Do Not Tattoo Your Head

[hairhair98]

topccat29 wrote:

I think maybe you harbor some type of angry feelings after reading about how the lady called you the little bald boy or something like that....................so maybe you feel defensive about the whole thing................I don't know.

Interesting how you say this, even though in the very next paragraph i literally explained why i didn't hold it against her, partly because i was probably guilty of doing the same thing.

Typical behavior from you... take something out of context and use it to demean someone/something, even though the truth is the opposite. Same thing you've been doing here all along... no big deal.

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I learned to observe the ht industry for a very long time before I proceeded with a repair."

Yet again you sidestep the issue, whether intentional or unintentional who knows.

I wasn't talking about your repairs, i specifically said i was talking about the procedures that were mistakes. That was the whole point of what i said... that you chronically exhibited bad judgement over the years. Basic logic would say that someone who didn't repeatedly misjudge such things would likely deliver a more accurate analysis of cosmetic procedures as opposed to someone that did.

It doesn't even really matter, it was just an attempt to get you to realize the hypocrisy of telling me and others that we are naive or ignorant when you have a history of being the same or worse.

It's no big deal though, because you are always going to be right (and i know how important that is to you), whether it's because you can't understand the point, or because you perpetually sidestep/ignore it.

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That alone was a span of 10 years. By then I knew exactly what type of procedure I wanted because it was the best in my opinion and stood the test of time and I knew who I wanted to have it performed by regardless of what it took to get there.

Yes, it sounds like you did very thorough research about HT's and i'm sure you are very knowledgeable about them. It looks like it paid off, as you have received good work with your last procedure.

You know what you aren't knowledgeable about? SMP. It's amusing to me that you believe 2 weeks time spent googling 'bad smp results' is sufficient enough for you to start a crusade against it, while presenting yourself as an expert on the subject. And not only that, you feel justified in dismissing those that HAVE researched it for years as naive or predatory. The difference between you and I is that i keep my ego in check when it comes to giving others advice, and i am not closed minded enough to label people that ARE experts as the enemy just because they rebut claims i make.

Guys looking to this thread for help in evaluating SMP will look at your postcount, your '29 year' thing, your other input about HT's, your constant self-aggrandizing, etc., and will assume that you really know what you are talking about... but the truth is you have very little experience with SMP, and ZERO experience with quality SMP treatments. And while you are entitled to your opinion, and have the right to let others receive it, they shouldn't consider it from an informed source... because it isn't.

 

[topccat29]

Of course I still disagree with you but thanks for some laughs...............Dr Evil..........lol.............

I think SMP, hair tattoo, ink dots, blue blob is still crap but I get it you like it. Like everything else, Gho, Nigam, Bazan, HM, Acell, time is the true test in what is viable and what is horseshit. Those that promote horseshit deserve to have zero business in my opinion but if someone wants to sign up that's up to them. We should all sign up for Aminofix now.............well because a doctor says so....................please. I suggest those reading to be very cautious in whatever you do and if you do decide to go for the hair dots just do a test on the arm with 25 and evaluate it for a couple of years. Doing the whole head dot thing is asking to be disfigured in my opinion and paying for the privilege.

Real doctors do not inject toxic pigments into a person's head only carnival barkers looking to drum up some more business to that. I think it's disgraceful absolutely disgraceful and pathetic but that is only my opinion. Maybe I am wrong and it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

The real problem is that those that are damaged usually just fade into the night and that is what keeps the cycle going.

The first bad hair tattoo I observed was about 12 years ago and not 2 weeks. It was a nice shade of blue.

And I wasn't trying to demean you but simply making a point. Young guys think that having hair is going to change people from often times being rude and insulting. Hair does not change that only a strong person that does not tolerate being humiliated changes that and one should work on that first before ever trying to work on any issues with hair at least in my opinion. Sure if it's innocent then just let it go. You can call me Dr. Evil and I can laugh about it you should take what I write the same way and just laugh at it.

Tattooing dots on the head will be a very short business cycle in my opinion so they need to grab as much as they can as fast as they can. Look for explosive growth but also look for the same in an explosive nose dive as the cycle ends.

