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salvar

salvar

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ziggs11 wrote:
Recommend Bigmac review the pictures and lack of explanation/follow up pictures from Salvar...
How can this be a lack of follow up from me? I am still here replying, again, I did not take these photos and cant therefore give great detail of the treatment, I have requested more photos and am trying to get follow up images taken from the responsible clinic\technician, I will post them as soon as I get them, take into consideration that most of our clinics are closed over the holidays therefore things move slow this time of year, that should be the end of this discussion.
 
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ziggs11

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Edit your first post to indicate you are investigating the authenticity of the images.
 
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hairhair98

Valued member
salvar wrote:
Everybody here seems to have become a photoshop expert lately, the part I dont get from these observation is if the background, the position of the tie and the jacket then photoshopped away as well?
You dont have to be a photoshop expert to see the issue here.

Saying stuff like this implies that you dont see what they are talking about. Is that your position? That you dont understand what people are referencing?

If so, would you like me to do a side by side comparison for each small section of his head? Every single hair is in the same exact spot.

If not, and you do see the issue, then what would be your explanation for what is going on here?

By the way, additional photos are not really going to resolve the issue of why his hair is exactly the same in each of these photographs. Reason being that if it was photoshopped, then the same could easily be done on a new photo where his hair is styled differently.


 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Salvar I can give you a long list of people that are sitting in prison for marketing fraud so it's not a joke. Some of the terms for some odd reason are very long like the McCorkle's........both the husband and wife each got about 25 years and the fines are not small change with the Enzyte guy being fined $500M. Yes there is big money in marketing fraud and enticing people with lies so the lure is always there for many who only live for money.

I have dozens of documents that can back this all up. The law is very specific at least in the States and it's important that this is all pointed out as without doing so puts the forum itself at risk as you are using it as a conduit to market. The marketers themselves probably deserve what they get...................if you take the risk you pay the price.


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(FTC) has prepared this guide to give you an overview of some of the laws it enforces.

[align=center] [/align][align=center]Advertising must tell the truth and not mislead consumers.[/align] [align=center]In addition, claims must be substantiated.[/align]
General Offers and Claims Products and Services

The Federal Trade Commission Act allows the FTC to act in the interest of all consumers to prevent deceptive and unfair acts or practices. In interpreting Section 5 of the Act, the Commission has determined that a representation, omission or practice is deceptive if it is likely to:

  • mislead consumers and affect consumers' behavior or decisions about the product or service.
In addition, an act or practice is unfair if the injury it causes, or is likely to cause, is:
  • substantialnot outweighed by other benefits andnot reasonably avoidable.
The FTC Act prohibits unfair or deceptive advertising in any medium. That is, advertising must tell the truth and not mislead consumers. A claim can be misleading if relevant information is left out or if the claim implies something that's not true. For example, a lease advertisement for an automobile that promotes "$0 Down" may be misleading if significant and undisclosed charges are due at lease signing.


In addition, claims must be substantiated, especially when they concern health, safety, or performance. The type of evidence may depend on the product, the claims, and what experts believe necessary. If your ad specifies a certain level of support for a claim - "tests show X" - you must have at least that level of support.


Sellers are responsible for claims they make about their products and services. Third parties - such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers - also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims.

