The shill poster

[topccat29]

I have been compiling information on researching hair transplantation for the average person that knows very little. At this point the information has become quite voluminous and would not be appropriate to post to a forum.

Something that I think is important and requires immediate attention and needs to be posted now is how the shill poster works. This is a poster who has never had a procedure in their life, never discusses their own hair loss and most definitely has never posted a picture. When someone new walks into the room meaning the forum they are very quick to suggest which doctor they should go to often times corresponding to a list that same forum has put together funny how that works. You also have them sometimes working as tag team partners just like the old time wrestlers on TV we all know that was real. The job of the tag team partner is to concur with the original shill €™s advice creating the effect of social proof. You know, seems like everyone agrees that €™s got to be the guy to go to so I €™ll go there too €¦ €¦ €¦.wow that was easy. No pictures, no written experience, no nothing from these guys except their expertise as forum posters.

Gather information from those that work in the industry who actually try to post something of value and have knowledge to share along with accounts of patients who actually have experiences to share through words and pictures.

The shill does have other various methods of operation not listed here, just keeping it short.

In my opinion there certainly are not 60+ doctors out there offering the highest level of skill, care and honesty but there is certainly more than one. Find out who they are from actual patient experiences and choose.

 

[Prohairclinic]

Great post, well written.
Am i à shilling now?

How about paid shilling?

 

[Boberto]

Good post Topcat. That nature of posting you describe is rampant over on HTN and others.

Must be perplexing for the newbie. Hang around over there long enough though and you'll see it for what it is.

 

[topccat29]

Bverotti I think that the Prohairclinic presents excellent clean work. You can often tell just post op that the result is going to be really good and I don €™t think you shill just in case that was a serious question.

I think many know exactly what I €™m talking about but the problem is many don €™t and those are the guys that are new to the forums and it €™s usually the younger guys. Sometimes I feel like I have been in prison for 25 years and after all that time I know how the system works. So when they bring in the new prisoner it €™s interesting to watch who approaches him and what they say and do. I have gotten to the point where yes I still want to help as many as possible but I find myself being more entertained by some of the absurdity that I see and I actually laugh out loud at so much of what I read on the forums. I €™m sure many might feel that I post too much but I really do find this entertaining and of course everyone loves to laugh.

I often tell my wife if I could have one thing it would be the knowledge I have now at 50 when I was 20 and not just with this industry but in general life experience. It €™s what many of these 30 year old reps have very little of, life experience and it €™s often what makes them poor choices for good counsel.

 

[SADbutTRUE]

good pos

 

[SADbutTRUE]

good post, my hand slipped sorry;;D

 

[bullitnut]

SADbutTRUE wrote:

good post, my hand slipped sorry;;D

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[topccat29]

It €™s not my intention to put anyone down but I mean c €™mon some of these reps are still in their 20 €™s. My experience has been that age group knows very little and are quite naïve and when I do run into someone that age that actually is responsible, has some sense and knows to do the right thing I let them know it because it is so rare. I mean really I €™m going to listen to some 20+ year old that tells me I should tattoo my head €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..lol €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.how can anyone not laugh at all of this. Yeah I €™m sure you get all the girls with your head tattoo go and tell another 20 year old about it. €¦ €¦ €¦..in my best Foghorn Leghorn voice €¦ €¦ €¦.go away son you bother me. Sometimes I just have too much to say and maybe I shouldn €™t say it but when it comes to posters that have never had a procedure giving advice to others who have never had a procedure or who to go to and what to do it kind of takes the cake for me.

Then you have these experts that will tell you the endoscope fue is a game changer with no results. Yet you have had handful of doctors performing visibly scarless fue for a number of years now but that was never a game changer, why? These are in my opinion the type of thoughts young inexperienced guys need to have pointed out them and what they hunger to know but can rarely find.

 

[skiny]

I think its easy when your older and especially when you've been round the block, maybe a few times to spot these things, and be less trusting just because someone tells you its great.

It goes on in sales all the time, problem is this is more than buying a new car, it messes people up and its hard to forgive, not that you should even have to. There are those out there that will try to do the right thing i guess, and those that maybe think they are doing the right thing, and then those who don ´t give a damn as they are either clueless or have a motive. keep on posting topcat it makes a difference.