 

[hairhair98]

topccat29 wrote:

I think it's disgraceful absolutely disgraceful and pathetic but that is only my opinion. Maybe I am wrong and it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Fair enough. Time will tell.

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I suggest those reading to be very cautious in whatever you do and if you do decide to go for the hair dots just do a test on the arm with 25 and evaluate it for a couple of years.

Yes this is good advice.

HIS offers a test patch option for a small fee, where they will apply a small scattering of dots in an inconspicuous area... this way the client can evaluate any negative physical reactions, as well as color/shade issues, without doing the entire head. It's a great way for people to test the waters before going all the way.

 

[topccat29]

A test patch I can definitely agree with...........evaluate it over time and make a better decision.

 

[topccat29]

Recent posting on the SMP only forum. "Sore lumps on head" that is your body telling you something and yes it will go away, hopefully..................it's the long term implications one should consider.

Whenever you put a burden on the body there is a breaking point. For some that breaking may be a long ways off or might not occur at all and for some that breaking point can come much sooner.

Genetically how much can your body take? How much exposure to a burden before it breaks? It becomes a gamble..............if cancer runs in your family's genetic code.........meaning you are more prone to the disease then it's in your best interest to avoid this procedure in my opinion.

 

[topccat29]

Hopefully this thread and some of the information posted here will help some young man. I wish there was someone that could have helped me in such a way a very time long ago. But much better to use that terrible experience for some very, very positive which is helping young men to avoid going down a road that can be potentially disastrous. Most especially in the long term, simply because they lacked information.

It €™s all about information. Good, bad, or indifferent. Soak it all up, read it all as the more you have the better off you will be.


Absolutely every regret expressed by hair transplant patients comes down to not having enough information. In each and every case, 100% of the time it is the regret of not knowing.

 

[topccat29]

When you see a new company working too hard, too fast......................that's a red flag.

 

[Baldy Bunnet]

topccat29 wrote:

When you see a new company working too hard, too fast......................that's a red flag.

While I disagree with an awful lot of what you have said in this thread about SMP, I couldn't agree more about this

 

[topccat29]

We don €™t have to agree €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦that would be boring.

It €™s interesting to watch the fight for market share of what is going to be a very tiny window of opportunity before most of the damage starts to surface and it all goes kaput.

Do people really buy the patriot angle €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..and the do business with a US company?

Does that really work?

What I see is more of a Morrie wig clip from the movie Goodfellas. It all looks kind of corny to me but what do I know about marketing €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦not much. I see something different €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦a culture driven by greed €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦with plenty of arrogance as a side dish so I wouldn't use that angle and maybe slow the pitch down a tad.


Baldy you are one of probably only a few that even know what I am referring to................why is that................one would have to read the forums religiously or work in the industry. I'm the former................which are you?

 

[februaryp]

Doing too much too soon is a common critique of many different business types, although i would especially be wary of it in this industry.

BTW the company you are referring to is pushing the USA angle because their main competitor is a UK based company. I wouldn't think that would make much of a difference to people getting this done, but you never know i guess.

 

[topccat29]

It looks like a bad used car commercial to me and that is my honest opinion.

Not sure what others see but I would imagine a very desperate mostly young person might see something different. In fact I'm sure they would.

What really bothers me about it is that I find it to be predatory and you build a long term business model by doing the right thing...............many in the hairloss business would rather make the quick buck.

 

[Baldy Bunnet]

topccat29 wrote:

Baldy you are one of probably only a few that even know what I am referring to................why is that................one would have to read the forums religiously or work in the industry. I'm the former................which are you?

Definitely not someone who works in the industry topccat, I can assure you of that.
The reason why I know what you are referring to is because I have the unfortunate experience of having been stung before. In 2007 I was young, naive and desperate and ended up panicking and getting a very shoddy hair transplant. I didn't do enough research, I picked a clinic simply based on how close it was to home and how easily I'd be able to get it done without my friends and family noticing what I'd done. How stupid. I've learned my lesson and that's why I agree with the point you made

 

[topccat29]

Yes Baldy it €™s hard to read these postings on the various forums where guys go to the doctor that is in town. The chances of the guy in town being top notch is very low, not impossible but low.


It is also probably the single hardest thing to do when planning a hair transplant but one of the most important and that is to travel to the location where the doctor that one believes is of top caliber is performing his/her work.

