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Permanent or temporary SMP

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SMP

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Still researching and came across this article.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2099259/Would-pay-2-000-head-tattoo-Celebrity-stylist-launches-new-technique-disguise-mens-hair-loss.html
 
bullitnut

bullitnut

4 awesome repairs with SMG
I personally like a lot of the recent HIS results and think they are now doing some good natural looking work, but if I'm totally honest I don't really care for some of their earlier stuff.....and I hate the defined hairlines that some clients request. They do seem to have a lot of happy customers which is a good thing.
 
Nicole007

Nicole007

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SMP wrote:

I don't think we should pit permanent SMP and temporary SMP against each other as much as we should applaud that now two extraordinary treatments are available for patients to choose from. I see temporary SMP as an advancement in the overall understanding of the SMP procedure itself, and, I also think It shows the progress we are making overall in understanding pigment stability, depth control and placement, SMP design technique, and patient needs.
The fact is, that each procedure has it's own sets of advantages and disadvantages, as well as, it's own personality of patient bases. While Permanent SMP is a great procedure it is not for everyone. At least, not to begin with. The main advantages of temporary SMP lay in the fact that it will fade eventually and it gives people a chance to get their "feet wet" so to speak. Issues like low hairlines, straight hairlines, even color change are not permanent SMP specific. They can affect both modalities of treatment.
Whether you prefer permanent SMP or temporary SMP choosing a technician who understands hair loss progression and SMP design technique are still by far more valuable in a satisfactory long term result than temp vs. perm.
It should also be noted that while some companies require shaving of the head for their SMP procedure as part of their treatment protocol it is not a "rule". SMP can also be a great tool in augmenting transplants to add more density, or simply just cutting the scalp skin to hair contrast for patients with only minor thinning (perhaps below a norwood 4). Perhaps, in an this instance like this an argument exists that temp is a better option for you because your hair loss is not stabilized. But it's only really an opportunity to just showcase an example of one procedure's benefits outweighing the other. Perm practioners might argue that they are able to provide a darker more noticeable result...
Options, gotta love them!

 
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SMP

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Thanks Nicole for your opinion, may I ask what gives the temp version its colour?
 
Nicole007

Nicole007

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The pigments used in Tricopigmentation (temporary SMP) are different from the pigments or inks used in both permanent makeup and traditional tattooing. The difference in the pigments are mainly seen by difference in particle sizes. Tricopigmentation pigment particles are 15 microns and are all perfectly round in shape. These particles are small enough that they can be eaten and dispelled by the body's defense cell system. Permanent cosmetic pigments have 20+ microns of various shapes and traditional tattoo Ink 30+ also variously shaped. Chemically they seem to have a fairly close resemblance to permanent cosmetic pigments in that the color is formed is from both organic synthetic and inorganic dyes, metal powders and carriers. The metal powders are iron oxides (red, black and yellow) and titanium dioxide (white). Mixtures of these obtain different colors.
 
Prohairclinic

Prohairclinic

Prohairclinic FUE and SMP
Excellent Answer Nicole,
I would like to add that many permanent versions contains heavy metals to keep the pigments in place.
Our version of Micro hair Pigmentation, Tricopigmentation (I assume same as Shaphiro) does not contain heavy metals.
 
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SMP

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Are the dyes all organic in the temporary version? Also once dispelled by the body's immune system where does the ink go?
 
Nicole007

Nicole007

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SMP wrote:
Are the dyes all organic in the temporary version? Also once dispelled by the body's immune system where does the ink go?
The pigments used in tricopigmentation are composed of metal powders (i.e: iron oxide, titanium dioxide) but they are "coated" and synthesized with a biocompatible membrane during a laboratory process called "micronization" so that the body will absorb them the same way it would an all organic pigment. Once the pigment is dispelled, it is most likely filtered by the liver and out the GI track.


 
SMPLooks

SMPLooks

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It's also important to note that the particles in Beauty Medical's pigments never actually come into contact with the body thanks to this biocompatible membrane, hence making it non-allergenic.
 
