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Scalp Pigmentation to add density

timuk

timuk

My member is cooler than NN's
Hi Salvar..

Thank you for the rough cost guide... but it was out of curiosity more than anything...

It's possibly something I would look into later on... am currently back on propecia and Rogaine having stopped them for around 5 months and lost quite a bit of hair...going to give them a good year to see what happens... if I'm not happy I may take you up on your offer....

I do think the patient looks good though...

Tim
 
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Baldy Bunnet

Valued member
I don't doubt for a minute that Vinci produce excellent SMP results, I've seen plenty on here and other forums. I just think in this case that the photos do not look genuine for whatever reason, I do not know why.
Study the guy's hairstyle been the two photos and try to spot the difference in the way it is styled - absolutely none at all.
The photos may well be genuine but I think it is extremely unlikely that his hair would be styled exactly the same as it is here, not a single hair out of place from the before photo.
 
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februaryp

Member
I have to agree, this looks very suspicious. Are the photos supposed to be from different days, or the same day?

Even if they were from the same day, he would have had to restyle his hair and every single hair is the same in each picture. Even the loose hairs sticking out from the back of his head look exactly the same.

As baldy said, vinci produces good results... but it seems a miracle to me that this guy could restyle his hair and get every single hair in the same position.
 
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jonzi

Valued member
Such an obvious case of photoshopping.

Cant believe this is left without comments.



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I have contacted the clinic regarding the pictures, Salvar explained he was trying get new pictures.
Bm.
The pictures are questionable. They do look exactly the same. We will see what the new pictures show.
Bm.
 
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IanD

Valued member
Do you have anymore after shots of this Salvar? Just to prove it's not photoshopped...
I agree, it does look suspect and makes me cynical about all their photos now.

The strange thing is - I've no idea why they would photoshop this, SMP can produce similar results when done by a skilled person.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Other than the tone of the skin being different what would make one believe this is photoshopped, what are the clues? This would be great information for the casual observer.

I have noticed in the past in hair transplantation that there was one clinic in particular, very well known that would put some type of filter over there after pictures, almost like a cloudy film to make everything blend well together. Yes it looked nice but it was not reality. This same clinic/rep would tell patients to post blurry photos if they were pressed by others? This is also the same reason why if someone does not present post op photos or just does not come back there usually is a good reason. They can €™t because it looks like complete crap. Even reps have not come back to show their results €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.how insane is that?

Salvar if you reply to this thread €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦what happened to Carl Counts €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..he didn €™t come back. It €™s almost like we have to be pricks to get an honest answer which makes us look bad when we are only looking for the truth.


Where are the large up close high definition well lighted photos of the hair dots?

 
salvar

salvar

Valued member
Some of these comments don't deserve a reply, doubt if you like and ask for information, that`s fine, but try to keep it on a reasonably intellectual level.

I have contacted the technician that did this procedure asking for the client to be contacted and more photos posted to proof that the photos are from a real and not some computer artistry so hopefully I will get these and can silence those who doubt these.

I try to pick out a few images every now to post on our website and other location, I personally take every one of these images and don't know a lot of the clients like it is in this case. It seems that people in this forum tend to get suspicious if you don`t have 12 images from as many angles all in high resolution and etc.. the technicians taking the images are not photographers so quality will vary, most clients are not keen on coming back in for photos so quality will be different from one case study to another.

IanD, if you doubt our results look at our videos (which I suppose cant be photoshopped) or visit a clinic where you can see a client in real life, that`s the easiest way to assure you that our results are real.

Topcat, to answer your questions directly:
Carl Counts is still a work in progress the last time I heard from him, I am only sharing this because he has already shared some of his experiences here on the forum, obviously, I wouldn't do that under any other circumstances. He has a very difficult scar tissue that is very resistant to the pigment so has needed more sessions then what we usually need, I hope we can get some update on that soon.


Not all pigmentation is done with "dots", we often use a magnum type needle that works like a brush on the scalp, we sometimes use this on female patients and those with longer hair, it can be quite aggressive on the scalp so not always successful but there are other cases that this really works nicely if the scalp can take it.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Salvar that is really good to hear about Carl making progress and I`m looking forward to the updates. This business is so dishonest and so many come to the forums with their good guy image when in fact it is just the opposite. It then becomes important for those watching to make the necessary comments in order to keep them honest. Some have resorted to not even coming to the forums and just sending prospective patients back to tell everyone what a great guy they are when many of us know different and of course we can`t comment.

This is reality and it`s important to point out so that some young kid is not sitting alone in his basement with ink dots all over his head or a bad hair transplant most especially during the holiday season when families are gathering together. Although there are much worse fates in life no one deserves this to happen to them.

I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas or whatever holiday you may celebrate and that you are surrounded by those that care about you.