  • Advertising agencies or website designers are responsible for reviewing the information used to substantiate ad claims. They may not simply rely on an advertiser's assurance that the claims are substantiated. In determining whether an ad agency should be held liable, the FTC looks at the extent of the agency's participation in the preparation of the challenged ad, and whether the agency knew or should have known that the ad included false or deceptive claims.To protect themselves, catalog marketers should ask for material to back up claims rather than repeat what the manufacturer says about the product. If the manufacturer doesn't come forward with proof or turns over proof that looks questionable, the catalog marketer should see a yellow "caution light" and proceed appropriately, especially when it comes to extravagant performance claims, health or weight loss promises, or earnings guarantees. In writing ad copy, catalogers should stick to claims that can be supported. Most important, catalog marketers should trust their instincts when a product sounds too good to be true.
Other points to consider:
  • Disclaimers and disclosures must be clear and conspicuous. That is, consumers must be able to notice, read or hear, and understand the information. Still, a disclaimer or disclosure alone usually is not enough to remedy a false or deceptive claim.Demonstrations must show how the product will perform under normal use.Refunds must be made to dissatisfied consumers - if you promised to make them.Advertising directed to children raises special issues. That's because children may have greater difficulty evaluating advertising claims and understanding the nature of the information you provide. Sellers should take special care not to misrepresent a product or its performance when advertising to children. The Children's Advertising Review Unit (CARU) of the Council of Better Business Bureaus has published specific guidelines for children's advertising that you may find helpful.
 
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IanD

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So basically Salvar,
Why didnt you just comb the guys hair before taking the After photo.
 
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jonzi

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Cant believe the people in here questioning whether this is photoshop or not. Its so god damn obvious, evert single square mm of this guys hair is identically placed in the two comparison photos. An utter impossibility if the photos were taken at two separate occasions.

There is no reason to "investigate" anything, Salvar har posted a photoshoped result. End of story.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Nobody really wants to see anyone go to jail and 25 years seems like too long of a time but I can also understand the anger I see and even feel myself at times when I read the forums.

Even Kevin Trudeau got a 10 year sentence because he wouldn €™t fork over a $40M judgment simply for writing a book that was not honest and misled people. Yes an information source that was not completely truthful. So to believe it does not happen and that it can €™t happen in this industry is foolish. It can happen and it seems to be moving in that direction from many with whom I speak with as much of it has gone on for too long. Disclaimers do not apply to marketing fraud.

It €™s better just to be honest and give especially young guys honest information and then just let them decide. When a grown man is in tears because he feels his life is over because someone in this industry gave that person self serving bad advice and that man ended up making a very bad decision it is very hard not be affected by it. For me personally I just can €™t walk away without doing or saying something and others I €™m sure feel the same although only a few put in the effort. Just be honest to these guys and if someone has something better just tell them that too.

I hope everyone has a Happy New Year.
 
salvar

salvar

Valued member
I didnt take the photos and dont know this client personally but have no reason to believe anything else but them being genuine and untouched. The clinics that took them is now in touch with this client and are expecting a reply from himself or supply us with his photos in the next few days.



 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Salvar what is the hold up on the explanation. There is no reason to contact the patient and you are now starting to look like a liar as more time passes.

One of my favorite quotes and I have posted many times on the forums is by Mark Twain.

"If you tell the truth there is nothing to remember"

Many in this business tend to forget their last story or it takes them an extra long time to come up with an answer which seems to be the case here.
 
salvar

salvar

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The pictures are of a client, I cant order him to take photos today and send them because some dudes on a forum that think they know it all are calling for it, he has apparently promised to send photos and they will be posted here as soon as he does.


 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
We don €™t need new photos we need an explanation of the photoshopped pictures with the Vinci backdrop.


You also need to go back to your nice guy image because you are starting to look like an asshole and I €™m not trying to tell you what to do but being an asshole is bad for business €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.c €™mon you know that.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Salvar.......... Prince Charles does this thing when he is transitioning from one situation to another it €™s a tell showing just a bit of self consciousness on his part. In his case it €™s called the cuff link fiddle. He will fiddle with his cuff links as a type of diversion but it is definitely telling you something about what he is thinking and feeling.

In customer service it €™s always important to anticipate the customer €™s needs before even the customer knows they need something. This is how I always approached it having worked in that area for over 25 years. What €™s interesting about customer service is you can pick up on those that think they are above it by they €™re tells. The biggest one is referring to the customer as chief, boss, dude or whatever which happens often in retail at least that has been my experience. It relieves the customer service rep of feelings of being inferior. When you refer to others as some dudes question you are doing the same and it is a form of disrespect to everyone here so of course it €™s going to attract some hostility.



