Do Not Tattoo Your Head

[ionvasilache3]

Ok...
I have pictures on HIS forum in the first post of a thread.

I did my treatment in Romania, Bucharest, at the clinic called "SLIMART". They do very bad pigmentation. the guy who did my SMP was DAN ZARESCU. The guy didn't even bother to answer the phone/emails again after i've told i have a serious problem caused by him.
What bothers me is that the guy continues to make horrible treatments, has videos on youtube, apparently "gives lectures" on meetings, etc... He only is intersted in making easy money no matter what.

The "technique" they use is invented by some guy in Israel, called "MOSHE ALUL". They have a device with 57 needles(like a dermaroller), they paint your scalp with an ordinary brush with pigment(!!!), and then roll the device multiple times and here's your "pigmentation", it doesn't take more than 10 minutes, and it costed me 400 euros just for a region in the crown!
These scumbags surely know how to make money fasy and easy.
Rudimentary technique presented as an ultimate "breakthrough".
Stay away from them and their shitty technique..
They have no control of the uniformity of pigments, they just roll that device multiple times, oh, and thye device's needles even VIBRATE, which is bad, cause it contributes to spreading of ink. They do it blidnly, scalp is completely painted and they roll that shitty device back and forth with no control of the uniformity of the dots applied.
Also the scumbag ZARESCU constantly kept brushing the scalp with a cloth very aggresively, which i think contributed to the pigment spreading and getting deeper into the skin.

So, for those of you in ROMANIA, stay away from scalp micropigmentation done at SLIMART clinic BUCHAREST!!! And stay away from the technique ORON57 by "master" MOSHE ALUL, i heard that con-artist spread his "technique" in multiple countries in Eastern Europe!

 

[FIX MA HEED]

Thank you very much for your last reply, i have just learned so much! I have never heard of anything like this and this is exactly what people need to know so they can stay clear of cowboys like this. Everything about that treatment sounds dodgy to me, I'm going to look in to these people more.
To be honest that sound like a good story for watchdog! Im glad you managed to laser off but I'm sure there must be some way you can get your money back?
Thanks again for your last post!

 

[IanD]

That's absolutely crazy man. Sorry you went through that.
I see where your frustrations came from on the HIS forums now.
Although the procedure you had done was completely different.

If anything good comes from this thread - I hope it's that people double check when doing their research and avoid that Oron57 shit.

First thing that would ring alarm bells for me would be the cheap price. A great article about SMP pricing is here:
http://www.smpdebate.com/the-cheapest-scalp-micropigmentation-service-you-can-buy/

 

[hairhair98]

topccat29 wrote:

This thread represents 1/10 of 1% of the threads on this sub forum so it should not be an issue.

The fact is honest clinics should not care what I have to post.

It's an issue because you misrepresented the work of honest clinics by only discussing bad smp treatments and implying that that type of stuff happens at all clinics.

Do you seriously not understand this? It's not a difficult concept.

Similarly, most of your speculation (e.g. young women cant deal with it) is unfounded and inaccurate.

 

[hairhair98]

Coopman wrote:

However as i stated i still think SMP is ridixulous but that is my opinion.

Fair enough, but by that reasoning concealers, hair systems, and womens makeup are all ridiculous as well.

Imagine when the girl you have just started dating says "hey you are not one of those guys with a head tattoo are you". This is very important if you are a guy in your 20s. The only way you can defend yourself is by having some stubble ontop.

As long as the treatment is from a quality clinic, it shouldn't matter if you have hair... as the treatment will essentially be indistinguishable from a shaved follicle. However, the drawback of not having any hair is that you will most likely need to shave your head every day, which may not be ideal for some people.

Yes, some people's first reaction to learning of this type of procedure is to think it is outlandish. However, clients report that their friends/family/SO's are overwhelmingly supportive of SMP when they finally see it, because of how good it actually looks when done properly.


ionvasilache3 wrote:

SMP is ridiculouslylooking, and even that "HIS" clinic can have surpises in the long-term, let's see what they will do then!!! In 10-15 years when the scalps of the patients will become horrific.