I can understand sometimes the discussion might become heated as it is a very emotional issue for many but overall it s a really great group here.
 
salvar

salvar

Valued member
topccat29 wrote:
Salvar that is really good to hear about Carl making progress and I`m looking forward to the updates. This business is so dishonest and so many come to the forums with their good guy image when in fact it is just the opposite. It then becomes important for those watching to make the necessary comments in order to keep them honest. Some have resorted to not even coming to the forums and just sending prospective patients back to tell everyone what a great guy they are when many of us know different and of course we can`t comment.

This is reality and it`s important to point out so that some young kid is not sitting alone in his basement with ink dots all over his head or a bad hair transplant most especially during the holiday season when families are gathering together. Although there are much worse fates in life no one deserves this to happen to them.

I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas or whatever holiday you may celebrate and that you are surrounded by those that care about you.

I can understand sometimes the discussion might become heated as it is a very emotional issue for many but overall it`s a really great group here.
I see more than my fair share of poor work both with hair transplant and Scalp Pigmentation, very important to be careful there of course, fixing other people's mess is a lot more challenging than creating a nice result straight away.
Extend the holiday greetings as well to all forum users, only fanatics like us would be on a hair loss forum on Christmas eve :)
 
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ziggs11

Valued member
Can the admins review this? I can't find a hair out of place in the before and after pictures.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Ziggs...........LOL..............I can't believe that I didn't notice or that the thought never occurred to me. Now I see what others must have been seeing. Thanks for pointing that out and you are right every hair is in exactly the same spot which is absolutely impossible in an after picture. Why would someone do that?
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Hey Salvar how about taking some time to explain this. Why is every hair on this patient's head exactly in the same place and all that is different is the tint on his head and the sports jacket?

It's a holiday so take your time.......................maybe you are off today.

Baldy Bunnet you definitely deserve some credit. Somehow I just missed your post but you had it right..............excellent observation on your part. Jonzi's comment is the kind of comment that gets my attention as any one with passion has it for a reason so I look closer. I think Jonzi was right too.
 
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SMP

Member
On closer inspection the pictures do seem very close. I would like to see more pictures of this patient to illustrate it's not fake.
I would also like to see comments posted in a civil manner as this is a discussion forum and people can post their opinions without the need to insult.


 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Yes let`s keep the hair dot discourse on a civil and intellectual level you guys really must be delusional clearly the money has gone to your head.

If you have been harmed by this procedure your only recourse is to keep collecting this type of data and to present your case to the FTC if you are in the States. Marketing fraud is very illegal the fines are very high and the prison terms are long. Yes, you will look like a complete fool bringing your case forward and explaining how you had dots tattooed on your head to look like hair but hopefully, the judgment will be high enough that you can get past it and you will be helping to prevent it from happening to the next guy.

Otherwise, just file the report and as more do the same and the FTC investigates it keep those in the hair loss industry honest.


Just because someone is friendly does not mean he is your friend. Something to remember when dealing with some of these clowns.
 
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IanD

Valued member
Basically - the before and after here - it's impossible.
My girlfriend (a graphic designer) has had a close look and it's not even a good photoshop job.

I have suspected Vincis photos of being photoshopped in the past. What has caught them out here is they've tried putting it on top of existing hair.
 
salvar

salvar

Valued member
Everybody here seems to have become a photoshop expert lately, the part I dont get from these observation is if the background, the position of the tie and the jacket then photoshopped away as well?
 
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ziggs11

Valued member
Or the photos were taken in the same set moments apart. It's not that it's the same picture, it's how his hair looks EXACTLY the same despite undergoing a multi-hour procedure involving his scalp.

Please provide additional information and pictures.
 
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Coopman

Valued member
When people are paying 2.5k for this procedure. Is it maybe possible that the Client here has at his own request hairsprayed his hair (firm hold) before the procedure?

Could he have done this as he wanted it to take into account his actual hairstyle?

It may not be a good way to do SMP when the Client has existing hair and lets be honest this guy is a solid NW1-2 which is slightly diffuse. Maybe he just wanted a thickening effect without shaving his head?

I think it is possible for someone to tattoo dots onto someones head with their hair sprayed. But I dont think they could do it very well. In fact it would look awful if he ever had to shave his head. But in all honestly this guy looks like he will have the same amount of hair (to a degree) well into his 60s/70s. So maybe he never will have to shave his head.
 
salvar

salvar

Valued member
We usually only do these thickening or densifying treatments on women, guys with previous hair transplants or someone with a stable hair loss or a family history of only thinning versus going bald, to make sure it doesnt look bad if he would decide to shave in the future.

We have experimented with both magnum needles that are like a brush of needles and leave a more overall colour versus the usual "dots", it is something that doesnt work for everyone but can look greta in other cases.
 
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ziggs11

Valued member
Recommend Bigmac review the pictures and lack of explanation/follow up pictures from Salvar...
 
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