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tech593

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I just had SMP done and I am concerned that my scalp is blue and it doesn't look like some of the good work I've seen on line. It looks like big dots, it looks like blackheads all over my scalp!! The artist says I need to have faith in the process and get the 2nd & 3rd session for density but I don't want to continue this process if it looks like this! I have attached photos of my scalp, please advise me of your opinion... Should I continue the process or get it lasered off! PLEASE help
 

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SMP

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I`m no expert on this as I`m still researching but from the results I`ve viewed online the dots you have appear to be on the large side and your hair line is straight across. Which clinic did this? I assume its permanent as you say you may have it lasered off; Right?


 
SMPLooks

SMPLooks

Member
DO NOT RETURN TO THIS SMP PLACE! That is terrible work that will only get worse. Sorry to say but your only option is to get laser removal at this point. What clinic did this to you?
 
SMPLooks

SMPLooks

Member
Sorry to see you go through this. Show some examples of proper SMP work to your practitioner and demand they stop until they have proper equipment and technique. Also demand your money back.
Here is a closeup of a hairline I created with temporary SMP pigments. The key to successful SMP is tiny dot size and creating a soft, natural hairline. I achieve this by using highly specialized equipment and pigments, and by varying the density and designing a jagged hairline. Also my pigments are 100% temporary so you never need to worry about having anything lasered off.

Best of luck and let us know how this all turns out for you....
 

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tech593

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Thanks for replies. I would appreciate many more as I think I need to present this to the artist at Scalp Aesthetics. He strongly believes I need more density for the procedure to look realistic.
I would like my money back to find a reputable clinic to laser and repair, and stop hiding under a hat that I have never worn prior to this life changing procedure gone bad.
Thank You all as your input will surely help the artist reevaluate his procedure techniques.[):h::
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
How long has it been since the initial procedure?


Sometimes the best answer is to do nothing and just wait. Maybe it will start to fade and the longer you can wait the more information you can gather. Many repair patients end up making decisions that sometimes turn a bad situation worse simply out of desperation. Sometimes gathering enough good information takes time. I know it completely sucks but it might be in your best interest to hold off as long as possible or at least consider that option.

Good luck to you. I hope you can fix it.

You should go to the his hair forum. There might be more information available. I have read several threads there where the dots were very large but then seemed to calm down a little. Not sure if they have a search button or you might need to just start skimming the pages.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
I will make a suggestion to you that might seem to those in the hair loss industry especially the old guard out of place. It seems much of what I have to say hits a nerve and makes the hair on the back of their neck stand up. It €™s like too much truth winds them up but this is for your benefit and not for their benefit.

Some of the reading I have done in the past covered a small area on the subject of phantom hand pain. I would suggest maybe researching it as some of the therapy that actually works is using a special mirror and box where a patient places the arm of their amputated limb in a box and now sees a hand. It kind of plays a trick on the brain and starts to rewire it in a way. You will have to read up on it for more detail as I'm just giving a general description here.

The point I €™m trying to make here is wear a hat as much as possible and try not to obsess by looking in the mirror otherwise you start to rewire the brain in the wrong direction. Many young guys with hair loss do that to themselves unknowingly by constantly looking in the mirror...........they are actually rewiring their brain and it makes their situation worse.


You want to stay in a place where you can take as much time as you need without making a hasty decision. The more information you gather over time the safer you will be moving forward. Please take a look at my Pantone Chart thread you might find it useful...........you need to be careful. There are good people out there but you absolutely need to be careful.

Most importantly life is not over and you will find a solution and you will get past this. You just need to take your time.
 
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Bigmac

Bigmac

Administrator
Staff member
Hi Tech593,

Welcome to the forum.

Looking at your pictures it does not look natural, I`m not sure what they can do to make it look more natural. As Topccat says maybe take your time before deciding on your next move, contact a few clinics and ask what they think your best options are.

Hope you can sorted out.

All the best.

Bm.
 
Prohairclinic

Prohairclinic

Prohairclinic FUE and SMP
Sorry to see this is still being offered.