It €™s better for most of these guys to just keep waiting until they can work it out in their head. In the battle between the easy choice and the hard choice the easy choice usually wins out and if their desperation level is high enough the need for a quicker answer draws them even more towards the easy choice.

BTW there are so many in the industry that work these forums in subtle ways with various screen names that I tend not to believe much of what I see but do find much of it interesting. I don €™t always state that but that is what I see €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.no offense.

 

[Baldy Bunnet]

None taken.

It makes me sick that those guys will have butchered thousands of others like me since 2007 and will continue to do so. Nothing wrong with being sceptical, wish I had been back then.

For the record, I've had SMP done to camouflage the HT scar and while I agree it isn't the perfect hair loss solution, it is by far the best one for me and I'm happy I did it.

 

[topccat29]

Baldy as long as you are better off than that is what counts.

I still believe fue back in the scar either from scalp, beard or body and then growing the hair to an acceptable short length is the long term solution. Many of the guys with strip scars want to shave their head which in my opinion is an unreasonable goal. Short and tight is within reach for many.

And guys that want to shave their head should in fact just do that shave their head and not put ink dots all over it. Just get some color by spending some time out in the Sun. It's healthy and raises serotonin levels quickly so in the end you might be happier.

I think what many of the young guys don't seem to understand is that if you are not a candidate for hair restoration it's not the end of the world. Confidence can be had in many ways............just by being really good at something can give one confidence.

And as far as people making derogatory comments I can tell them this. If someone feels intimidated by another they always remain very polite so maybe they need to understand that concept better. Doesn't mean you need to beat people over the head it's kind of like a silent understanding.

Speaking of tattoos 4 guys here in Chicago just beat a couple of guys up on the train and one had a machete and sliced open some head. What was unique about these attackers is they all had neck tattoos and 2 of them face tattoos. I would describe these guys as out of shape marshmallow type individuals but what made them intimidating to onlookers are the tattoos. I'm not saying get a neck tattoo but what I'm am saying is the tattoo in this case says "I don't care what happens" and most people are afraid of this type of person and they would be the last type of person anyone would comment to on their hairloss. There is a message in there for young guys and it's if it's not hairloss it will be something else because maybe people don't care what they say to you they have no respect for you with or without the hair.

Anyway just rambling.

 

[timuk]

tc...

I'm sort of lost on this thread, but get where you are coming from..

As for image... It's taken me one horrendous early 90's crap ht, trying a hair system for one day (another mistake) repair 6 years ago .. and 6 years on meds to realise that hair is not the be and end all..... My mates that went bald and just shaved down have all got good lives etc etc.. and have had less agro in their lives than I have trying to keep my hair !!

If I had know then what I know now I would have shaved short and got on with life.... all the effort and money spent trying to keep my locks could have gone on far better things...
Getting to the point I am trying to add... I think anyone under 30 should be turned away from any type of surgery etc for hair loss.... Maybe try meds... but that's it...
I have been scared since I was around 26... Ain't good
Ps.. Loved the testimony to prove a penis is small bit.... Very wrong in what they did... but amusing all the same..

Cheers

Tim

 

[topccat29]

You lost me on the penis bit comment...................lol..............not sure what that is about.

Tim I would disagree with you on the over 30 age requirement. The real problem is that you have only a handful of doctors that are skilled and ethical along with being able to use small hand punches. If we both knew what we know now and this technique was offered back then we more then likely would have had a better long term result because we would have been given good advice. In fact that is the point of having an advisor to help advise the patient and not to go on some image marketing campaign in order to enrich oneself..................those are in fact the guys to stay away from.

The fact is you have a endless supply of desperate customers and a majority of doctors that simply can't offer what the top doctors are offering so instead they tell you about robots, acell and whatever other crap they got to get themselves some market share as the fue is a crap low yield technique argument no longer works for them or the forums that were also pursuing that campaign.

It's up to the patients to figure it all out because no one is going to tell you. And if you look at what many in the industry say and do over time well that does make it easier to figure out but unfortunately most need to act quickly out of desperation and so they get what they get.

