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Still waiting for evidence that tricopigmentation fades completely...

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ZML88

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i have been closely following results on this forum and others of temporary SMPs. however, while the results are convincing, the assertion that the pigments fade over time is less so. i have seen dozens and dozens of patients' results immediately after their procedure, but no documentation of how the SMP looks after a lengthy period of time.

it seems absurd to me that there is so little evidence of how tricopigmentation pigments fade given that this is no longer a new procedure, and the main selling point of it is that it fades! there must be hundreds of men out there with whom this could have been documented. so why is this so difficult to find?

furthermore, most of the discourse on tricopigmentation is from those within the industry. there is a distinct lack of testimonials from patients who have had the procedure done. i know if i did, i would make sure to let all of you know how it was going

i really want to believe that this is the real deal, as it seems like the perfect procedure for me. but i cant trust it yet. please prove me wrong and send some pictures or links detailing how any given patient's tricopigmentation has faded. any help is much appreciated
 
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Coopman

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I have often thought exactly the same thing. There is a distinct lack of patient testimonials 1year-2years later. Hopefully they are enjoying the world with their temporary head tattoo.
My concern would be how it looks as it starts fading, or if one section of head starts fading prior to any other area.
 
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Vinci Hair Clinic

Valued member
Hi ZML88,

We posted a case some time ago and then updated him at 18 months post his first session, here's the link : HLE Post NW5 Micro Pigmentation

I will see if he can come in as he pops by periodically.

Our pigments can last 3-5 years or more before requiring any touch-ups, the fading is general with no obvious "patches" remaining, and when a touch-up is required it normally takes a couple of hours to bring the tone up to the desired contrast. It ´s uncommon a client will have to return significantly before this, and if so because the overall look has faded rather than any obvious or unnatural patterning of pigment.

I ´ll see if I can find any clients we treated 3 plus years ago to show the changes.
 
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ZML88

Member
Thanks for the reply, Vinci. But I was under the impression that you only provide permanent SMPs, such as the example you linked above. This post is regarding temporary SMPs (tricopigmentation) specifically
 
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Vinci Hair Clinic

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Ahh apologies ZML88, I did not pay full attention to you looking specifically for examples of temporary pigmentation. Maybe go back over the posts from Clinics 12 months plus and see if they can update the case, or maybe actual clients posted their result and could update.
 
bullitnut

bullitnut

4 awesome repairs with SMG
Didn't Dr Arvind have some work done on his arm to see how it faded as an experiment at some point?
 
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Coopman

Valued member
I recall Dr A doing a tricho test on his arm. It was still there a year later and did not appear to have faded in that timespan.

The only criticism I would have was that his test would not have taken into effect sunlight exposure due to the location of the test area. Maybe next time Dr A does a test he should put the test area on his forehead (joke)
 
Bigmac

Bigmac

Administrator
Staff member
It would be good to hear from patients 6-12 months after their sessions.
 
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Coopman

Valued member
Surely at least one temporary SMP practitioner can respond to this question?

The questions I would like to see answered are;-

1. Is it easier to laser off temp smp as opposed to permanent?
2. Photographic evidence of what it looks like in 12-18 post procedure?
3. When it starts to fade will the dark pigments turn blue/green?
4. What would a Practioner do if part of the head started fading prior to another part?

Lastly I still have never seen a temp SMP patient post their results 12months post procedure, that rings alarm bells to me and thats not good.Im not chomping at the bit here but ZML88 raises a very good question.
 
SMPLooks

SMPLooks

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Here is a client that Beauty Medical documented:

http://www.blogcalvizie.it/tricopigmentazione-temporanea/

They show him 5 years after having the treatment done and you can see there is zero trace of the pigment left. I've had the treatment done myself and there is absolutely nothing left and it's been three years. I'm also in the process of documenting some of my own clients after the pigment has disappeared.

Beauty Medical's product is only injected at .5mm/upper dermis, which is a very superficial injection. The particles in the product are also just 15 microns so the body's cell defense system can "eat" and expel them.
 
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ZML88

Member
Thank you Ahead Ink! I was beginning to lose hope, the silence from practitioners on this forum and others in response to my question was really alarming.

These photos are a great start, finally some evidence that the pigments do indeed fade. However, I look forward to seeing more patients as one case study is not sufficient for me to go ahead and get the procedure done myself. This client's SMP seemed to be fading evenly based on the 1 year after pictures, but is this the same for all your clients? I am almost completely bald on top and would like to see an example more suited to my situation. The man pictured still had some density there which may have hidden any uneven fading/discolouration.

But again, thanks for the response. Very much appreciated
 
JoeTillman

JoeTillman

Valued member
The patient that Ahead Ink referenced is the same one I presented when he was two years out from a procedure and even then the pigment was nearly gone.
 
damien

damien

Member
The tricopigmentation industry is much smaller than the permanent SMP industry, with far fewer people having had the procedure. Add to this the fact that the tricopigmentation option by its very nature, is more likely to attract clients who are concerned about detection (and are less likely to participate in testimonials), and it's actually quite easy to understand why so few client stories are in circulation.

Many tricopigmentation technicians entered the market fairly recently too, so it may be that a number of clinics simply don't have their own documented cases to share. For what it's worth, I have discussed this issue at length with Goldeneye and they're adamant that pigments are absorbed and disappear exactly as they should, usually within 24 months.
 
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