 

[Sparky]

Good thread Topcat!

Annoys me when people come on here shouting the odds when they don't show pics or have never had a procedure.

 

[topccat29]

"Hey Hair transplant is some risky so please take care and all the best"

Deck119, really is that necessary. At least grow a brain and try adding some substance. Put some actual thought into what you are writing and have it come from the heart then we know it's real.

 

[topccat29]

In case some don €™t quite understand what I was referring to as shill in this particular case the best way to describe it would be similar to the way the b-girl works in the bar industry.

B-girl-A woman employed to talk to customers in a bar and encourage them to buy drinks.

So let €™s just call this person that works the forum the b-boy. His job is to pretend that his situation is similar to yours so he understands your plight. Always recommends that you go to the doctor listed on the ACBDE list obviously he is not going to send you down the street even if it is a better choice. Like the b-girl who is usually just drinking colored water not the real thing the b-boy has never had a hair transplant and doesn €™t plan on it he just does his job.

The b-girl and the b-boy are similar in that you are led to believe they are both customers €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦but they are not and if you didn €™t catch it guess what €¦ €¦ €¦..you were the sucker. When advertising medical procedures I would consider this mode of operation consumer fraud especially when it turns out badly and you become a repair patient. This happens when the b-boy hops on to a thread intended to create buzz about an unproven procedure and you take the bait or the doctor was just not as skilled as you were led to believe.

When performed correctly you would never know a b-boy actually worked for the forum. You also have the tag team b-boys who work in tandem. Does the b-boy exist on all the forums, no but where it does exist it is interesting to watch.

This is only one method of controlling information flow among dozens and it €™s important to know them all.

 

[hairtech]

Here is an example of a shill and the typical forum scumbag. This is one of many that I have saved. Watch out newbies...

From: S*** <*****@****hair.com <mailto:******@****hair.com> >
Subject: Re: My New Project
To: "****" <*******@yahoo.com <mailto:*******ahoo.com> >
Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 4:12 AM

One thing you could comment on is that why is it after 2 years of offering FUE do they only have a couple of results to show ....


You could start your own topic even. And state you are an unsatisfied SMG FUE patient and wonder how many others there are from SMG in light of only a few average FUE results posted by them. .. Also ask if it's normal for a tech to do the entire extract process ... "


That is the end of this email... There are others from this person.

So the point here is this... Please do your research. Forums brought the hair transplant industry to a better place... and then a virus such as the forum scumbag hurt forums and the hair transplant industry again.




::;mb

 

[Mickey85]

Absolutely disgraceful... Hairtech, how is it possible that this individual did not get sued to oblivion? Will anyone even employ him now?

 

[hairtech]

I dunno,

I certainly dis-like opening old wounds but I also do not like shills getting over on the innocent reader.

 

[Mickey85]

Thanks for bringing this to light champ. People will now know the truth.

 

[hairtech]

Thanks brutha.

 

[Boberto]

That is shocking and an absolute disgrace Hairtech. Really hope a lot of newbies get to read this over here on this forum.

Unfortunatly this thread would have closed long ago on certain other forums.

 

[james1984]

Wow....

 

[topccat29]

Mickey many of these guys do not come forward because they now find themselves in the dilemma of being a repair patient. So more than likely they would rather get fixed then have to worry about warning you. Some will dodge that bullet but they too will say to themselves you are on your own. Some patients I have spoken to are very similar to what I imagine those who suffer from abuse have become, withdrawn and reclusive over time. Many of them have destroyed personal relationships because of what has happened. How many times have I heard someone lose a girlfriend or wife because the stress they are now under was just too much. Many need to understand that could have been you and even if you dodged the bullet it should make you angry when you really think long and hard about it. That someone would care so little about you or what happens to you that giving you bad advice is not a problem, they still sleep well.

Something for others to consider and I really think this is an important point and observation. The 30 year old rep really does not care about you. He cares about making as much money as possible and scoring as much ass as possible. Some of these guys are not even 30. The guys sitting around talking about all the self medication they need also don €™t care about you. Many might not agree with this but just something I believe to be true. Look for those that are older, religious, and/or in stable relationships. The young hot shot is not a good advisor and usually does only what is best for himself. If a person seems to be just interested in making more and more money it €™s a clue.