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How to lower cholesterol without meds

bullitnut

bullitnut

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I know this sounds like i'm dropping to bits lol, but as well as low Vit d levels i also have high levels of cholesterol and have no idea how to lower it with my diet. I have started using the flora pro active spreads and the yoghurt drinks but don't know what else to do and don't really want to use meds if possible.
 
Bigmac

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It's the same type of foods that always come up, vegetables, preferably raw and fresh. Nuts and oily fish like Mackerel. Basically you need to try to stop eating all the processed food, pastry's, biscuits etc, everything that tastes good.
 
sl

sl

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Lemon juice will give a lot of benefits but rinse teeth after with water and no scrubbing them for a while as can effect enamel but a great cleanser with many health benefits and will apparently help cholesterol.
 
bullitnut

bullitnut

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Thanks guys, the lemon juice option is intriguing....not sure I can hack the taste but I'll give it a go
 
bullitnut

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Bigmac Basically you need to try to stop eating all the processed food, pastry's, biscuits etc, everything that tastes good.



Grrrrrrr life sucks lol
 
Bigmac

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The food industry put additives etc in the food which become addictive, as SL says Lemon juice, you can dilute it down with water as it's a good natural cleanser too.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
You might have to take the plunge and go on meds....................although it might be better to do more research...............hopefully you will meet someone or read something that will make the difference in your choice for the better.............and then you in turn can pass that on to another ;)
 
sl

sl

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Yes dilute it with water and wash mouth with water after to protect tooth enamel and don't brush teeth for a good 30 minutes after.


The rind also has good benefits if you wish to eat it but make sure non waxed and organic if possible.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

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Sometimes I will eat 20+ eggs in a day sometimes maybe just a dozen. I like them in a shake form €¦ €¦ €¦.very tasty. I have been consuming high amounts of cholesterol for years so it €™s not something I just started doing €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.I have been testing my speed on the 100M sprint and I think Bolt should be worried €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦lol €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.if you do enough reading and you understand what is happening and why it is happening then your irrational fear of cholesterol will disappear.

I see a lot of sick dying people around me that are my age €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.and they are not eating cholesterol. Here is a simple article I found online posted below and maybe just a start for you. When it comes to arterial health it really is more about inflammation and not cholesterol. Cholesterol is a response to inflammation doing what it is meant to do. There are some biotechs that are working with MABS to reduce inflammation specifically homocyteine and c-reative protein levels but until some money makers come out you will keep hearing about statins. Just the way it works €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦no different than hair transplantation lots of people preaching but much of it can be considered untruthful because there is a tremendous amount of money on the line.

Sometimes people are just not very bright and much of that is just conditioning. The example of clogged plumbing pipes with fat often used is very believable. Anyone that has ever worked on plumbing or has cleaned out a catch basin can attest to that €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.but the body does not work that way €¦ €¦.. the example does not apply. A better example would be to constantly rub and area of skin until a callous formed, then proceed to look for medication to treat the callous. The callous is formed for a reason to protect the body the answer is to stop rubbing the skin €¦ €¦..stop the inflammation.



