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Do Not Tattoo Your Head

topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Most of this tattooing of dots on the head is only a couple of years old, still in its infancy for the most part speaking specifically of the newer techniques. It usually takes approximately 5 years for one to start seeing the carnage of bad advice and new procedures that didn €™t quite work out when it comes to hairloss. We are now just starting to get a glimpse on some of the other forums of issues such as merging ink, splotchy, and blue heads. Most will not even readily admit it unless they are asked further questions, which I understand it €™s embarrassing to be made a fool. Yeah they gotcha.

No young man in my opinion should do this to their head. It might all seem like a good idea but when you get that first sideway look it will be game over for you. These guys like to use lots of pictures to entice you €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.well picture this. You start dating that new girl and she is hot €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.you are all excited and the day comes when you meet the parents €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.the father can €™t help but look at your head because something does seem right €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..hmmm €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦will you be going back or will it be game over. If you have hair maybe you can cover it €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..but if you don €™t you are screwed. Put on a hat and forget about social events where hats are not allowed €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦you will be sitting at home like has happened to countless other men wondering............. what now?

If older guys with hair want to do this, then knock yourself out. But the older guys that are advising young guys to do this I personally think should be ashamed of themselves. I €™m not looking for comments or debate just want to post my thoughts and bring some balance.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
You young guys start asking girls in your age group who are maybe just friends what they think about the idea..............or do a poll on your FB page or mention an article you read and see if you can get comments. Forget about comments you see in a tattoo forum......................that is not the real world and those are not the comments you are going to really care about and understand those comments are often generated by the very same people trying to sell you the crap.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
This is for the very young guys. What you need to consider is if the tattoo should look odd in any way and not like hair you will have a huge problem on your hands. Real life requires you to meet the girl's parents, go to birthdays, weddings, baptisms, anniversaries, bar mitzvahs...............whatever the occasion. With most of these occasions you will look kind of odd wearing a hat and heaven forbid someone very close to you dies and you now need to attend a wake or funeral.......................now what do you do..........can't wear a hat.................do you show disrespect and not attend or start searching for excuses..............sometimes there is no good excuse.

Think very long and hard before you consider this and any option........................number #1 rule.............whatever you do has to look completely normal and sometimes the only option might be to do nothing as that is normal.

If you are waiting for that youtube video where the guy shows his bad result and speaks about what they did to him..................don't hold your breath...........it's not going to happen. So each and every time you read or view that promotion you will start to convince yourself in your mind. Seriously start asking people around you what they think about the idea, people who are not associated with the industry be they clinics, patients or customers.

No one in the industry should take my opinion personally. It's not meant to hurt you in any way I just can't see some young guy doing this to his life.

 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Here is the real world.

Going back several years............. I €™m checking out one of the waitresses for the night you know she is handing in her bank and balancing her receipts. We have a fairly close working relationship which is normal with smaller groups as you all know each other on both a professional and personal level.

She goes to wipe my brow with a tissue €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.my immediate reaction was to bob my head back with a €œwhoa €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦take it easy there sweetheart € her reply I just wanted to wipe your forehead you have dirt on it. My reply €œ take it easy with the merchandise € with a quick look into the bar mirror and a wipe with my finger €œ yeah I was digging in the dirt today € €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦she shook her head and laughed and was on her way €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..was it dirt or concealer €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.this is the real world €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..sometimes being close up in people €™s faces and not avoiding people.

What will your response be if the comment is..... what €™s up with your head dude? Why is it splotchy looking? Why is a bluish color dude?..............why do the sides not match the top.............................do you have a reply? €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦are you a quick thinker? €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.do you always a have a good come back?

That is the real world €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦
 
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Coopman

Valued member
Great posts TC.

A friend of mine is a Tatooist whom i have known since school.
A few months ago, i had a conversation with him about SMP and his immediate reaction was one of laughter and disbelief.
He could not understand why someone would want to tatoo fake dots on to their heads, to make out they are not bald.
After convincing him that genuine people pay good money to undergo this procedure (i of course informed him of the sums of money they charge). I expected his head to be turned with the expectation of him thinking of the money he could make.
He then gave me very valid genuine reasons of why it is not a good idea, but more importantly he would not be happy working in his tatoo shop, because of the repurcussions of his work on individual lives if he had done SMP on them.