Again, SMP is not a modified permanent make up, nor a tattoo.

SMPlooks and our clinic are both using the same technique which originates from Milena Lardi of Beauty Medical in Milan. The results we offer look way different, like the soft and beautyfull hairline SMPclinic posted.

The pictures show a sub par result, most likely by an unexperienced practisionor or just using non SMP needles, pigments ....

I would suggest to leave it alone for a couple of months for the pigments to settle. Then you probably are looking at a laser treatment to remove the pigments.
 
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Vinci Hair Clinic

Valued member
Hi tech593,

The good advice and support you have been given is do not panic, take a little time and don ´t rush in.

It is not something, as with most hair transplants that can be repaired as such, adding more pigmentation is not going to be the answer, unlike adding more hair can greatly improve a hair transplant result.

The fundamental problems, colours, hair line design, application of the pigment are wrong, research picosure laser treatment, it is an effective laser treatment for the removal of SMP, it may take a couple of sessions, maybe one dependent on the intensity of the pigmentation.

Good luck and best wishes
 
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SMP

Member
Which location of Scalp Aesthetics performed this? I will be scrubbing them from my research list.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Worried €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦social psychologist Vladas Griskevicus found that when using internet forum chat rooms if one is under threat the group shows signs of sticking together. Their views tend to converge and conform under an outside threat similar to when an animal is threatened by a predator. It tends to huddle closer to the herd. Be sure to gather opinions outside of the forums too and I would suggest bringing a person you can trust along with you on any consultations for an objective opinion.

Phillip Zimbardo describes it a different way in his book €œThe Lucifer Effect €. If you have ever lived in a bad neighborhood infested with gangs you would know that sometimes those that live in the neighborhood have no choice but to join the gang in order to survive. They try to remain true to any principles that might have but slowly the gang mentality tends to take hold and over time resistance becomes harder and harder. Some though are able to not join the gang and still survive but it is certainly not easy and often a lonely road for them. Often times this would be an appropriate way to describe what goes on in the hair loss industry. It €™s a principle one must absolutely understand and not dismiss. Many start out entering the business with good intentions but fall into the trap of those who they need to work with and instead of leading they find it easier to just follow. It becomes hard to figure out who the good guys are............go slow.

It is critical in my opinion for you to confide in someone close to you who will help you through all of this and it €™s also better for your mental health. They in turn will be in your corner helping and hoping you can overcome this obstacle. Yes it might be embarrassing but only a moment in time and your goal should be for the greater good which is to help you make a better decision moving forward. This type of support is priceless.

It is the only way you can overcome €œThe Lucifer Principle € as it applies to the hair loss industry. Have good people that you know or have known for a long time helping advise you.

I am in the middle of writing a book and this only covers a few of the topics I touch on and I feel it's important to post them now as it seems to be needed.
 
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Vinci Hair Clinic

Valued member
Hi tech593,

Here is a link to the picosure if you want to take a look, it ´s probably the most effective treatment for SMP removal: http://picosure.com/

Again, best of luck to you.
 
Nicole007

Nicole007

Valued member
First, I am so sorry this happened. It looks as if the pigment was placed to deeply. It may fade some as your epidermal layer turns over. But, I am more concerned that the pigment that was placed into your dermal layer was placed too deep and may spread further or change color.

DO NOT add more pigment.

I would first call scalp aesthetics and talk to your technician and express that you have concerns. Ask him what type of pigment he is using. This is going to make a huge difference when choosing a laser treatment and setting the course for that treatment. Specifically you want to know - is he using permanent makeup or tattoo ink?

If you would like to pm me I would be more than happy to help walk you through this. And, refer you to some awesome people who can fix you up properly. Either permanent or temporary. No bias.

