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Hair Science Institute does hair multiplication

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karmenelec

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This is a post I co-opted from another forum. The writer makes interesting points:

"Recently, a Dutch authority decided for HSI, and that the Hair Science Institute definitely has the permission and the right for all their claims on their website.

Source: http://www.hasci.com
(Translation Dutch/English)
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HSI wins lawsuit at the Reclame Code Commissie!

On 15 July 2010, the Hair Science Institute (HSI) could at the Reclame Code Commissie (RCC) successfully defend a lawsuit by some hair transplant clinics due to false statements made by HSI. This lawsuit was the newest episode of a continuing series of efforts of these clinics to discredit HSI.

Reason for the lawsuit against HSI were the made claims by HSI of "hair multiplication" as a result of HSI €™s patented Hairstemcell Transplantation ® (HST),and that for the hair multiplication claims no evidence exists. The applicants were:

€¢ Transhair BV
€¢ Aesthetic Team BV
€¢ Laser Surgery
€¢ Prohairclinic
€¢ Hairplus Medical Care

After a fair hearing of all affected parties and experts, finally the commission came to the decision, that HSI has just made plausible statements on their website and judged therefore the lawsuit for unfounded.
In addition, the claim the popular Dutchman Gerard Joling has HSI €œlinked to his name € was dismissed by the commission as irrelevant. In the attached PDF file, you can read the official decision of the Reclame Code Commissie.

This decision was truly no surprise for HSI and its clients. However, for HSI it is gratifying to see, that now the Reclame Code Commissie too has confirmed, that Hairstemcell [email protected] (HST) and its resulting unique statement of "hair multiplication" is fully justified.

We hope you enjoy reading!

Official decision of the Reclame Code Commissie (RCC):
http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloa...tspraakRCC.pdf
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So what?
Since April 2010, actually the whole HT field is aware of HSI €™s published scientifically peer-reviewed paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20388024

That means, normally EVERY €œFUE expert € out there is really easy able to prove or to disprove this study. Where is the problem? Or aren €™t there any €œFUE-experts € out there?


It seems not, because they presented and informed every year about their progress for this technique since 2007 (2008 and 2009 too) at the ISHRS congress, as for instance 2007 in Las Vegas:
http://ushairrestoration.com/follicu...plantation.php

In my personal opinion, all such guys and doctors, who claim €œthe HSI technique is a scam €, are the real scammers - besides the fact, that it seems that those ones don €™t even have the necessary scientifically knowhow in their own field. I can see this almost every day. And THIS is really sad!"

Well that last paragraph is a little harsh and unwarranted. But I should say that I have spoken personally with three different doctors at HSI, and have spent a total of well over an hour on the phone with them (the long distance charges sucked!). They were very patient with me, answered all my questions, criticisms and skepticism. They have also sent me clear close-up photos of before and afters showing donor regrowth after the procedure.

They started this new technique just a couple of years ago and the success they say is unquestionable. We just don't hear about it because we're across the Atlantic and doctors here will not give credit where its due because the procedure is patented -- let's face it, if the average prospective patient knew they could do an FUE procedure without loss of donor, they would take the option. (I asked Hairtech from SMG on these boards for comment on this procedure and he has been conspicuously silent -- despite being very active on these boards during the weeks prior.)

Yes, HSI admitted to me that the procedure was flawed in the early 2000s (causing much less donor regrowth),but Dr. Gho developed a much improved technique (splitting follicles laterally instead of horizontally) that guarantees at least 80% donor regrowth -- and he parted ways with his old clinic shortly thereafter to start HSI.

I asked HSI why they don't have photos on their site of NW6s transformed to NW1. They said the technique has only been around for a couple of years, you can only have approx 1500 grafts per procedure, and you have to wait at least 9 months between each one. So there hasn't been time for any drastic transformations yet. They admit their marketing sucks, but have said they really don't feel pressure to prove their naysayers wrong because they're booked through mid-2011 as it is. Clearly they're doing something right!