A few points he came up with were;-

The splotchy look. Yes it is now rearing its ugly head in many different forums now.

The colour of the dye and contrast with existing. Our colour pigmentation of our hair does vary over the years.

If the tatoo hair turns blue as we have all witnessed on different forums. How can we effectively put another dye on top, without adversely effecting the required colour of the result.

Your skin ages and changes pigmentation, how is that going to effect the look of your SMP.

Your skin loses elasticity as you get older.


If i was 25 and i had this procedure and i was a player who liked to hit on the ladies. Hell! I would not like to be known as the guy with a hair tatoo on his head. The stigma associated with that will make you look and feel like a freak. The ridicule you would get from your drinking buddies would be constant.
Imagine a girl going up to one of your friends expressing her interest in you and your friend kindly informs her that you have a hair tatoo on your head and it is not real. It stinks of weirdness and insecurity. Girls can live with insecurity, but weirdness is freaky.

Usage of concealor you can bluff (the dirty hair, dirty forehead) can easily be overcome. You learn from your mistakes when you are using it and you can adapt to suit.

This procedure should not be marketed at young men. However with all those glossy pictures of happy patients we are seeing it must be very hard to ignore to the ill informed.

I believe and this is only my opinion it is ok if you are only trying to create the illusion of more hair if you have thinning hair and are not heading beyound NW4. But if you are under 30 and heading for NW7 you could be making a bad situation worse for an individual. Granted some people will be happy with the immediate results, but nothing lasts forever.

EDIT: Just wanted to add i have seen some examples of SMP with very light shades on NW6-7 patients that i consider satisfactory. Note: the light shade of the dots. I do not want to be entirely negative.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Coopman I agree with everything you have written and it €™s important for young guys to pause as some mistakes are very hard to undo.

I would also add that we seriously need to get away of this concept of having a differing point of view is being negative. If someone that worked in this industry was diagnosed with cancer or their child was found to have a brain tumor I would give them what I thought was the most important information they needed to know €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.not caring if the opinion was popular €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..I would want to help them because I would not want to see them go through pain €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦if the guy selling chemotherapy has one less sale then that €™s his problem €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.maybe buy one less car or something €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.they will figure it out.

 
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salvar

salvar

Valued member
I do understand where you are coming from and I do share allot of your concerns, when I first heard of Scalp Pigmentation I thought it was a ridiculous idea and it could never be realistic or a effective treatment, I was very wrong, in the hands of a good practitioner that is also trained and understands hair and hair loss the results are excellent when done properly.
We have been doing Micro Scalp Pigmentation for around 5 years now and the count of clients now runs in the thousands in all our clinics combined, we where there well before it became main stream like its coming now. When we started I was aware of two other providers worldwide that offered similar service, one was a tattoo artist and the other one only working with SMP. Today it seems like every clinic has jumped on the bandwagon and clinics are opening up like Starbucks coffee shops, this worries me and those considering having SMP have many things to consider before going ahead
When we started we sincerely told our clients we cant tell them exactly how long the pigment lasts, we expected to see them in 3 €“ 5 years for touchups based on the pigments. The clients that have come back in 95% cases don €™t need anything, a few have needed minimal touchups due to fading but we haven €™t seen a single case of color changes. We haven €™t been doing SMP for 20 years so we can say exactly what happens then but we have a pretty good idea from the years we have been doing it.
We also explain and people having SMP should remember even though it can be reversed with laser, it is not a easy process, the client might need up to 10 sessions on some cases with 4 -6 weeks in between to remove it if he changes his mind or something changes, there is no guarantee that it will be removed completely.
We approach SMP the same way as when someone come to us for surgery, we do consult him on the pros and cons, SMP has them just as every other aesthetic procedure, if someone is young, has minimal loss and wants to fill in the hairline we will usually try to talk them out of it, is someone wants a silly hairline that might seem like a good idea today but could cause problems we try to talk them out of it, if they don €™t understand the procedure we try to talk them out of it, allot of clinics don €™t do that as they don €™t have the pedigree to handle SMP the same way you would handle a serious procedure like t is.
We also have the hair transplant clinics that have added this simply because they read about it in the ISHRS newsletter or think that since they are a medical clinic they can easily do SMP, they get one of the nurses to do the procedure without having any artistic skills or proper experience with this type of work, this is as worrying to me as the group mentioned above where they have no medical experience.
Doing SMP is not something that should be taken lightly, it is a permanent or semi permanent procedure that is going to affect your looks for a long time, do make sure you are making the right decision and you do understand what you are having before going ahead, people are right to be skeptical when taking such a big step.