Nicole
 
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tech593

Valued member
I thank you all for your input and support regarding my recent SMP.
I have spoken with the artist and asked Him to view the forum post responses with an open mind.
He is adamant that I should " trust the process" and receive additional treatments to add density.
He has also sent me pictures of recent clients, whose smp looks great.
My argument is when zoomed in close, his simulated follicles appear realistic and uniform . While mine appear large, dark and irregular as well as strong blue tint.
Today was the first time anyone other then my immediate family saw my procedure.
It was horrible. At a marketing meeting I was asked to remove my newly acquired ball cap.
The result was less then indistinguishable. I proclaimed I had had a procedure done, and asked to excuse me and allow me to wear the cap.
I miss my bald melon. Never thought I would say it. There are worse things then being bald.
I choose not to disclose the location or Artist that performed my SMP out of respect as I truly believe he is a caring and genuine individual whom has undergone bad follicle replacement in his past.
He also now has SMP that looks great.
Hopefully he comes to terms in his own mind, that my procedure cannot be resolved with more pigmentation.
I would like a refund of the Cash he asked for, so I can seek the laser removal needed to get some semblance of a scalp back .
I have the feeling this is going to be a long road to recovery.
I was never an extremely vain person. I just watched so many Scalp Aesthetics videos on you tube, and wanted to improve my quality of life.
Again Thank you all for your posts and empathy. It helps...
 
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Vinci Hair Clinic

Valued member
tech 593,
That is a very real testimonial of your experience; and what you should expect as a result. I am sure you have many minds right now, you do not want to believe you have made a mistake, you want to trust in your initial decision.

There are less SMP bad results on this forum compared to hair transplant results BUT that doesn ´t shouldn ´t matter to you, because it happened to you.
I hope you get closure, you have every right to not mention the location, just look after yourself.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Tech take the time to watch the 2 videos I have listed in the Pantone Chart thread additionally check out Zimbardo €™s site on the €œLucifer Effect € so you can understand what you are dealing with as it represents a good majority of the hairloss industry. Not everyone but a good majority. It €™s not all you need to know but it certainly is a good start.

Some additional thoughts when gathering information if at all possible try to meet people in person preferably in their home. People tend to be honest when you know where they can be found. Something else I have noticed over the years, the most reckless guys advising in this business are those that are younger, not married and/or do not have children and there is a very good reason. They seem to worry less about what they do. I have been watching this industry and the players for a very long time and I tend to pick up on the small cues. I give out my address freely to those that want to meet and with can discuss the topic like men. Many of the guys in this industry are in fact not men by weasely little guys that prey on others and you will not be able to meet those guys in their home €¦ €¦ €¦.it €™s a sign so those researching should not brush it off.

For example one representative has been much more careful about what he does because in fact he now has children. Sometimes that is how it works. People tend to worry about what might happen to them or their family if they are not really being honest most especially when it could potentially cause another harm that is not easily forgotten. The slicker these guys are and the more they try to work being suave the more one needs to be aware.

Look out for those in the industry that attack patients/posters. These are usually the guys with something to hide. If it were up to them their message would be the only message. The fact is good people just do good things in this industry and eventually it gets noticed. They don €™t have anything to hide so that particular tactic is not necessary.

Watch out for guys that have all types of endorsements that are from media outlets. This is just to create buzz and create social proof for you and an easy trap to fall into and most younger guys do. All part of marketing and it works.

Thank you for coming forward as most guys especially with hair transplantation cannot. They are stuck in a box where if they say too much they fear not being able to have whatever was done to them corrected. Your story about the marketing meeting is the real world. Young guys simply don €™t think about it as it becomes easy to get caught up in the cult like atmosphere a forum can sometimes create. They can easily miss out on a lot of life from one bad decision so they better take this all very seriously.

I also believe that this is just an experience for you and that one day you will look back on it and laugh. You will say to yourself OMG what was I thinking and hopefully you can use that experience to help guide someone else in life in the right direction. Doesn €™t have to be hair related but maybe something else where you think maybe they might be making a bad decision. Instead of remaining silent you will speak up and try to help them choose better. Maybe in fact that is why you are having this experience to help someone else in the future.

Wishing you get back to comfortable again in time.
 
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