Do Not Tattoo Your Head

[hairhair98]

Californication wrote:

hairhair98 wrote:

Zero relevant evidence, zero ability to answer relevant questions... kids, this is what happens when you make a flawed argument. Game, set, and match. Anyone who makes it this far will be able to see right through you.

To those wondering about SMP, i encourage you to stop in at the HIS forum. There you will find actual feedback from hundreds of guys from ages 20 to 60. Dont take my word for it, read what they have to say.

p.s. i have an extensive diary there that you can read, if anyone wonders about my motives here.

Dude, just no.
Topcat is way off on the aesthetics point of the SMP and I'm glad you called him out on it but you're just as off base on the BIGGEST issue there is about the treatment: cancer. That IS a relevant point, the health concern is absolutely there, and for you to act like it isn't and just mindlessly suggest others get the treatment without considering this risk at least is actually more damaging than any anything topcat has done.
You need to consider the pros and cons as an individual and one of the cons which topcat has pointed out is potentially a very big con.

In my first reply to him (and in subsequent ones), i told him the cancer issue was a valid subject for discussion.

What you quoted me saying here concerned his refusal to answer/discuss the points i had been raising about everything else he was saying.

 

[Californication]

hairhair98 wrote:

Californication wrote:

hairhair98 wrote:

Zero relevant evidence, zero ability to answer relevant questions... kids, this is what happens when you make a flawed argument. Game, set, and match. Anyone who makes it this far will be able to see right through you.

To those wondering about SMP, i encourage you to stop in at the HIS forum. There you will find actual feedback from hundreds of guys from ages 20 to 60. Dont take my word for it, read what they have to say.

p.s. i have an extensive diary there that you can read, if anyone wonders about my motives here.

Dude, just no.
Topcat is way off on the aesthetics point of the SMP and I'm glad you called him out on it but you're just as off base on the BIGGEST issue there is about the treatment: cancer. That IS a relevant point, the health concern is absolutely there, and for you to act like it isn't and just mindlessly suggest others get the treatment without considering this risk at least is actually more damaging than any anything topcat has done.
You need to consider the pros and cons as an individual and one of the cons which topcat has pointed out is potentially a very big con.

In my first reply to him (and in subsequent ones), i told him the cancer issue was a valid subject for discussion.

What you quoted me saying here concerned his refusal to answer/discuss the points i had been raising about everything else he was saying.

fair enough we're on the same page then, i thought that was some other dude, hairkiller who said that, and I pretty much just signed up to say my piece because it was pissing me off how everyone seemed to be skirting the cancer issue.

 

[ionvasilache3]

Here's DAN ZARESCU from Bucharest doing scalp micropigmentation.
What do you think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEs-k7fhyz0

The scumbag is calling himself "an artist";;D

Nu va faceti micropigmentarea scalpului la DAN ZARESCU sau la clinica SLIMART Bucuresti. REzultatele sunt oribile, te alegi cu dare albastre in cap de care scapi foarte greu sau deloc.
DAN ZARESCU micropigmentarea scalpului clinica Slimart
Zarescu DAn micropigmentare tatuaj scalp Oron 57
Dan Zarescu micropigmentarea tatuajul cheliei scalp micropigmentation
clinica SLIMART hoti nu dau banii inapoi
Dan Zarescu e total imoral si urmareste doar castiguri usoare.

Ok, that was in Romanian to show in google results and prevent other guys go to this "artist".

And here is the scumbag's photo:
http://www.slimart.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/danzarescu.jpg
Run run run!

 

[topccat29]

I will tell you what I think. I think he is making very good money and I think young desperate guys are easy sells. Try to learn from you mistake is all you can really do at this point.

 

[topccat29]

Sometimes too much information is bad for business. I understand that, but the greater good is not seeing others harmed. Just because it happened to many of us doesn't mean it should happen to others. We should discourage others from making different but similar mistakes.

Just like many of the Acell reps seemed to be laughing at what they were selling to some of the ht clinics the ink guys are doing the same. And maybe stop calling your customers patients...............they are customers.

The blueish tint is hard to explain.

 

[topccat29]

Just got the chance to read the comments of a very long time poster and repair patient on another forum. The result is blue and blotchy. I think many of these patient are really hoping for the best and I understand their situation but this is what happens when not enough of those that have had equally bad results come forward and blast it on the forums. It €™ embarrassing €¦ €¦ €¦..yes I agree €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦but if you can save someone else then it €™s the lesser of 2 evils.