The CEO of HIS has had his treatment for 10 years, and people that see him in person report that it looks great. However, if something were to go haywire long term, the treatment could be removed by laser.

And, omg, 2000 pounds for that shit?? It's extremely overpriced!

Yes, the initial cost is high and some think it is overpriced. However, HIS is generally considered to be the best in the business, and that level of service understandably comes at a premium. Also, HIS offers a one-year guarantee against fading, which covers unlimited sessions during the first year (if necessary). Some clients have had to return 5 or 6 times, and HIS never shys away from honoring their guarantee.

Personally, I have more of a problem with the price of touch-up fees than i do the initial cost.

 

[FIX MA HEED]

ionvasilache3, looking into that company. Another worrying fact is they have stolen at least 1 HIS photo and are using it on their site to fool people. I shall report this to his

 

[topccat29]

fix ma heed were you aware of the lymph node issue and smp.................did it concern if you were aware?

I know many who have had cancer and died...........many in fact had a great deal of money but what they lacked was knowledge.............so I agree balance is always better in many things.

I seriously believe micropigmentation and cancer will become synonymous in time.

I also believe we will eventually see the legal ads asking if you have had this procedure and have been diagnosed with cancer..............when your lymph nodes swell up after a procedure in my opinion it's time to worry. That's your body telling you something seriously wrong is going on. But an even bigger issue is the particle size and I hope there are no iron oxides in that pigment.............because that would be a very serious issue as far as the kidneys, spleen, and brain are concerned. I am being sincere here it really is playing with fire.


From Stanford University News

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How can tactics like these undermine the work of so many scientists? Proctor said: "There's a saying in the PR business that for every PhD there's an equal and opposite PhD. And if there's not one then you can create one through funding. And if you put a lot of money into manufacturing ignorance, it can actually work.

And here is the important point for the experts that work for forums they should take note.

"But if they were lying and if people actually believed their lies," Proctor said, "then the industry can be held liable because they were manufacturing a defective and fraudulent product."

 

[Coopman]

Stealing photos of results from other clinics websites and online forums is well known in the hair transplant community.
Romania I believe is part of the European Union. Be great if you guys from HIShair can provide an update in the future of the outcome of this.
Ionvas....
Sorry for not completing your name im writing this from my phone. Sorry to hear what you went through. I hope the future is brighter for you. Thanks for sharing your story, many people will benefit from you making your experience known.

 

[FIX MA HEED]

Um I noticed a couple people mentioning their nodes swelling up but did not hear of the cancer risk until you mentioned. There is a guy on this HIS forum who is very clued up, scientist if i remember correctly and he has been discussing this too. I have some rather large tattoos also so yeah makes me wonder. But then it was also mentioned that stress and depression can possibly cause cancer hmmm

if ink does cause lymph node cancer would actual tattoo's be worse than smp?

I also (well before SMP) had a problem with my lymph nodes in my neck. They blew up like balloons and i actually thought i had mumps or something. I was in so much pain and could not sleep or leave the house because i looked like the elephant man. Still have no idea why that happened but the doc said it was a build up of white blood cells, happened randomly over night.

 

[topccat29]

I will have to look for this scientist €™s post and see what he has written.

Regular tattoos have much of the ink locked up in the lower dermis SMP with is smaller particle size travels to the nodes, blood stream and brain much quicker and completely in most cases.

Heavy metals are especially bad for the brain...........think mad hatter and mercury, alzheimers and aluminum, cancer and iron



Post by Jess Ainscough

WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE INJECTING?
Way back in the day, traditional tribal tattoo marks were made using dyes from the natural environment. This is certainly not the case any more. While it €™s near impossible to say what €™s in all tattoo inks (they are all different, and disclosure of ingredients is not actually enforced), it €™s safe to say that most colours of standard tattoo ink are derived from heavy metals.

