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I will start Exosome treatment soon - Day 0 :-)

arthurSam

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Hello @maistro I've heard good things about dut mesotherapy so I think it will be helpful but Havent try it so cannot help you sorry but this guy (h**ps://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/59956-keep-and-fight/?do=findComment&comment=753388) make this kind of mesotherapy and got very good result .. so perhpas you could ask him !

Concerning Minox I cannot tolerate it even at 0.5mg/day ! It gives me heart problems
 
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@maistro please stay in touch with us to know if you get sides with mésothérapy dutasteride .... Because if you don't I think I will add it later to my exosomes mesotherapy;)
Thanks you !
 
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1,5 months :

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arthurSam

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@maistro yes only ASCE+ hrlv exosomes. I am currently hesitate to use 1.5mm depth instead of 1mm I don't know if it can be better ...
 
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Some results at 2 months

For the photos above, I have to leave my hair a bit wet otherwise you can't see through. So I take two types of photos:

  • Just after applying the exosomes: the hair is soaked by the product
  • The next day, after the shampoo: towel-dried hair but still wet


Top view, just after exosome treatment:
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View from above, after the shampoo and towel-dried but still wet hair:

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Wait & see !
 
arthurSam

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Update at +3,5 months : No full head of hair but still on it

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I would like to take this opportunity to share with you two very interesting new videos dated from May 2023 on exosomes I recently discover if this subject interests you:

  • The first one (with a delicious French accent ) talk about Extracellular vesicles (Exosomes) characterization and therapeutic potential ; very very interesting ! for example, they talk about the difference between stem cell and exosome treatments and the fact that the latter method is much safer... Talk also about Platelets...
  • The second one is some Q&A about exosomes, and they speak about exosomes for hairloss... and you will see that there is no propaganda on this subject, they are rather reserved about this type of treatment for the moment...

Note: Note: I specify that I do not know at all if exosomes work to fight against hair loss and have any interest... Personally I think that in certain cases it can be beneficial, in particular when the folicles are not dead , but I'm just reporting my experience !

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My point of view : I think that the exosomes currently available to the general public are not yet necessarily "loaded" with specific genetic material (mi-RNA) to treat alopecia... they in fact contain a mixture of mi-RNAs including one some are beneficial and others less (see my web-site .. even in exosome derivated from rose stem cell there are interessting mi-RNA wich are in stem cells from humans !)

In particular, exosomes derived from human stem cells are banned in my country and many other countries. This is the reason why we can only use exosomes from, for example, plants... but which still contain interesting genetic material for hair!

The future is in exosome engineering: Researchers are able to "load" into exosomes specific genetic material. All that remains is to find interesting mi-RNAs to fight against alopecia (we already know a large number of them!) and make them accessible to the general public!

And of course, for the moment no scientific study has been carried out by FDA to validate the therapeutic benefits of exosomes as drugs... It will therefore still take many years to "eventually" see them arrive on the market ! At the moment, they are only available as cosmetics!
 
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Photos of progression under exosomes

== +18 weeks progress (4,5 months) ==



Top view, just after exosome treatment -the hair is soaked by the product :

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View from above, after the shampoo and towel-dried but still wet hair the next day :

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Update at +24 weeks:


Top view, just after exosome treatment -the hair is soaked by the product :

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View from above, after the shampoo and towel-dried but still wet hair the next day :

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Updated May 2024: As mentioned in the previous text, the ASCE+ HRLV product is based on plant-derived exosomes (rose). After 20 weeks of treatment, it brought me a little benefit but nothing extraordinary... so I decided to change the product. I now move on to the following products that rely on human sources:

  • AAPE Hair (ABIO material): These are secretomes derived from human adipose tissue.
  • Exosomes for hair (Creative Biolab): These are exosomes from human umbilical cord.

For information, AAPEs are not ASC-EXOs (exosomes from adipose stem cells) but ASC-CMs (conditioned media from adipose stem cells), called secretomes.

ASC-CM is a complex cocktail of proteins, nucleic acids, and lipids released as soluble factors and/or transported in extracellular vesicles (EVs). The difference between secretome molecules lies mainly in the size of their particles. Microvesicles are larger, approximately 150–1000 μm, while exosomes are smaller, approximately 30–150 μm. Exosomes therefore penetrate the skin better.

Secretome and exosomes are sometimes used synonymously, but they are actually different.

The secretome is the collection of all messenger substances released to the outside, including microvesicles and exosomes, but also other important factors dissolved in the liquid. These include many growth factors that promote regeneration and so-called cytokines (cell-cell messengers).

Exosomes, on the other hand, are actually just particulate exosomes isolated from the whole thing. Isolation concentrates them, but important solutes and microvesicles are lost.

In my opinion, exosomes carry more microRNAs than secretomes because they are more filtered and can therefore stimulate, for example, the wnt/beta-catenin pathway which is very important for hair loss.

So I'm going to continue taking exosomes, but now also adding AAPE and making sure the sources are human and not plant-based. I take this combo because I think microRNAs are important in addition to the various proteins/growth factors.

You will find the list of microRNAs found in exosomes from adipose tissue and umbilical cord in this research paper: "Systemic proteomics and miRNA profile analysis of exosomes derived from human pluripotent stem cells". By comparing them with the list of microRNAs which have an impact on hair (see this research paper : "Perspectives on miRNAs Targeting DKK1 for Developing Hair Regeneration Therapy"), it seems that there are more of them than in the exosomes from rose... which is a good point !
 
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The next day, after the shampoo: towel-dried hair but still wet :

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The next day, after the shampoo: towel-dried hair but still wet :

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