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FUT vs FUE : yield and density

topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Yes ziggs makes a good point younger guys simply do not want that linear scar as the hair styles are now much shorter than in the recent past and most are not interested in a hairstyle from the 70 €™s/80 €™s.

Let me please add a few additional thoughts on why I believe FUE is the best way to start for most guys especially those that are younger. You can go in and have a very small procedure say 500 or less even if you have to pay some type of minimum you can still go in and have that much smaller procedure. Now there are some in the industry who would state that this will not make a cosmetic difference so it €™s both a waste of time and money. The point they are missing is that it is not necessarily for cosmetic improvement but simply an insurance plan that you have chosen the right clinic and that you now fully understand what surgical hair restoration entails. Shave it down after a year and take a look. Can you deal with what you see and can you envision having more work performed in your mind. If you can see it in your mind then chances are you will have realistic expectations going forward. Alternatively you might decide that this is not something you want to pursue and chances are you will still be in a position to walk away without having been damaged. This helps to keep you safe and places you in a position that is empowering. If you choose wrong and you have had a larger procedure you can easily become trapped having to go back again to that same clinic €¦ €¦ €¦not a good position to be as it is often out of desperation and weakness and very often does not end well.

Another very good reason to start with FUE, most young guys tend to concentrate on the frontal 1/3 as that is usually where their hair loss starts. FUE allows for thinner caliber hairs to be cherry picked from the periphery of the donor area offering a higher chance that the hairline will appear natural. Some techniques even with FUE like to harvest from a square box at the back of the head. That €™s a mistake in my opinion as one needs to harvest very often outside that box in order to extract just the right hairs. Same goes for placement. The technician needs to understand that those thinner hairs need to go into the hairline zone which can easily be seen with a set of human eyes.

Strip can do well at times but very often since hair transplantation can €™t achieve original density and can take on a see through appearance in certain lighting the thicker caliber of those hairs coming from that dense donor area of the occipital zone stand out and often catches the eye of the casual observer as something not being right. They just can €™t figure it out so they tend to stare and a good number of hair transplant patient would agree. But please don €™t misunderstand strip with a patient that has the right hair characteristics can do very well but I believe FUE has that slight edge when it comes to hairlines and that edge matters more than most may believe in my opinion.

What I have found to be true as a general observer is that as the balding process starts not only does the area thin but the caliber of hair thins as well and others I €™m sure would agree. With this in mind having see through hair in certain types of lighting can work well and look normal but only if the caliber of the hair is thinner at the hairline zone and slightly behind it. If it is thick it simply stands out as hair transplant and the same reason beard hair can €™t be used in the hairline. Makes more sense to move from thinner to thicker density while also using thinner to thicker caliber hair in the frontal 1/3 of the balding area. Most young guys believe they need this dense placement at the hairline. I think those that believe this have got it wrong. Not only is it not sustainable it often can look odd. It appears odd and this bears repeating because often times the caliber is simply too thick. I also believe sometimes the patient €™s mind plays a trick on them and what they are actually seeing and the solution they have in their mind when it doesn €™t look right is often wrong. It €™s not more hair they need it hair that is of a thinner caliber.

I believe some patients start to understand some of these points when it €™s a little too late and they are standing under a strong beam of light. Anyway just a few thoughts and something to consider. If someone has researched long enough and they want strip I would say go for it €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.everyone should do what they believe is best.

This post is for readers, simply thoughts to ponder as others will disagree. If it makes sense then hopefully it will be of benefit if not then simply dismiss it as not sounding credible.

For those that like to experiment I would suggest the following, although not perfect it does kind of give you an idea I what I am trying to explain here.

Apply mascara to only your hairline area. It should become thicker and darker €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..assess it. Alternatively apply some honey to your hairline area and snip off some hairs from the occipital zone. Apply these hairs to the area where the honey has been placed €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦assess how well it matches. Does it all blend together well? Some in the industry might say that this is ridiculous €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..maybe they don €™t want you to try it €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦doesn €™t hurt. I can tell you to try this and you will not be harmed and I will sleep very well.

This is not a perfect test but understand hair transplantation is not simple. Not only does it take skill but it takes vision. The doctor needs to be able to look at something in a short amount of time and visualize it. Will it work? Can he/her make it all blend together seamlessly? I believe this to be a very unique skill.
 
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FUE GUY

valued member
I can understand younger guys opting for fue to avoid a linear scar especially with the the hairstyles that usually have shaven back and sides. However other factors need to be addressed here.