Mercury = red ink
Lead = yellow, green, white ink
Cadmium = red, orange, yellow ink
Nickel = black ink
Zinc= yellow, white ink
Chromium = green ink
Cobalt = blue ink
Aluminium = green, violet ink
Titanium = white ink
Copper = blue, green ink
Iron = brown, red, black ink
Barium = white ink
Other compounds used as pigments include antimony, arsenic, beryllium, calcium, lithium, selenium, and sulphur.
Tattoo ink manufacturers typically blend the heavy metal pigments and/or use lightening agents (such as lead or titanium) to reduce production costs.
Why are heavy metals such a problem? They bind in our bodies and are incredibly difficult to remove. They cause damage on a cellular level and contribute to cancer, Alzheimer €™s, dementia, autoimmune diseases, rheumatoid arthritis, and diseases of the kidneys, circulatory system, and nervous system.
Then there €™s the carrier solution, which most likely contains harmful substances such as denatured alcohols, methanol, rubbing alcohol, antifreeze, detergents, or formaldehyde and other highly toxic aldehydes.

 

[topccat29]

You see the SMP disappears into you brain, blood stream and organs. Many of these guys will just tell you don't worry about it, it will just disappear like your body is some type of garbage disposal....................it is complete 100% bullshit but they do not want you to know that.

Please take a step back and look at that forum................now read anything on cults..............it becomes almost the same when the conversation is mainly in one direction.............a cult that does not put up with dissent. You cheer each other on and become this brotherhood..............they like that.............but they are laughing behind the curtain.

One needs to step outside of the box and just observe..............observe and give it some thought. Same can happen on some HT forums as well and the members just become caught up in the wave and are unaware.

What are they injecting into your body..............standard response don't worry it's safe. We have not observed any adverse reactions with SMP nor has anyone developed cancer.

Don t worry they will tell you ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.it s organic ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..organic is a buzz word and I can tell you it doesn t mean diddly squat ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.. as horse shit is 100% organic would you inject that into your head.


(HealthDay) Complications linked to tattoos and tattoo inks include allergic reactions, serious infections, and reactions that can be mistaken for skin cancer, according to information presented at the annual meeting of the American Academy of Dermatology, held from March 1 to 5 in Miami Beach.


Noting that the composition of tattoo ink has changed over the years, Michi Shinohara, M.D., from the University of Washington in Seattle, and colleagues discussed the possible complications linked to ink used in newer tattoos, many of which contain organic azo dyes with plastic-based pigments

 

[FIX MA HEED]

I also have sak yant on my back which is a very special buddhist tattoo. You guys will lynch me if you knew what was "supposedly" in those inks LOL. Its applied with a long metal rod and not as deep as regular tattoos. Then again sak yant is for protection and good luck etc so maybe that will keep me from harm

 

[topccat29]

Here is a blurb on a cult a forum can and often does work the same way unless one stays aware.
Cults are actively looking for people at vulnerable times in their lives because it makes their task so much easier. A person whose world has just fallen apart is very susceptible to compliments, offers of help and the possibility of easy solutions to their enormous problems. Cult members are trained to be on the lookout for people in such situations because they are easy targets.

 

[topccat29]

Fix Ma Heed from just a quick overview of the SMP forum where you post the issue with lumps and swollen lymph nodes is real and it is acknowledged by those reading and running that forum. The sensible thing to do is for those tattooing heads is to advise customers of this issue as being a possibility beforehand. In fact FTC rules are very specific when marketing here in the USA at least. Honest and ethical hair transplant clinic advise patients of possible complications €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.micropigmentation, SMP, hair tattoo whatever name it goes by you are required to do exactly the same.

Omitting this information when advising a client is considered deception.


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[bullitnut]

Good thread this i like an open civilized discussion ¬b` ....Would also like to say welcome to the forum to all the new guys from the His site, I find all this SMP stuff fascinating myself and think it would be awesome if some of you could post your stories on here as well...... i personally think it would add a nice even balance to this section.
Best wishes BN

 

[topccat29]

I am still trying to understand what SMP lasting for 8-15 years in a patient with a healthy immune system means as stated on their website? Are they saying it lasts a shorter period of time without a healthy immune system?