This might seem like a strange post from somebody offering SMP but I think we need to approach this procedure with the same conservative approach as we approach hair transplants, its is a good procedure in the hands of someone that knows what he is doing and on a client that is well informed and selected, its not a solution that is suitable for all.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Where I €™m coming from is that it is an inferior procedure and the risk of someone looking like a complete clown is very high in my opinion. I don €™t expect you to agree with my opinion as you offer the procedure. You seem like a nice guy if someone wants to sign up with you I do not have a problem with it. I don €™t agree with many things I see that appear normal to others €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦I €™m kind of odd like that.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
If you have dark skin I would be especially careful. Having any discoloration lasered off would be a complete nightmare.

I like the way the ink just disappears €¦ €¦ the body just eats it up like it €™s a garbage disposal or something.

Pigments build up in the kidneys, spleen and lymph nodes that is where is disappears to €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..now you see it now you don €™t.

Here is the thing with long term ramifications. The guys selling the crap are never around when that happens €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦they made their money and could very well have passed on depending on how long it takes for something to surface then try and make the connection €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦usually can €™t be done. Unless you have enough people that suffer the consequences, tobacco, asbestos, etc, you are out of luck. Even then those that actually suffered the damage receive a pittance.


 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Salvar I would also add anyone can go to you website and view the results. My opinion is that anyone that does this will perhaps be making one of the worst decisions of their life. No matter how nice of a guy the patient is or how much they have going on I think they will be very hard pressed to find a woman that will want to date them or be seen in public with them.

Maybe an older woman can deal with it but a younger one.....................no way. And I don't say this to hurt you personally. You have not caused me any harm and as stated you seem to be a nice guy.................but this is complete and utter crap. Like having a giant stain on your head that never goes away.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
My comments are not meant to hurt the feelings of anyone who has had this procedure but in my opinion the greater good is warning others it might not be a good idea. If you decide to move forward of course I wish you luck.

No one should be placed in a position where they are now the joke because someone fooled them.

Salvar I looked at many of those results on your site and I seriously was saying to myself oh my god what have you done to these guys €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦I think what you are doing is wrong and you need help...... €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.or course I wouldn €™t expect you to agree €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.but I honestly feel many of those patients are in a very bad place.
 
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topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Hey Coopman €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..you €™re friend, he is a real man in my opinion. I €™m sure he takes very good care of his family and friends. The kind of person that keeps his word no matter what and never let €™s others down. Very responsible and always doing the right thing.

I have never met him but I €™m sure that is who he is, sounds like a very good friend to have in your circle.
 
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Coopman

Valued member
He is a good guy TC, to look at him he is 120-130kg. Caked in Tattoos and could look slightly menacing to some people. But that is so far from the truth and we all know how easy it is for a devil to disguise himself as a good guy.

The community work as well as his tattoo work he does in our hometown makes him quite a well known individual, although his wife may not appreciate so many girls(customers) coming up to him in the street and chatting to him.