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SMP

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SMPLooks wrote:
It's also important to note that the particles in Beauty Medical's pigments never actually come into contact with the body thanks to this biocompatible membrane, hence making it non-allergenic.
Surely if the membrane is biocompatible once the bodys immune system dissolves this membrane then the iron oxides will be exposed to the body. If the body disposes these compounds via the GI track then they would show up via a faeces analysis.

Maybe Beauty Medical could pay for an independent study on this to alleviate genuine concerns on how these temporary pigments are dispersed safely by the body.

I for one would like to know every part of the process before I go ahead.


 
Nicole007

Nicole007

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SMP wrote:
SMPLooks wrote:
It's also important to note that the particles in Beauty Medical's pigments never actually come into contact with the body thanks to this biocompatible membrane, hence making it non-allergenic.
Surely if the membrane is biocompatible once the bodys immune system dissolves this membrane then the iron oxides will be exposed to the body. If the body disposes these compounds via the GI track then they would show up via a faeces analysis.

Maybe Beauty Medical could pay for an independent study on this to alleviate genuine concerns on how these temporary pigments are dispersed safely by the body.

I for one would like to know every part of the process before I go ahead.

I am headed to Italy in December to do some advanced training and follow-up with Milena. I have enjoyed all your questions and will discuss them with Milena. I agree with you that the more information we all have the better. Since temp SMP is a fairly new technique I realize that conflicting and somewhat confusing information has been posted over the last few years. It is our goal to change that and make all the information as clear, accurate, and transparent as possible. Keep your questions coming! They are clear and smart. Thank you!

 
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SMP

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Thank you Nicole, tattooing is an option for many if done correctly and any potential pitfalls are explained.
 
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james36

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Why do you claim that your pigments do not contain heavy metals when Milena's website say they do?

"The pigmenti is composed by a powder part and a liquid part. €“ powder part wich is iron oxide, titanium bioxide €“ liquid part wich is water, alcohol, isopropyl and glycerine (coming from soya)"
http://www.beautymedical.it/tricopigmentation-opinions/


 
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james36

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Prohair has been claiming no heavy metals. This is completely false.
Why do they continue to say they do not use heavy metals??
 
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JoeTillman

JoeTillman

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Hi James,

Iron oxide and titanium oxide are not heavy metals. When one speaks of "heavy metals" in tattoo they are usually referring to mercury which is primarily found in red tattoo inks. Other heavy metals in traditional tattoo ink can include lead, antimony, beryllium, chromium, cobalt, nickel and arsenic. These are not present in Beauty Medical pigments.

You can learn more about heavy metals here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_heavy_metal
 
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james36

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Prohair listed iron-oxide as a heavy metal.
why say there is no iron-oxide in the pigments when Milena's site says there are?


"Organic ink is used which is hypoallergenic but bio-degradable. The needles are ultra-thin and the pigments are only implanted in the outer layers of the skin. The natural pigments used by Prohairclinic do not include heavy metals such as lead, nickel or iron oxide"

 
JoeTillman

JoeTillman

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Prohair listed iron-oxide as a heavy metal. why say there is no iron-oxide in the pigments when Milena's site says there are?

Let us assume they were simply wrong. They are only presenting what they thought was true, however, while it is obviously a mistake there is nothing wrong with this. They were wrong about iron oxide being in the pigment but they were correct in stating there are no heavy metals in the pigment. Problem solved.












 
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james36

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No heavy metals in the pigment then. That's good.

 
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Nicole007

Nicole007

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james36 wrote:
No heavy metals in the pigment then. That's good.
The body will actually absorb iron oxide like it will absorb an iron supplement or vitamin. If you are low on iron or iron deficient your body will absorb it all immediately to fulfill this need causing rapid fading. Many people assume that pregnant women are not able to get permanent cosmetics or smp because of some sort of danger with the pigment but it is actually because they are in need of higher levels of iron so the body will absorb everything and they will not get a correct color result. Hope that makes sense.
 
Nervousnelly

Nervousnelly

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This is some great info. Thanks for all the posts!
 
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