Injecting metal oxides in this case just below the skin layer would actually start to depress the immune system so how does that work into the equation? Has anybody monitored their white blood cell count after one of these procedures? Does it spike then go back down to normal or does it stay elevated? These guys seem to be knowledgeable maybe they can answer these questions as it would be beneficial to those considering it.


Maybe some of the other experts can chime in €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦I can tell you without a doubt adding heavy metals to your system is very bad long term €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦in fact it is seriously bad just do some research. These are all long term effects and something that one will never be able to go back and prove.

I would also like to know now that it is common knowledge about the lumps and lymph node swelling issue will these outfits be notifying their customers during consultations moving forward?

Hair or hair dots for cancer or a systemic disease is not a good trade off €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.

 

[topccat29]

Here is the "stick with nutrition/fitness request but I prefer to pass on any type of good information.

June/2014

This is an interesting article and the reason being is that it is in TIME magazine. Most that knew the truth knew it well over 20 years ago. So if this is true what are the implications to those making the money not just in food but in medicine/pharmaceuticals? Note the subtitle driven by corporate greed. Chances are if someone in your family died of cancer or some inflammatory type disease such as heart disease etc it was simply due to corporate greed they knew and didn €™t €™ care. They simply conditioned you to believe what they needed you to believe in order to make money. This is what is called what goes around comes around and that is why it is best not to do it to others even on a hairloss message forum.

How you may ask is it possible to keep lies going for so long and even the really big ones. Simple, too many people making too much money. People are herd animals and easily led along and in my opinion what really works against them is the concept of social proof. If someone else is doing than it must be okay €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.maybe it €™s not okay €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..think for yourself.

Most that look at that beef fat in another thread and might look upon it as being completely bizarre but what are they basing their knowledge on. On extensive reading and research €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.on actual experience €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦no €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.they are basing it on social proof and false experts that are simply leading them along and the same applies to the field of hair transplantation. Making money does not make an expert, wanting to do the right thing goes much farther in making an expert on how things work and that has been my own observation in many areas.

BTW this is the type of information that should help drive you. Someone out there doesn €™t care about you or your children. If they get some disease and die or just live a life of sickness. They only care about making money.


June 12, 2014
The war on dietary fat may finally be over, as scientists now concede they were wrong to say saturated fat was unhealthy for the past four decades, Time magazine trumpeted. The admission vindicates the high-fat, low-carb ketogenic, Atkins, and Paleo diets, whose proponents have said all along that eating fat does not make you fat.
In a provocative cover story, Time said the 40-year demonization of saturated fat as the cause of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease was based on flawed data, citing a March 2014 Cambridge University study published in the Annals of Internal Medicine.
€œIt €™s not saturated fat we should worry about," said cardiologist Dr. Rajiv Chowdhury, lead author of the study. "It €™s the high-carb or sugary diet that should be the focus of dietary guidelines. €


Dr. Chowdhury joins a growing list of medical experts to dispel the myth that saturated fat is the cause of obesity, diabetes, high cholesterol, and cardiovascular disease. A high-carb diet €” particularly one high in sugar and refined carbs €” is to blame for these illnesses, he said.

Chowdhury and his colleagues drew their conclusions after reviewing data from 72 published studies of more than 600,000 people from 18 countries. Chowdhury is not the only heart doctor who holds this opinion. Cardiologist Dr. William Davis, author of Wheat Belly, said a low-carb, high-fat diet reverses type 2 diabetes and prevents heart disease.
'Anti-Fat Crusade Was Driven By Corporate Greed'

In October 2013, cardiologist Aseem Malhotra rocked the nutrition world with his declaration that saturated fat is good for you.

In a BMJ commentary, Dr. Malhotra said there's no evidence that unprocessed saturated fat causes heart attacks, obesity or diabetes. If anything, he said consuming healthy fats (like those found in grass-fed meat, nuts, coconut oil, butter, olive oil, salmon and avocados) protect against these diseases.