But joking aside, when i was having a chat to him over a few beers and i brought up the subject of SMP. My brain was thinking in business mode i said "you could make some serious money from this".
This guy has ethics he would not under any situation tattoo dots onto someones head to make it look like they had hair. As i said in my previous post he thought i was joking with him when i said people are paying £2000 to have tattoos put on their heads to make it look like they have hair. He could understand why a girl/guy with thinning hair would want to have some temporary dots tattooed onto their heads to give a temporary thickening effect. But to have it done permanently he was laughing beyond belief.

My friend is very strict to whom he gives tattoos too. Anyone who looks under 25, he will request to see their passport. He is not a charlatan and that is why he would never tattoo someones head.
He has a Tattoo parlour in our local town (population approx 80000) his work is mainly through word of mouth, his parlour is on a side street. Not a regular street passers by walk down.
But people go to him because he is good. He can not hide from his work as he is well known locally and if he does bad work, he can not hide from his results. It would'nt be difficult for unhappy customers to find out where he lives and where his kids go to School.

Which brings me to an interesting point. Tattooists doing SMP in Clinics are not known locally. They typically work for Clinics that are a distance from where they live. Customers having SMP done will not know their SMP tatooist personally, they will not share the same social circle and they will not know their ethics. Tattooists are Artists who charge a reasonable price for a tattoo of the customers choice, for anyone whom is considering SMP walk into 3 or 4 local Tatoo Parlours that are well established and have been trading for years locally. See how many of them laugh at you when you tell them that you are willing to travel abroad and pay £2000 to have permanent dots tattooed onto your head. Then ask for their personal opinion when they start taking you seriously.

The scary thing with this SMP, TC is that if these Clinics start advertising SMP in magazines and on television. Clinics dealing only with SMP will start springing up all over the world and we all know what will happen then.

Before i finish there is a hair transplant Surgeon in Belgium called Dr De Reys. Dr De Reys does hair transplants in his own house. That is confidence in your ability every customer knows where you live. The ethics of this guy are in very high regard. (im not advetising this guy, this is only an example).
How many Tattooists painting dots onto peoples heads would be willing to tell their customers where you live (you will never see a head painter working out of his own house). I bet most head painters are painting peoples heads in a Country where they were not born.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Thank you Coopman great comments..................and funny you should mention DeReys..........somebody asked me about him about a year ago and my comment was that anyone that works out of his own house with his wife does speak volumes.........it's a huge plus in his favor because it says something about how he feels about his work.

And at the other end of the spectrum I spoke to a patient that had the opportunity to meet a different doctor, one that performed poor work on him along with giving him bad advice as he was at a local gathering. When the doctor heard the patient was there he immediately left.............of course I cannot mention the name of the doctor but it also speaks volumes.


 
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topccat29

29 year HT veteran
The difference the way I understand it is that permanent tattoo ink tends to stay where it is placed with a small amount of migration to the lymph nodes which in fact probably makes it safer then temporary ink. Temporary ink that disappears does in fact disappear. It disappears into the lymph system and builds up in the nodes so that is not really disappearing..................just out of sight.

Sometimes selling something comes down to the way it is presented. If I tell you something just disappears it sounds very appealing €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦poof €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.gone no worries mate. But if I tell you it disappears and builds up as black gook in your lymph nodes increasing your risk of lymphatic cancer then all of a sudden it €™s not so appealing. But sometimes people tend to leave very important information out in order to sell something €¦ €¦ €¦I have been around this industry as an outsider for about 30 years now. That is the way many operate so you better educate yourself and do not depend on someone selling something to always do it for you.

Why would someone add tattooing to their surgical offering. It €™s called increasing revenue generation. How about adding lottery tickets and liquor with the purchase and maybe ask if they would like to supersize it. At some point it does look ridiculous to some patients.

In my opinion you do not want to have to deal with an Oncologist. If you think hair transplantation is scary €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..the cancer industry has it beat by 100 fold. You will never be able to prove your lymphatic cancer is a result of ink build up in body. You do not have enough money or years in your life to do it.

Ink does not just disappear €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.so please stop making this statement as it is completely false and very, very deceptive.