 

[topccat29]

I started working at a very young age and at 14 I worked as a material handler for a large factory. I was exposed to many chemicals back then as rubber gloves, face masks, etc were not use in the 1970 €™s. It was only after years of people coming forward with the consequences of all that changed. Did someone care if some kid was exposed to these chemicals, a responsible adult maybe €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.no €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦it becomes only about making money at the top.

It is now required to post the Material Safety Data Sheets for chemicals when others are exposed to them and this includes tattoo ink. Ask the tattoo outfit to give you those sheets and most are required by law €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..in fact scan it and post it here.


Simply say yes I trust you but I would like to see the MSDS sheet before having the procedure.

 

[Sparky]

I wouldn't tattoo my head, or anywhere else on my body, I think that is something that I would definitely regret and I already have too many of those piled up. It also worries me that the ink ends up in your lymph nodes!

 

[andy1900]

I couldn't agree more. I must admit, I was thinking that SMP tattooing was a good idea however TopCat has made some good points. I think its a disgrace how certain forums employ certain marketing tactics to persuade people to get a head tattoo. Don't trust internet forums as you don't know if they are real people or just employees pumping up the product.
These posts here should be read by anyone and everyone thinking about getting SMP Tattooing.

 

[hairhair98]

Andy just keep in mind that the only accurate points he made were that there is a possible link to cancer, and that bad clinics produce bad results. If those things make you change your mind, then it's perfectly understandable.

I would also keep in mind that other things that have been linked to cancer include: smoking, alcohol, grilled foods, cell phones, nonstick cookware, stress/depression. In other words, lots of things have been linked to cancer but the risk is not always significant.

If you are interested in learning more about SMP and cancer, here is a thread from the HIS forum that goes into more detail about how their ink compares to normal tattoo ink, and the risk involved.

http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/5707-tattoos-and-cancer/

In regards to everything else, TC certainly doesn't have any experience dealing with quality SMP clinics, so dont put too much stock into what he says beyond the points i mentioned above.

The HIS forums are filled with hundreds of diaries from real people in all age ranges, from all over the world... that's your best resource if you are interested in learning about SMP.

 

[hairhair98]

topccat29 wrote:

Finally, exposure to toxins found in pesticides, solvents and even black hair dye are associated with the development of lymphoma.

While most of what you have provided in regards to the cancer issue is credible, this is from an article on EHOW and i'm not sure that they are the best source for such a topic.


The NCI has this to say about black hair dye:

The evidence for increased risks of other cancers from hair dye use is limited and conflicting.

Based on its review of the evidence, IARC concluded that personal use of hair dyes is €œnot classifiable as to its carcinogenicity to humans €

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/hair-dyes

 

[Sparky]

Anything that even has a small chance of causing cancer isn't worth the risk in my opinion, there are cancer causing things that can not be avoided, but surely things that you don't need to do should be avoided.

I like a small amount of the results from smp and do think it looks good but if people have to do it, I would only advocate repair patients who already have a terrible quality of life because of people staring and their own feelings when they look in the mirror.

I think the chap who runs HIS, tattoo looks very false.

 

[Sparky]

P.S

This is my opinion and everyone else is entitled to theirs.

 

[topccat29]

The cancer is a side issue.

I think most of it looks bizarre..............but I understand others have a different opinion.

I do not smoke, drink or use a cell phone. I do not use teflon cookware but high grade ceramic coated pans. I slow cook most of my food and when I do grill it's to brown one side slightly for flavor while the rest of it is basically raw beef.

Every little thing matters and it becomes a personal choice.

Absolutely true story my wife told me this morning. One of her customers was handing out $100 bills to people yesterday..................anybody and everybody.......................he is dying from cancer with no hope.................sometimes money doesn't mean shit but many realize that before it's too late. Young guys do not deserve to have cancer later in life because they were desperate for hair and someone was there to give them bad advice.

Another one of my wife's customers died last week from cancer of the Esophogus. Mid 40's with 3 kids. The doctors told him he was stage 4 about 1 year ago and there was no hope. My opinion differs but it was not my business to get involved.............but I really wish I could have helped him with some of what I know.

I think the hair tattoo is very bad advice.