Here are six things that we need to know about cholesterol:
i) It is virtually impossible to explain how vital cholesterol is to the human body. If you had no cholesterol in your body you would be dead. No cells, no bone structure, no muscles, no hormones, no sex, no reproductive system, no digestion, no brain function, no memory, no nerve endings, no movement, no human life €“ nothing without cholesterol. It is utterly vital and we die instantly without it.
ii) Cholesterol is so vital to the body that our bodies make it. The body cannot risk leaving it to chance that we would get it externally from food or some other external factor €“ that €™s how critical it is.
iii) There is no such thing as good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. Cholesterol is cholesterol. The chemical formula for cholesterol is C27H46O. There is no good version or bad version of this formula.HDL is not even cholesterol, let alone good. LDL is not even cholesterol, let alone bad. HDL stands for High Density Lipoprotein. LDL stands for Low Density Lipoprotein. (There are three other lipoproteins, by the way, chylomicrons, VLDL and IDL).
Fat and cholesterol are not water soluble so they need to be carried around the body in something to do their vital work. The carriers of such substances are called lipoproteins. We can think of lipoproteins as tiny €˜taxi cabs €™ travelling round the blood stream acting as transporters. So, lipoproteins are carriers of cholesterol €“ oh €“ and triglyceride and phospholipids and protein. All lipoproteins carry all of these substances €“ just in different proportions. LDL would more accurately be called the carrier of fresh cholesterol and HDL would more accurately be called the carrier of recycled cholesterol.
iv) The standard blood cholesterol test does not measure LDL €“ it estimates it. The fasting blood cholesterol test can only measure total cholesterol and HDL. There are two other unknowns in a four variable equation €“ LDL and VLDL. The estimation is refined further using the Friedewald equation (named after William Friedewald, who developed it).
Total cholesterol = LDL + HDL + VLDL/5 (Ref 8)
As any mathematician will tell you, one equation, with four variables, only two of which can be measured, is a fat lot of good. We need at least one more equation or known variable, to avoid circular references. This also means that:
- All other things being equal, LDL will rise if a) total cholesterol rises and/or b) if HDL falls and/or if c) VLDL falls.
- All other things being equal, LDL will fall if a) total cholesterol falls and/or b) if HDL rises and/or if c) VLDL rises.
No wonder an inverse association is observed between LDL and HDL €“ it is by definition. More surprising is that a fall in VLDL (triglycerides), which would be welcomed by doctors, would be accompanied by an automatic increase in LDL, all other things being equal, which would not be welcomed by doctors. And you thought that this was scientific.
v) Statins stop the body from producing the cholesterol that it is designed to produce. They literally stop one of our fundamental body processes from being able to function. The intelligent view on statins is that in the very limited arena where they appear to have some €˜benefit €™ (men over 50 who have already had a heart attack), they €˜work €™ by having anti-inflammatory properties and that the fact that they lower cholesterol (by stopping the body from being able to produce this vital substance) is a very unfortunate side effect. (Drug companies should work on developing something that has the anti-inflammatory benefit without this huge and damaging side effect €“ it €™s called aspirin).
One in 500 people have familial hypercholesterolemia and may have a problem clearing cholesterol in their body (rather like type 1 diabetics who can €™t return their blood glucose levels to normal). For anyone else to be actively trying to lower their vital and life affirming cholesterol levels is deeply troubling.
vi) €œCholesterol in food has no impact on cholesterol in the blood and we €™ve known that all along. € Ancel Keys.
Ancel Keys, the same man who did the brilliant Minnesota starvation experiment, spent the 1950 €™s trying to show that cholesterol in food was associated with cholesterol in the blood. He concluded unequivocally that there was not even an association, let alone a causation. He never deviated from this view.
Cholesterol is only found in animal foods (it is a vital substance for every living creature). Hence the only foods that Keys could add to human diets, to test the impact of cholesterol, were animal foods. Given that he concluded that eating animal foods had no impact on blood cholesterol levels, it follows that animal foods per se have no impact on blood cholesterol levels (not that high cholesterol is a problem €“ quite the contrary €“ but that €™s another story).
There is no need, whatsoever, to avoid liver, red meat, other meat, fish, eggs, dairy products etc for any cholesterol that they may contain, or for any other reason.
The body makes cholesterol. I worry about a number of things, but I don €™t worry that my body is trying to kill me.
Ref 8: EH Mangiapane, AM Salter, Diet, Lipoproteins and Coronary Heart Disease: A Biochemical Perspective, Nottingham University Press, (1999).







 
bullitnut

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Wow that's given me food for thought dude thanks I appreciate you taking the time to post this Topcat
 
Bigmac

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How are you getting on with lowering the Cholesterol?
 
topccat29

topccat29

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Bulitnut I added a lot more butter to my diet then usual as I switching the macronutrient profile just slightly raising the fats somewhat. Raw pastured butter €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦no hormones or antibiotics.

I don €™t want to bad mouth that spread you mentioned and come off a being negative €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..but between me and you it is pure crap. It does generate a lot of revenue so the marketing dollars can be spent €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..but that doesn €™t necessarily mean the information is good.