According to Malhotra, the anti-fat crusade stemmed from greed on the part of food corporations who profited from shilling their low-fat, high-carb snacks.
"The food industry has profited from the low-fat mantra for decades because foods that are marketed as low-fat are often loaded with sugar," he said. "We are now learning that added sugar in food is driving the obesity epidemic and the rise in diabetes and cardiovascular disease. €

Low-Carb Diets Curb Pro-Inflammatory Insulin Spikes

Investigative journalist Nina Teicholz agrees. The true cause of heart disease and weight gain is a high-carb, sugar-rich diet, said Teicholz, author of The Big Fat Surprise.
According to Teicholz, eating too much refined carbs and not enough unprocessed fat is what has led to the tsunami of overweight, diabetic, sick Americans.
Teicholz echoed the sentiments of science journalist Gary Taubes, who has long argued that fat has been wrongly blamed for causing obesity and other degenerative diseases. Taubes detailed his research in his No. 1 bestseller, Why We Get Fat.
According to obesity experts, a high-carb diet promotes disease and weight gain by causing pro-inflammatory spikes in blood glucose and blood insulin. By limiting those surges in blood sugar, we dramatically reduce inflammation, which is what fuels disease, they say.

Eating Fat Makes You Skinny and Healthy

Obesity expert Dr. Eric Westman said low-carb, high-fat eating plans like the ketogenic and Atkins diets not only spur rapid weight loss, but combat epilepsy, type 2 diabetes, and heart diseases.

Dr. Jeff Volek, author of The Art and Science of Low-Carbohydrate Living, told me the ketogenic diet can also improve mood and reduce inflammation. Volek said the LCHF ketogenic diet is beneficial both for elite endurance athletes and the average sedentary individual.

"There are very few people that a ketogenic diet could not help," said Dr. Volek, who has followed the ketogenic diet for the past 20 years.

Dr. Westman, director of the Duke University Obesity Clinic, has helped hundreds of morbidly obese individuals lose thousands of pounds on the ketogenic and Atkins diets. He is pleased that mainstream media is finally debunking the myth that eating fat makes you fat and sick. To the contrary, he said: Eating fat makes you skinny and healthy.
"I tell my patients not to fear the fat," said Dr. Westman, author of A New Atkins for a New You. "Eat lots of fat. Fat makes you feel full. There's no problem with fat. In fact, saturated fat €” the fat that we've been taught not to eat €” raises your good cholesterol best of all the foods you can eat."

 

[topccat29]

Below are 2 covers from TIME magazine. The first from 1984 and the second from 2014.

How could anyone be so wrong? Did sponsors have anything to do with it? Multi billion dollar statin drugs maybe? When the truth slowly creeps into room all of a sudden the truth seems to become very popular because as an information provider starts to lose viewers because they become more aware the information provider realizes that it €™s not working any longer. And the sponsors €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..maybe they were not honest or had any integrity to begin with so why would they care about the information provider as they slowly go out of business. We see the same thing with hair loss forums.

This specific issue fat/cholesterol had a 30-40 year reign €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦I say the hair tattoo will be less than 5 more years.

Honesty is not a sometimes thing €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦and the new shit (hair tattooing) is sometimes exactly the same as the old shit.

1984




2014

 

[topccat29]

You need to find honest people for good information and regardless of if it's a doctor, patient rep, forum or poster. Honesty has a clue and it's called history..............so go back and study the history and you will start to figure it out.

 

[Californication]

hairhair98 wrote:

Zero relevant evidence, zero ability to answer relevant questions... kids, this is what happens when you make a flawed argument. Game, set, and match. Anyone who makes it this far will be able to see right through you.

To those wondering about SMP, i encourage you to stop in at the HIS forum. There you will find actual feedback from hundreds of guys from ages 20 to 60. Dont take my word for it, read what they have to say.

p.s. i have an extensive diary there that you can read, if anyone wonders about my motives here.

Dude, just no.
Topcat is way off on the aesthetics point of the SMP and I'm glad you called him out on it but you're just as off base on the BIGGEST issue there is about the treatment: cancer. That IS a relevant point, the health concern is absolutely there, and for you to act like it isn't and just mindlessly suggest others get the treatment without considering this risk at least is actually more damaging than any anything topcat has done.
You need to consider the pros and cons as an individual and one of the cons which topcat has pointed out is potentially a very big con.