Between this and ACell, I really think limited donor concerns are ALREADY a thing of the past. Time to rewrite the textbooks.



 
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I`ve been following this HSI.To date i`ve not seen a patient posting any results on a public forum yet.
 
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Haarweb - the dutch hairloss forum - has quite a few and they seem satisfied (I read the forums using google translate). You also don't see any eurpoean patients really (ie. ferudini, prohair, etc.) that are posting on english speaking forums because of the language barrier I assume. But we see their results because the clinics do the posting themselves -- when I asked about this, HSI readily admitted that they aren't active in this respect because the demand far exceeds their ability to meet it already... But for what it's worth I have seen the shaved-down donor regrowth on an HSI patient post-procedure with my own eyes. (I know, I know, I'm just some guy on a forum making that claim.. But what else can I do? *nl )
 
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Do you have the website to that forum that shows the pictures of the HSI patients?
 
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www.haarweb.nl

access it using google translate and you can read it in english.

as an aside, here's a clip about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diL2PqlzoG0



 
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Patient: Mr. Grant Romundt (ScissorBoy)

Scissorboy Undergoes Stem Cell Hair Restoration
http://scissorboy.posterous.com/scissorboy-undergoes-stem-cell-hair-restorati

Pre-op €“ preparations (video)
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1825234944481

25 second trailer of ScissorBoy Stem Cell Episode (video)
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1949296525943

The Hair Stem Cell Episode with Dr. Coen Gho (video)
http://www.scissorboy.com/video/index/122/-1/all/40

Post-op - What to do after Stem Cell Hair Restoration (video)
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1828517466542
 
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You need to watch the 4th video for the procedure folks to save you trawling,I dont think this is a proven technique yet as it would be talked about much more and after fotos would be out there of donor regeneration which arent out there.i would think the donor regrowth is hit and miss so not viable as a solution. I am also not impressed with there results fotos on there website, they lack density really,all of them.Great idea though if proof of success can one day be presented in a fullproof way !.
 
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Also I could find no updates for him or further blogs after 23 march where he talks about his great result and youthful hairline 3/4 days after procedure,bit fishy dont you think.Assuming it was this year should be 3 months out now.Any further updates for him ?.
 
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Many of us were very critical of Gho back in 2002. We felt he didn €™t have anything and was using hype to draw in clients. In fact I was even banned from one forum because of my criticism. Fast forward almost 10 years later and the situation does not seem to have changed. We all are familiar with the story of the boy who cried wolf. Hype and buzz words are all part of marketing regardless of the product. Maybe Gho really does have something but common sense would tell us all that it would be very easy to provide pictorial proof at this point.
 
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T.C wrote:
Also I could find no updates for him or further blogs after 23 march where he talks about his great result and youthful hairline 3/4 days after procedure,bit fishy dont you think.Assuming it was this year should be 3 months out now.Any further updates for him ?.
I found some more videos and explanations by ScissorBoy (seems he is an American):

http://scissorboylive.com/category/hair-restoration-techniques/

There are also lots of independent Wesley Sneijder reports and photos on the web like the following one:
http://www.baldingcelebrities.com/2011/05/wesley-sneijder.html

Wesley Sneijder photo gallery:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mls/games/2011060307/photos/im:urn:newsml:sports.yahoo,getty:20050301:mls,photo,cf8b111b358e733b07df82e256cd549f-getty-109261538vd006_d_c_united_v:1

Fishy? Interesting, other clinics would hype with such (independent) videos and photos about such satisfied clients/celebrities on their websites. Dr. Gho is doing completely the contrary and recently he explained that issue in an (video) interview with Spencer Kobren, why he is doing completely the contrary (not showing just the best results).

@topccat29 - between 09:30 and 09:55 in this video
http://www.scissorboy.com/video/index/122/-1/all/40
Dr. Gho explains why it took so long to develop the HST technique.
 
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I hate when people fall into these types of traps never to hear from them again. Sad. I remember just as Topcat the hype around that doc. I also remember this one clinic back in 2002 that was selling a special serum into the scalp that was supposed to grow hair. He charged $20,000 per ounce. He was out of Mexico. He later was debunked.
 