Take a look at Fred he picked a doctor that is part of that handful of highly skilled using the small hand punch. Fred has not been damaged in any way. Even if the hair didn't grow he would still be perfectly fine..........he would not be damaged maybe no hair but certainly not harmed. But his hair is coming in great early on. He is lucky in many ways as he lives in Belgium so it makes it much easier for him then most. as traveling to where the doctor is just becomes to difficult for most Of course there are doctors outside of Belgium who make up part of that handful but the number of them in Belgium is really astounding if one thinks about it.

 

[timuk]

topccat29 wrote:

The resistance to refunds reached comic extremes. The dry description of 6th Circuit Appeals Court Judge Danny Boggs illustrated the lengths to which Berkeley would go to avoid returning cash: "At one point, Enzyte customers seeking a refund were told they needed to obtain a notarized document indicating that they had experienced 'no size increase.' The admittedly ingenious idea behind the policy was that nobody 'would actually go and have anything notarized that said that they had a small penis.' In 2002, 'there was really no refund policy. It was: Sorry, you got it, you keep it, and we'll cancel you off of future shipments.' "

Penis comment above
Your right about the age 30 comment... guess I was not thinking straight... guys can have their lives messed up at any age...
I am now 48... having thinned out over the past 6 months I can now see my old HT plugs... and have the same thought about them as I did when I had it done 23 years ago..
A procedure that left no trace even if nothing grew would have been a godsend to me... but cant cry over spilt milk.. just got to try and cover it up

 

[topccat29]

Oh yeah Tim I forgot about that little blurb. They used a character named €œSmiling Bob € as their spokesmen.

This is exactly what goes on with many that work in the hair transplant industry they are laughing and smiling. These young guys need to understand a good majority are not ethical and honest because they have no choice, they simply do not have what it takes to be part of the small handful offering something superior so they work hard at offering something subpar. Just like those customers of Enzyte many ht patients will be too embarrassed to say too much about a poor result or something that did not meet their expectations.

Look at what many in the industry (clinics, reps, forum owners) have been promoting over the last 10 years. Neograft,robots, tattooing, Acell, super mega strip, hair plucking, etc. Yet they rarely ever spoke about those using the tiny hand punch and when they did it was always the same refrain. Low yield and massive damage to the donor which was true with the majority of doctors that tried it but they left one little detail out. The small handful of those that were highly skilled and were showing result after result they never spoke about those doctors. So they were all quite comfortable misleading young guys.

Are these marketers looking out for you? Do they care about you? It €™s very easy to still get caught up in what many are marketing in order for them to keep profiting but many prospective patients are figuring it and that is what helps change an industry and not some big industry meet up where the guy elected president has actually damaged thousands of lives and did it knowingly. Change does not happen there.

And these reps that are constantly honing their image care mostly just about that their image and how they can profit further from building it up into something that it really is not. This is in fact why they work so hard at it. Real image is built by what you do and not what 10 media outlets say you do because somehow you got they to say it or give you some type of endorsement. Young guys and those surfing the Internet need to understand this.
Let €™s not leave out donor sealing, slathering the body with Minoxidil, and mega body hair session among a very, very long list over just last 10 years alone. The many tell these young guys more about what suits their own needs and not what suits the patient €™s needs.

It kind of like handing out candy. Everyone loves candy and it €™s all positive but the truth is too much candy rots your teeth and feeds cancer and it €™s okay to say that so others can make better decisions.

Many of these marketers should put down the candy and let the little boy go. A wolf in sheep €™s clothing is still in fact a wolf and the latest tattoo outfit looks like a pace of wolves to me.

 

[timuk]

Unfortunately Topcat its the world we live in... money drives too many people who don't care what damage they do along the way..

I am assuming most if the guys on here are all too well qualified in the emotional effect hair loss has, like I was..... and for those people that are offering a "cure", if they sell themselves right, come across as a saviour..

I know that the salesman that sold me my first HT felt like my friend and saviour, offering me a solution to my worry and depression... I almost felt like hugging the guy because I felt so grateful..... it was not long after that I felt like stabbing the guy...

His comments about their techniques being able to give me hair as if mother nature had reversed my hair loss are laughable now... but to a guy in his mid 20's desperate for help they seemed like a lifeline...

Could go on and on... no real point...

Cheers

Tim