Age groups.
18 to 25. They want the shorter styles. Doctors are reluctant to operate and advise to wait. Fue more appropriate.


26 to 34. Usually more settled in life (settling down) Hair loss pattern more predictable.
Not as interested in following fashionable hair styles and happy to have hair. Candidate for both procedures.


35 and over. Usually have a family, keep their hair longer and good candidate for Fut.


Finally what is the average age of a hair transplant patient. I`d guess its the 35 and over bracket who don`t want to shave their heads, they want hair to style.


Topccat29. If Dr Bisanga gave a patient the option of 3000 fue or 3000 fut which procedure do you think will produce the best yield and density for the patient? Lets presume the patient will have a pencil thin fut scar so it won`t be an issue and he never intends to shave his head.
 
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FutureFue

Valued member
I would be interested in SL's answer to that question....my feeling is FUT. Dr Lindsey feels if you take the same patient and same doc, everything else being equal FUT will yield at least 40% better density than the corresponding FUE with the same number of grafts.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Future 40% better density €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦no disrespect but I find that absolutely laughable and when a doctor makes that type of statement with all the evidence available then one must assume they are strictly speaking about their own skill when it comes to FUE. That is the same type of statement that might have angered me in the past because I think young desperate guys are easily misled. Becoming angry was and is very foolish on my part. It €™s not necessary if guys want to listen great if not then hopefully it works out for you and you should choose what you think is best. I can only help people that want to listen.

I can €™t speak for the clinic FUE GUY and I have not had any 3000 graft procedures. My own experience with smaller procedures is that the yield was near 100% in my opinion and that is easy to see by the pictures I have posted in the past. Judging by the ample proof posted to the forums by not only BHR but a few other clinics that same number or something close to it applies. One must clearly understand only a handful of clinics can achieve this.


I would like to add a point to this thread which I don €™t understand. It appears to me that there is this anger among some doctors/clinics out there with FUE yet the market clearly is heading in that direction and it is certainly not going back. Many of those same clinics could have possibly mastered the skill over the last 15 years but of course that would have required some sacrifice. Many chose to keep doing what they were doing which is all fine in my opinion. But why become so angry about it now if it was a bad long term decision. Personally I think the resentment has more to do with being forced to do now something they chose not to do in the past if they are to remain in business. Many don €™t like that so they do become resistant.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
FUE GUY I perform quite a bit of research outside of the hair loss industry in order to better understand the hairloss industry itself. It would be wise in my opinion for others to do the same. Sometimes the answers you want can €™t come from the industry itself.

I read a quote by author Robert Greene recently and I would say it can often apply to the hair transplant industry.

Good strategists keep sensitive antennae attuned to the politics of any situation. Politics is the art of promoting and protecting your own interests. You might think it was largely a question of parties and factions, but every individual is, among other things, a political creature seeking to secure his or her own position. Your behavior in the world always has political consequences, in that the people around you will analyze it in the terms of whether it helps or harms them. To win the battle at the cost of alienating potential allies or creating intractable enemies is never wise.

Taking politics into account, you must figure out your grand strategy with a mind to gaining support from other people €¦..to creating and strengthening a base.

I believe this applies to the hair transplant industry in general except for a few poor politicians and much can be learned from them. Understanding this concept is important when performing research, at least in my opinion and others will disagree. Always good to take in all views and most importantly form you own opinion.
 
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Jack34

Member
My first hair transplantation was in 2010, with strip extraction method. I was promised that the scar would be small, it would not be visible and I would be able to cover it with my hair. At that time, theoretically 2,000 grafts were extracted. This procedure had some result, but not nearly the kind I expected for my money. A 22 cm long and 1.3 cm high cut remained from ear to ear. I am not lying when I say that I became somewhat mentally injured by this FUT procedure. My co-workers were constantly bothering me with this, they mocked me by calling me SCAR-HEAD. So, until then I was only disturbed by balding, after it there was also a huge FUT cut on my head. On the second occasion, at the PHAEYDE Clinic 8,000 pieces of hair were transplanted, 6,500 to the top and 1,500 into the rear-strip in 2 days. The top of my head became much better, in summary I am satisfied with it. Unfortunately, from among the hairs located in the back side not so many grew out, because of the scar, since supposedly the blood supply of the scar tissue there is insufficient. I still have to go back for some densification, but my scar tissue is not so visible any more, and now only those notice it who know that I have had such a procedure. I personally would not recommend the FUT procedure to anybody.
 
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