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Yes HT the infamous Dr. Bazan who many of us warned others about in our postings. Long time posters have a huge advantage over many others as we see who comes and goes on the forums. We pay attention to posts and try to understand what it going on behind the scenes. We don €™t just merely accept what we see and hop on the bandwagon. When posts are deleted and forum members are banned we pay even closer attention. That is the agenda of the long time poster to help pass on history to others. No truer quote applies here than those that do not learn from history are destined to repeat it.


Feb 15th 2008
Fake surgeon falls
He is a general practitioner, but offered plastic surgery services.

General practitioner Carl August Bazán Alvarez, a peruvian national, was arrested after health authorities closed down his office, where he performed all kind of surgeries and treatments, without the training or the proper permits, putting at risk the health of those who went to him ignoring he was not a qualified surgeon.

The head of the Health Regulation Branch ISEA, Octavio Jiménez Macías, said Bazan had been investigated for the first time one and a half years ago, and was told that he could not perform surgery without having the official recognitions, and six months ago warning seals were placed on his business "Clinica Bazán, " which is located in the Bosques del Prado development, because he was providing a service for which he was not qualified.

Bazan continued to offer his services at his home during these six months. Despite that he was warned that he was not allowed to risk patients with his surgery, he broke the seals that were placed in his office and continued with these type of services. Finally, he was arrested right in the middle of a surgery on Wednesday night by verification personnel of the ISEA, assisted by ministry officials, who this same night filled an arrest order for the mentioned crime, because as can be seen even in the seals themselves, the penalty for seal violation is imprisonment.

The situation got out of control, as the peruvian doctor attacked the officers who were trying to arrest him; they finally managed to subdue him, but then he pretended to be ill and was taken to ISSSTE facilities, where he was placed under permanent surveillance by ministry officials.
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2nd article:

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www.aguasdigital.com
Feb 27th 2008
The hunt for more fake surgeons continues
College of Physicians will conduct inspections and
prepare a census of plastic surgeons to prevent further scäms.

The College of Surgeons of Aguascalientes intends to conduct a census with the intention of determining the total number of medical
practicioners in the State working in this area, which also seeks to combat the "charlatanery" after the arrest and closure of the clinic
of the peruvian physician who disguised himself as plastic surgeon, Carl Bazan Alvarez.
Gustavo Hita Chacon, president of the College of Surgeons of Aguascalientes, noted it is extremely important to have a
register of all those certified surgeons, with the intention of protecting the lives of their patients, so all
specialists are called to integrate into it to prevent that in the State, medical services are being offered by practicioners who don't have studies
or have absolutely no preparation to serve the population that requires surgery.

It happens that, according to Jaime Gonzalez Medoza, a member of the Mexican Association of Plastic, Aesthetic and Reconstructive Surgery,
in the State there are very few doctors who have the relevant certification to be considered as plastic surgeons.

However, each day there are more and more beauty clinics and other establishments that offer everything from a simple surgery to a more complex one,
many of whom do not have the appropriate guarantees and certificates wherefore is constant the monitoring of the staff of the Health Institute of the State of
Aguascalientes, while the doctors have joined the fight against the "charlatans", and that is why they will conduct a census of
certified physicians in the State.










Dr. Carl Bazan, Scalp Impregantion Therapy and HM Nov. 2004 update

Q#1: About the patient who developed skin cancer, was the patient impregnated for HM all over the scalp? was the cancer located in a single spot of the scalp, in several spots, or spread all over the scalp? Do you know exactly what was the reason of it (even if not related to HM) ?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
A BCC developed near the nose. It happened 7 months after a HM attempt. Maybe is not related (maybe it is). Successfully treated in Alberta using MOHS.

Q#2: In case of developing skin cancer, will it be easy to remove? how?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
No answer.

Q#3: direction: as you have said, there is a certain difficulty in getting the hairs growing in the correct direction. Have you had any problems with "ingrown" hairs growing down under the skin, causing inflammation, etc?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
Ingrown hairs yes. Inflammation yes. Not severe.