The smaller the particle size injected under the skin the greater the chance that particle will migrate into the lymph nodes. If you still choose this route that's fine but you should at least be given the information in a way that makes sense. Doctors should inject their own kids and if they don't get cancer then maybe it's okay or they got lucky.

Anything can be presented in a way that is either appealing or not so much so. I would describe this as a tumor. If the tumor stays in one spot and you don €™t mess with it chances are everything will be okay. It €™s when a person goes in for a biopsy or the tumor starts to move throughout the body as it disappears that the really big problems begin exactly the opposite of what you would want. I guess I wouldn't make a very good salesman.


When they were doing the nuclear bomb testing here they told the guys to just duck and cover your heads with your hands €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦not sure if that worked but that might solve any issues €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..of course I €™m being sarcastic but that is how things sometimes work. Sure go ahead and install the asbestos flakes it €™s all good €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦it all takes years and those guys counting the cash have moved on to something else. You are now alone €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦so deal with it.

Over 10 years ago some of these same doctors were recommending patients slather Rogaine all over their body to build up some robust donor and resealing the extractions sites with bald tissue taken from the recipient sites. Yeah sure it all sounds very peachy when it's the other guy. Just because someone sports a white coat does not make them an authority on anything..................you earn that by what you do.


International seminars in surgical oncology : ISSO
The fact that a tattoo causes lymphadenopathy is well known in the acute phase due to local inflammation and probably resolves spontaneously. The natural history of tattoo is well documented. The tattoo ink particles may range from 2 €“400 nm and are most commonly 40 nm. They are initially found within large phagosomes in the cytoplasm of keratinocytes, phagocytic cells including fibroblasts, macrophages and mast cells. The skin layers initially appear homogenised but at one month, the basement membrane is reforming and aggregates are present within basal cells. At 2 €“3 months and at 40 years, ink particles are only found in dermal fibroblasts surrounded by a network of connective tissue that entraps and immobilises the cell. The tattoo may appear blurred with time due to ink movement into the deep dermis. Eventually the tattoo ink appears in the regional lymph nodes.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
You can take any industry that has caused harm in the past and watch them defend themselves along the way. It €™s a natural response until the gig is up. Regardless of it €™s tobacco, asbestos, liquid silicone implants, aspartame, etc, etc, etc.

Some quotes from the tobacco industry over the years but regardless of the industry it always works the same way. Be very professional, state any concerns and deny, deny, deny.

Understand information systems and how they are used to present image.

WE ARE CAUTIOUS
The image conveyed is that industry leaders are concerned professionals cautiously studying the issues. They will not let hysteria or public opinion sway or cloud their judgement. "We also believe that until scientific research can establish what actually causes the diseases with which smoking has been statistically associated, it would be unfair to advocate any law prohibiting the sale of cigarettes" (RJ Reynolds, 1987). Until these executives receive proof of the ill effects of their product they will continue as before. It is never stated, but the indications are that they operate from a classic American jurisprudence idea of 'innocent until proven guilty' view.
In spite of this open position we do see the industry avoiding some of the health issues. For example, "Tobacco Abstracts" a trade publication which offers relevant citations and abstracts to world literature on nicotiana dropped the section titled "Health" beginning with the October 1967 issue. The announcement was as follows: "(NOTE: Health section will be omitted from now on.)" No further information was offered.

PROOF NEEDED
The caution shown by industry leaders makes the definition of the word "proof" crucially important. 'Proof' is the only valid basis of decision making accepted by these industry leaders. "Scientists have not proven that cigarette smoke or any of the thousands of its constituents as found in cigarette smoke cause human disease" (Tobacco Institute, 1979, p2).
Causal relationships do no more than give credence to one of several possible theories. "A hypothesis concerning the cause of disease remains merely a hypothesis until and unless conclusive laboratory and clinical proof can be found. The burden of proof must rest with those who advance the hypothesis" (Tobacco Industry, 1978, p14).
I wrote the leaders of the industry asking for a definition of proof. I was eventually told to consult a dictionary. If this is the definition that is used by the industry this is critical information since it runs in conflict with the very clear and specific definition created and defined by the authors of the 1964 Report to the Surgeon General -- and still used.
Based upon the apparent definition of cause or proof none of the 40,000 or so research studies on the tobacco and ill health link live up to the stringent requirements of industry leaders.
Statistical results are ignored as being mere numbers. They hold the position that statistics 'prove' nothing. "Smoking is a leading cause of statistics," claim those in the industry (Blair, 1979, p32). However, when it suits the argument the industry will turn to statistics.