Any seed oil that has been pressed is rancid, that is why it needs to be deodorized. But not only that polyunsaturated fats are highly unstable when removed from the seed so they create a lot of inflammation in the body which creates a burden as the body needs to produce more cholesterol to deal with the situation, kind of the opposite of what you are trying to accomplish. Not that cholesterol is a bad thing but when it €™s needed for constant arterial inflammation well then not so much.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Bulitnut here is the thing with health information. It can all be kind of confusing the same as hair transplantation. Those that are making the most money would like you to believe what they are saying as they would like to keep making that money. The guys that aren €™t making the money end up having very small voices so usually those making the money win out and keep filling their pockets.


The only problem with the health issue is very often the consequences are dire compared to ht. I €™m not saying bad information regarding hairloss should be taken lightly but the health information can sometimes be a matter of life and death or a disabling disease. This is why sometimes regardless of wanting to keep everything on an upbeat note it is the wrong thing to do €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..we sometimes have to take that chance and warn others and not just go along to get along.


I €™m telling you that spread is crap €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.now go and do some research. May you experience robust health................and may you in turn help others along the way.

 
bullitnut

bullitnut

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Thanks for the advice Topcat, I believe what you are saying and the fact that these spreads are nearly twice the amount as regular ones just highlights the fact that at it's all about the revenue IMO.
Big Mac I am just trying to eat a more healthy diet rather than eating takeaways and ready meals so much. I am actually loving eating better and whether it's good for cholesterol or not I've fallen in love with broccoli and fish.
 
bullitnut

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On a side note I've starting getting my eggs fresh from a neighbour who keeps chickens at home and I have them for breakfast now boiled as opposed to on a butty with sausages and bacon lol.
 
Bigmac

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It's tough trying to eat healthy here in the UK as healthy fresh food is priced at a premium.
Good that you are implementing changes to your diet though.
 
bullitnut

bullitnut

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Bigmac wrote:
It's tough trying to eat healthy here in the UK as healthy fresh food is priced at a premium.
Good that you are implementing changes to your diet though.
Thanks BM, out of curiosity are healthy food options generally more expensive in the US and other European countries too?
 
G

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You need to focus on rich food items, just you can eat whatever are easily available to eat you at your living space rather than food supplements.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Bulitnut I made some beef tallow today using fat from the carcass of a grass fed cow. Chopped it up and let it sit in the slow cooker for about 8 hours. This fat is very high in stearic acid which is the preferred choice for the heart and in fact why the heart is surrounded by saturated fat. Saturated fat raises testosterone levels, raises HDL levels and reduces LDL particle size all beneficial to one €™s health.

Not only that but saturated fat if very stable as compared to the fat found in processed foods even the fats that have replaced the hydrogenated crap. In fact they are even more toxic the public just doesn €™t know as it doesn €™t seem to be important for them until they get the cancer and even then they seem to be helpless.

You should give this a try €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦very easy to do and very inexpensive. High in vitamin A, D, K and conjugated linoleic acid.

I read a really good article on fear based marketing. I have done quite a bit of reading on the subject in the past so it was all very familiar. Here is just a small blurb from that same article on the subject of cholesterol.

Consumers remember basically one thing and one thing only" €“ so make sure that thing is scary'Bob Ehrlich helped launch the bestselling drug of all time: lipitor, a powerful statin used to treat high cholesterol. The reality of heart disease and stroke is that they have multiple, complex causes, but many of us believe cholesterol is the only one that counts.
So how did cholesterol get the rap? Because the drugs industry had developed drugs €¦ that lowered cholesterol. And boy, they needed to sell them somehow.
"It's an interesting problem we had, which was we couldn't say lipitor prevents heart attacks," says Ehrlich. "So we decided to focus on what we could focus on, which was we're the best at lowering cholesterol. And we went out and advertised that."
A committee of the National Institutes of Health in the US subsequently lowered the threshold at which cholesterol was considered too high. Six of the seven committee doctors who made that key decision had financial ties to Pfizer €“ who made lipitor.
Of course, fear of risk is actually the bestselling tool of all: it is the basis of the entire insurance industry, whose profit base is predicated on the fact that fear is a very real emotion selling the product, but the statistical probability of anything actually happening, well, that is infinitesimal. Fear through risk sells us a product we don't even use. Genius.














 
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