Q#4: about the photos. We can see you have updated your site with a new "gallery page". But the photos are still not uploaded. Please hurry up!

Dr. Carl Bazan:
I am eager to post images too. Some redtape holds some actions.

Q#5: As from every donor hair 4-6-10 hairs are obtained. Could it be possible to reinject the cells also in the donor area so you always keep it with the same density so it can be used over and over again until you head is 100% full of hair??

Dr. Carl Bazan:
No. Not yet viable.

Q#6: How are your HM trialists doing? Any updates/ photos?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
'Trialists' doing just fine. Updated info and images will follow as soon as possible.

Q#7: When can we expect a wider commercial release of your
respective procedures (HM & SIT)?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
SIT: Can not answer you with enough certainty right now. HM: It still needs some fine tunning. It does work.

Q#8: I'm a NW 2-3 and 23 yo. Will I be an eligible candidate for the HM procedure shortly after it's released or will the limitations (NW>= 5, age >30) still apply?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
Too hairy, too young. Of course, the "limitations" will not remain as 'severe'.

Q#9: Can your HM can be administered without problems to
somebody who had a previous hair transplant done (as I'm considering FUE in the near future)?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
Yes.

Q#10 : Does every new hair impregnated grows at the same rate: are there weaker multiplied hair than others ? How can you know the hair will cycle normally in ten years since you couldn't have tested it for that long?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
a) No.
b) We are not sure. But we can not find a reason for cycling to stop.

Q#11 : If one consider that you can perform HM at the present
time (although it's still on trial),when do you think the direction problem will be solved ? More precisely, can that be solved or would it represent a degree of perfection such that this could only be solved in theory, and thus that issue can only be minimized and never overcomed ?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
a) Direction issue, will probably be solved. Can not know when.
b) How fast, how easy or how well it will be solved? Do not know.

Q#12 : Can you have the same density as normal hair ? How can you predict that with an injection ?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
It is just a prediction (a solidly educated prediction).
I see it as highly probable. Evidence sustain projections.

Q#13: Dr. Bazan when you state that it is possible to multiple
a hair follicle as many as 8 times - do you mean it yields eight new follicles from 1? So to get 8,000 follicles you need to harvest from the donor region 1,000 follicles? Or do you mean exponentially, where 1 becomes 2, 2 becomes 4, 8 becomes 16,
16 becomes 32 etc etc (all from one follicle) until you get to
eight divisions????

Dr. Carl Bazan:
1=8

Q#14: can HM cause shock loss ? Have you performed hm on
someone with diffuse thinning?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
a) We do not fully understand the pathogenesys of shock loss.
b) No I have not. Would not rule those cases out a priori (and also remember the allogenic windows).


Q#15: you mentioned all of your trialist have responded to hm to various degrees of growth would it be same to say that the procedure will work on anybody that has mpb? Lets say it doesn't work as an alternative measure would you then recommend the allogenic procedure?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
Will probably work on anybody, MPB or not (AGA, FAGA, LUD, AA, AU, AROM-Alop, Cicat-Alop, scars, design, etc).

[/b]Q#16: does the proceedure mean its only available subject to
local regulations i.e. Mexico, or could this mean a quick worldwide release meeting different countries medical regulatory laws. If so when does he foresee it becoming mainstream.

Dr. Carl Bazan: Must meet the law. Here, there, everywhere. When? I wish a date can be provided.


Q#17:I was wondering whether the HM process is affected in
any way by gray hair, and what type of hairs will be produced
by the multiplied grays.

Dr. Carl Bazan:
Not affected in density matters. Just harder to manipulate.

[/b]Q#18: what role does Harvard University play in your research?

Dr. Carl Bazan: None. Initially HuESc lines & technology trading. Not playing a role now. Initial collaboration could not progress due to our (my) local way of understanding the philosophy, nature and future of HuESc, freedom, commercialization, ownership, patenting, etc (the business part).