 

[topccat29]

I also believe scalp reductions, hair lifts, 4 mm plugs, mini/micro grafts and flaps all look bizarre and it does not matter if you go to the top outfit performing the procedure as the procedure is severely flawed just like your SMP. So why did guys have all these flawed procedures in the past. Why ask yourself that question why? Because all it takes is a little desperation meeting a few greedy people with no conscience or ethics to convince them.

As I wrote earlier, forums can become cult like if one does not become a little detached. Understand what you are reading and where it is coming from.

As far as the importance of health over hair a good reminder for me would be the former poster and forum owner known as Eternal Hope. When one €™s health becomes an issue the hair does not matter and that never changes. Risking health for a bizarre looking procedure hawked by those looking to line their pockets is a bad idea. Getting rid of a blue head or one big blob of ink stain over time on top of your head is not an easy task.

 

[topccat29]

Why would someone have something injected into their head that was never approved to be used in such a way in hopes of generating hair and meanwhile we find out the reps selling the stuff to the HT clinics have been laughing their asses off?



Why would someone travel so far to have some doctor inject some type of stem cells into his head only to have is immune system compromised?


Why do guys go for hair multiplication that has been going on 10 years now with zero proof?



It €™s called desperation and many as hard as it is to believe will prey on this as it is very easy to take advantage of. And when you point out most of this over the years the ones selling the crap would like to label those disagreeing as being negative. Well that is their job otherwise they can €™t sell their crap.

When the truth slowly comes out these same clinics remain silent and just move on to selling the next big thing....................that is what happens when you do not possess skill you are just looking for the next thing to sell.

 

[IanD]

Call it what you want Topcat. I appreciate your opinion even if I dont agree with it.
All I know is what I've learnt from my own experience. And that is - life was shit and depressing before I had SMP.
Now, for the first time since I was 17, I feel so much better about myself and hairloss is not on my mind 24/7 like before. And not a single person close to me knows I've had it done. The only comment that keeps getting annoying is "Why don't you grow your hair out just a bit?"

 

[topccat29]

IanD I can respect your opinion and maybe short term it is the lesser of 2 evils. But long term I am fairly certain it will become a problem. I have nothing to gain or lose stating my opinion except giving others a chance to take a look at the flip side of the coin and another view.

Everyone needs to make their own decision. I just do not care for this cheerleading too much in one direction as young guys are desperate and act without thinking and this might not be the best choice for them.

It's like some of these clinics. They see one guy using Acell and so they feel they need to hop on board the wagon because it seems like a good idea. They are no different then the patients sometimes...............just acting without thinking. Same goes with the tattooing. Instead of becoming better at at the art of hair transplantation it's easier to just add some tattooing to the mix or your own brand of hair fibers or whatever seems to be popular.

In the food and beverage industry it's called upselling. Would you like to try our fabulous appetizer before your meal and how about a bottle of wine as opposed to the glass as you can both share etc. It's fine and works well there but in medical related issues is seems bizarre to me.

If you would have told me 10 years ago doctors would be tattooing the heads of patients I would have laughed. C'mon a doctor tattooing some guy's head..............no way a doctor would do that..................but that's the thing about money for many people............it does something strange to them...................it's like their brain goes crazy and they start adding numbers in their head with a gleam in their eye.

 

[hairhair98]

I think most of it looks bizarre

Except for when it's done properly, in which case you have described it as looking really good.

I also believe scalp reductions, hair lifts, 4 mm plugs, mini/micro grafts and flaps all look bizarre

How about spraying concealer on your head, do you think that looks bizarre? Do you think young women would laugh at a guy if they found out he spraypainted his hair on with a can?

Or are the things you do immune to similar criticism?

Understand what you are reading and where it is coming from.

Yes this is important.

For instance, in this case the advice against having SMP is coming from someone that has no experience with reputable SMP clinics/forums, has never seen quality work in person, frequently brings up his upcoming book about the hairloss industry, and promotes a specific HT surgeon.

 

[topccat29]

Sorry hairhair but I can €™t agree with you on the look of SMP. Some may look better than others but overall I think it all looks bizarre. You like it and that is good for you.

Yes we agree both SMP and concealer are both absolute shit. Concealer would be the lesser evil of the two, I would never suggest anyone use it unless they have no choice to cover scars with a minimal amount. Certainly better than injecting pigment into your head.

You have guys with blue heads on your own site are you denying this?

The problem with guys like you is over time when the truth finally comes out and enough guys have been damaged you will be gone. It happens like clock work over and over in this industry. Your business model will not last so the goal is to make as much as possible in a very short period of time €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.I get it