I'll ask them for the exact graft number break down and to send over the better pics but that's all. I saw the numbers written on a piece of paper next to the microscopes but can't remember what they were haha



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It has now been just over 48 hours since the surgery so I'm gonna add a few more images, just to show with a bit less blood how it's looking.
Forehead is swollen now for sure, can feel the fluid inside haha, looking forward to that going down.

From now i'll maybe just add images monthly, no need to over-load this thread but I have it linked to my e-mail so if you reply with any questions etc i'll be notified straight away and WILL respond to any and every question you may have!







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Sounds like you had a great experience with Vinci. Those grafts should create a nice new hair line. Thanks for sharing your story, now the hard part of waiting for the growth to happen.
Looking forward to following your progress.
All the best.
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Thank you for the response.

Sleep was a little sore last night, sensation is coming back in the donor area pretty quickly, I'm glad for it though.

I mentioned earlier I'm quite squeamish, something about having numb areas freaks me out also lol. Yeah I'm a weirdo. I'd rather it came back quickly and get it out the way than have weeks of slight numbness.

Having said that I did manage to sleep for over 9 hours in total, only waking up twice! Also yesterday I only needed to take two paracetamol over the course of the day and 3 ibuprofen to reduce swelling.

Most of the swelling is the solution just breaking down though as opposed to natural swelling so I doubt the ibuprofen will speed up dispersing this.



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An ice pack is good for forehead swelling, good to hear the numbness is subsiding so quickly and you're not experiencing much discomfort.



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So I just had my first wash, so scary doing that.
Is there an official stance on how to do the first wash or is it really a matter of opinion?
What I did was, put the post-op oil onto the area and leave for 30 minutes, leaning forward over the bath I rinsed with warm water from the back of my head, letting it run over the recipient area, then my partner got the post-op shampoo and lathered it into my hair and donor area, but NOT onto the recipient area.
We then rinsed the shampoo off from the back again, letting the lather run over the transplanted hair but again, didnt touch it.
Now it's day 4, would it be ok to gently lather the shampoo onto the area? Should I dab it onto the area? Or should I just leave it another couple of days?
The wash, while soothing, didnt take away any scabs or really clear any of the final stubborn blood, obviously because I didnt touch it.
Also - as you can see in this picture I woke up with a little streak of blood on the right temple, I think I rolled over in my sleep, does this look ok? Hopefully I didnt lose any grafts, do you think by night 3 the grafts will have bedded in enough or is there still a risk?
This picture was taken 2 minutes ago, just after my wash.
Thanks!

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Hi gregor, 

It takes about 2-3 days for the grafts to bed themselves into the new area, that said always be careful in the first weeks not to knock or bang your head as they are still vulnerable.


Washing, for the first week be gentle, no massage to the grafted area, the second week you can begin to massage gently in a circular motion the area when shampooing. You will find the crusting will naturally start to lift off, do not be tempted to pick at them. You may see a few hairs coming off with the scabs, don´t worry if the case, it is only the hair shaft and the follicle is embedded into the skin. 



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Hi Mate

 

works looks really good and that amount of grafts should produce a very nice result thank you for sharing your HT Journey with us , will be watching out for your updates all the very best wishing you great recovery and growth .

 

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I waited till around 6 days before gently massaging the shampoo in, the scabs should begin falling off after that. Around day eight I massaged firmer to help the scabs on their way. As long as you follow the clinics post op instructions you should be fine. 
Remember to gently towel pat your hair dry, no need to rub vigorously.



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Would any of you be able to tell me in all honestly if you think I've dislodged grafts here?
This happened a few nights ago as mentioned, was my 4th nights sleep so some time between maybe 76-86 hours post procedure. the blood hasnt budged since, obviously haven't  scrubbed it though.
So annoying, must have just touched it in my sleep but really worried I've done some damage. 
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Its haird to tell, its probably just oozed a little and thats the scab thats formed. If you have lost a few grafts it should not make a difference to your result. If it did I`m sure Vinci would stick a few in for you free of charge.

Try not too worry about it, its an easy fix if you did scratch them out etc. My first Ht with SMG, I banged my crown the next day and lost 4 grafts, they made no noticeable difference to my result.

Hope that puts your mind at rest.



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Thanks again for the response.

On day 8 now, the scabs have all pretty much dried up and gone white/yellow and flaky. It really looks pretty disgusting haha.

I've lightly brushed my fingertips over them a couple of times and some of the loose crusts have come away, but i'm trying so hard not to touch it as i'm still a bit scared im gonna pull grafts out.

I reckon by the time I have a shower tomorrow morning most of them will fall off. Yesterday I let water from the shower head run over my head for the first time, as opposed to pouring water over the back from a basin.

Not gonna attach pictures because it looks so horrible just now haha, I will add some once all the scabs have gone.



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All is normal with your progress. Massage the shampoo into your scalp, you can apply a bit more pressure now, then let it soak on there for 10 mins before rinsing off under the shower. Most of the scabs will wash off easily.
Post a picture after this a debit should be looking good.



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Very interesting read I live in Scotland myself and my hairline is very similar to what yours used to be. How's the recovery stage going?

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Going as expected so far. You may have read earlier in the thread I was worried about a scab that had formed, well luckily it musta just been dried blood!

It pretty much melted away in the shower and now all is going well. All scabs are fully gone now, its day 23 so about 50%+ of the implanted hairs have shed as well. Been sleeping normally since about day 10.

Redness is still there but much less than it has been. Worst part now is probably still the slight numbness in the implanted area. I guess when they numb an area that big it takes a long time to be 100% normal again.

For example I'll get an itch on there but if I scratch it it doesn't seem to actually relieve it, just feels kinda numb still. Doesn't happen often though.

I've gone through all the shampoo they provided and I'm now back using revita/nizoral and carefully applying minoxidil as well.

Only problem now is the wait. It really does look pretty hideous for a while haha. Be prepared to wear hats. Luckily my girlfriend is fine about it but I know she's secretly dying for my hair to grow back and the redness to go away haha.

Any questions about the clinic/my experiences with others etc just ask and I'll answer honestly



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