Q#19: Assuming the patient keeps returning for treatments: Can SIT restore the original density?
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Dr. Carl Bazan: Potentially yes.

[/b]Q#20: Do you have any experience how effective SIT is, when you treat the same area again after a year? I mean, let €™s say a patient receives X hairs per square centimeter, will a second row of treatments one year later give him X hairs again? Or will he receive less than X hairs for some reasons? (The question relates especially to bad responders.)

Dr. Carl Bazan:
a) On the experience: no.
b) On the hypothesis: yes.
c) Bad responders are exactly that. Less controlable evolution.


Q#21: How many hairs per square centimeter can a good responder/bad responder expect?
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Dr. Carl Bazan: 200?/120?

Q#22: Will the paying volunteers receive a solid proof of ex-SIT before they pay the money?

Dr. Carl Bazan: No. At least not yet. In the future yes.


Q#23: Many people experience increased sebum production in the scalp along with increased hair loss. Will this procedure(s)reverse this? To what extent? If not, does Dr. B. know of any alternatives to reduce sebum production in the scalp?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
a) No.
b) n/a
c) Redesign you DHT balance (use the 5 alfa & beta reductase inhibitors, normalize your regional pH balance, use the appropriate hygiene techniques-i.e. wash the hair never the scalp-, watch what when and how you eat, try clay or low detergent products, etc, etc).

Q#24: How many patients have you treated so far? Is it possible to know how old where the patients?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
[/b]a) classified.
b) Selected according to the existing "limitations" protocol.


Q#25: How many of your collaborators are qualified to perfom
HM? Will training of other doctors take a long time ?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
a) one.
b) six weeks the most.

Q#26: From your point of view and with all the knowledge you have by now, do you think that you've got your hands on a cure (definitely, maybe, might be) ?

Dr. Carl Bazan:
This is the most difficult question. Depends on how YOU see it. A cure will probably come in the chemical form of a vaccine or some genetic manipulation. My HM work will be a very smart treatment. A cure stops the disease, my research aims only to minimize the aesthetic devastation. As a bald (N4v) guy (with some solid hair now),I know first hand how important the issue is.


Q#27 : Since HM seems to depend much on the donor area, what defines a good donor quality/bad donor quality ?

Dr. Carl Bazan: Too long to answer. Sorry. In a short line: Good healthy donor has good density, good character, good dp and gc's.


Q#28: Who or what is attempting to "compromise" or supress
your efforts, and through what attempts?
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Dr. Carl Bazan: Disaccreditation (sp?) within the web, the media and the key institutions ( which prevents venture, private or agency funding; and collaboration). Who? Guess who? easy to know, not wise to post.

Dr.B
www.itzan.com
Mexico
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PS. Guys, please do not call or e-mail our Institute as our resources can not handle the data request overload (>800 mails/24 hrs) and will prevent scientific & collaborative exchange from flowing. All updates will be posted when appropriate and never before. It is for you that we are working, just have patience.


 
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[):h::OMG Topcat I remember that exchange! That is so scary. And that was back in 2002. I remember the website that kept reporting that the Worlwide release date of this HM was to be released blah blah blah... then it was pushed back further and further. Then he was outed.

Please... all ghost readers read the post before mine from topcat.
 
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Bazan is not Gho. You cannot bring up the shady practices of one doctor 9 years ago to discredit another today. Dr. Gho has proven his technique through daily patients and a well respected peer review journal. I encourage you to contact him and learn about his procedure instead of trying to discredit him - perhaps out of concern that he will render your own practice obsolete.


 
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Karmenelec nobody is trying to smear or discredit Gho. These are just different points of view for others to evaluate. Anybody that knows about how the medical industry works knows that peer reviewed journals many times don €™t mean jack shit. In a perfect world where there is no corruption that might be a possibility but we don €™t live in such a world. Until then all these so called experts regardless of it €™s a credit reporting agency like Moody €™s, a coalition evaluating doctors or a peer reviewed journal. What they have to say needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Anybody with common sense would expect to see plenty of pictures by now showing proof of concept. Where exactly are these pictures that show substantial growth in both the donor and recipient areas?