MORE QUOTES AND EXAMPLES NEEDED
SPONSORED MEDICAL RESEARCH
The tobacco industries have offered millions of dollars to research personnel exploring various issues. The specified range of topics for these studies is interesting: genetic differences between smokers and non-smokers, personality traits of smoker s, immunologic factor in cancer, general studies on heart diseases, lung defense mechanisms and on smoking and other behavioral factors in heart diseases (Tobacco Institute, 1986). This list of topics is vague and incomplete, but does illustrate several foci of their interest. Look to behavioral factors other than tobacco use, personality traits, genetics and the immune system of an individual. Much of this, as we shall see later aims to blame the victim of illness for their own illness. One such conclusion would be: tobacco is not the problem, it is the weak immune system of certain individuals. Much of this research could lead to conclusions removing tobacco from the focus of public and legislative activity.
The industry is conducting research, yes, but it is not examining the same topics as those sponsored by the government or health groups.
The American Journal of Public Health, and others, reported upon this slant.........
 
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topccat29

29 year HT veteran
I can sit here and give you dozens of examples of crap that was tried on patients and over time it turned out to be exactly what it was complete crap. The crap just goes away and the patients now have to deal with it themselves. Then a new batch of guys come along and are offered something new which may very well turn out to be crap and you deal with it alone €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..remember that just you alone now need to figure it out.

Here this was big ten years ago. Donor sealing €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..yeah sure sounded good. Very professionally done with research papers and everything €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦these guys can sit here and sound as professional and as scientific as they want but I know most of what they are trying to sell you is complete crap.

Donor sealing from about 10 years ago €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.this patient is on his own and needs to figure it out €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..it is now his problem there is no recourse.



 
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topccat29

29 year HT veteran
What €™s most bothersome about this industry is the persistent omission of critical information when marketing. If you are in the business and you use a forum you are marketing. Tattoo ink doesn €™t simply disappear but it enters the lymph system. Studies show that often times the ink builds up in the lymph nodes. What in fact makes permanent ink better just on a safety basis is that the particles are usually larger and deeper and are less likely to migrate. The negatives of course is that it will definitely look like crap in a few years. That €™s not an if but only a when. So when you market the disappearing ink hair tattoo please explain to the patient where the ink goes I €™m sure they would like to know.

This is no different than any other type of procedure €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦disclose all the information and not just some of it. If you are in the States you are required by law to include this information. Sure I can understand prospective patients might get cold feet when they hear lymph system but at least give them a chance to make an informed decision. Then they can €™t come back here and whine about this doctor did this to me or that to me. They now have the information and they can own it themselves.
 
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topccat29

29 year HT veteran
When someone who works in the tattooing business states they just want to share the SMP love they are telling you something. They are telling you not to listen to an opposing view as those are just haters as opposed to those spreading the love. Personally it strikes me as person with very low intelligence as that is the best they can do.

Yeah sure €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.gimme some of that tattoo love €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..here €™s the thing €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..I think reputable and ethical HT clinics will distance themselves from this bunch and that includes the forums. Just my opinion €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦it €™s like trying to sell high end quality merchandise at a flea market.
 
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topccat29

29 year HT veteran
You see when you have a rep talking about sharing the love it €™s no different to me then that Canadian HT rep that not only failed to update his own result but posted about his escapades and banging some chick over the weekend and she was cool with the hair transplant even told her friends.

It tells you something about the mentality if you are in fact paying attention and not just looking at pictures. These guys want the lifestyle €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.living large and rollin high style be smarter than the tattoo guy €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.find out who he is first and what he is all about.
 
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