Gho was saying the same thing 10 years ago. Because of what he was professing many young men received shit ht results which they complained about. The bar for Gho now needs to be set much higher in my opinion.

And as I told another poster on another forum that keeps encouraging others to get into the chair and have Gho give them a procedure. Grow a set of balls and get into the chair yourself. It's as simple as that. If I felt that strongly about what this person is capable of that is what I would do. Then I would take the time to update everyone consistently and not just disappear.
 
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I agree with Topcat completely. No one is trying to discredit anyone. No one poster could discredit anyone. A simple search on any of the hair forums provides vital information that all hair patients, newbies, etc... need... in order to form an opinion for themselves. Below is a simple search I made on hairsite. I found an opinion from poster "Stevie.Dee". Then I copied and pasted it here. It is not my own writings and not my opinion.






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Stevie.Dee,


Here Iron.Man here are some Links about Gho and this neverending story, it is a neverending story with no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow

1) 2001 : http://keratin.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2956

2) Ghos sca_m clinic built 1994 : http://www.ghoclinicpraha.cz/de/haartransplantation-foto-verpflanzungsgebiet.html

3) Aruba Clinic?????? : http://www.drgho.com/aruba/request.htm

4) 1999 a really really sad forum : http://www.skirsch.com/charity/medical/hairloss.htm

5) Here another Firstr enthusiastic then shattered forum in 2006 : http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=63214

6) 2002 again another Gho Shattering : http://www.hairlosssucks.com/nl22001.htm

Seriously IronMan wake up and face reality, maybe Gho is a Pioneer or he fueld the Hm idea but he wont bring us a solution




 
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karmenelec wrote:
Bazan is not Gho. You cannot bring up the shady practices of one doctor 9 years ago to discredit another today. Dr. Gho has proven his technique through daily patients and a well respected peer review journal. I encourage you to contact him and learn about his procedure instead of trying to discredit him - perhaps out of concern that he will render your own practice obsolete.
No wonder why almost nobody is taking such boards (like this) serious.

One user is still living in the 80s and compares e.g. a Mexican ... (no idea what this man indeed was) ... with a researcher in the Netherlands and the other user refers to a post by a user on the internet who refers to crap posts by other users on the internet. :whatever:

On the other hand, sometimes you can find the reality, truth and facts due to such users.

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€œThe Erasmus MC ranks as THE top European institution in clinical medicine. €

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_University_Rotterdam

But it €™s no surprise €¦

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20388024

Prof. Dr. Martino Neumann (Gho €™s co-author and mentor) is the boss of one of their faculties/departments €¦

http://www.erasmusmc.nl/dermatologie/researchderm001/497800/

And, yeah, THESE guys know and can describe e.g. what a plucked hair basically consists of €¦

http://www.erasmusmc.nl/47421/51019/2004677/2004971/2020792/2025232/hair

€¦ and they are studying far more complex things on and with plucked hairs since a long time, than just transplanting plucked hairs from A to B.

All in all, maybe that €™s one reason why Drs Gho/Neumann scientific papers costs twice as much than those from Prof. Lauster - no sh't.

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But that is just one post by users on the internet which e.g. HT technicians or HT doctors simply can't find.
 
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Obviously it is very simple for those that truly believe this procedure works. Get in the chair have it done, take pictures and keep everyone updated. It €™s called walking the walk as opposed to talking the talk.

Sorry if I come off sounding mean here but I live in the world of reality. Taking advice about a procedure from someone who in fact never had the procedure is like getting advice on how to become a millionaire from a homeless man. It means absolutely nothing in my book.

Of course when I hear from an actual Gho patient my view is open to change.
 
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"No wonder why almost nobody is taking such boards (like this) serious."

Galileo, Why say something like that? Apparently you take this forum serious enough to log on and post something.

You post your opinions... and I can almost guarantee that this board will not delete or modify your posts. That makes it more credible in my opinion.