When you use this type of term you give appearance of being above it all like you have better things to do, maybe sitting on your yacht sipping on Champagne. But you €™re not €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..you €™re here................ so maybe just answer the question and if necessary just fiddle with your cuff links or rub your ear lobe.
 
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februaryp

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salvar, you need to explain why his hair is styled identically in the two pictures. this doesnt require new photos from the client.
 
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salvar

salvar

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The images are taken before and after his first session, on the same day with short time in between, if the patient has allot of styling aids I can imagine that the hair will stay well in place (even though never recommended). As stated earlier, I didnt take the images and I dont know the client personally, but I am told that he has agreed to post about his experience.
 
salvar

salvar

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Topcat, I was referred to as mother@ucker earlier in this thread so I think calling someone dude is a rather soft, if you want to believe that you can ask all questions and try to create a storm in a teacup you have to have tougher skin then being offended when called dude.
Unfortunately I didnt spend the day on a yacht shipping champaign, I wish that was my usual day, I dont think anyone that works in this industry does, we are not really investment bankers or millionaires.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Nice to see that he brought a tie with him to wear for the after shot...............sounds like a good guy.

"I wish that was my usual day"

And that's the point I don't wish it was my usual day as that means nothing to me. It means absolutely zero. It's for those that get sucked into the more money I have the happier I will be philosophy. They don't belong working in the cosmetic surgery business as it's bad for the patient.

From what I have seen most that get into this business in their various capacities get into it for the wrong reasons and it's only a matter of time before it surfaces.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Salvar I would like to offer you some advice before this turns into some kind of big scandal.

Remember when Prince Harry came to the States and had that big party in Vegas. He was walking around naked, drugs were flowing and all the party ladies were invited. Maybe you remember it vaguely or maybe not at all this is a couple of years ago.


Here is a time line of events. After the party ladies starting talking and posting photos of the big party some of the news rags got a hold of it. Well shortly after several of the ladies were arrested and then all of a sudden they stopped talking. I guess the Royals thought it wasn't good for their image. Meanwhile the Prince was sent back to merry ole England and a week later he was off to Afghanistan fighting the evil doers €¦ €¦ €¦.kind of a diversion wouldn't you say?


But wait it gets better €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.2 weeks after that some paparazzi takes some nude shots of the Duchess and they end up on the front page of the UK papers. Of course there was some outrage by the Royal family but hey we all kind of wanted to take a look €¦ €¦ €¦hee hee €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦now what are the odds of that timeline. Prince Harry was long forgotten we want to see the nude pics €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦3 months later the Prince comes back to merry old England and the newspapers show him working with handicap kids..............hey what a great guy........


Okay so you see where I'm going with this. If by chance you should have some kind of nude pictures of some of the female royals now would be a good time to post them €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.lol €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦


Hey Salvar I €™m just joking with you. Don €™t get all uptight about any of this it €™s bad for sales. I have been called some pretty bad names myself on the forums. Comments like pubic hair on top my head etc €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..lol €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.it never got to me because I knew I was telling the truth and all these dishonest people with their Acell, Robots, hair multiplication, etc were all telling lies and it was only a matter of time before the truth would surface. Even that person that made the pubic hair comment to me years later finally went in for his hair multiplication procedure €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.it looked like shit and many commented as such, the lie was exposed yet again and he simply disappeared like many before him.


So Salvar if you are being truthful it €™s only a matter of time. Do your best to weather the shitstorm and keep smiling. If you could just explain the original photograph. Did the guy have some kind of glue in his hair?

 
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Baldy Bunnet

Valued member
salvar wrote:
The images are taken before and after his first session, on the same day with short time in between, if the patient has allot of styling aids I can imagine that the hair will stay well in place (even though never recommended). As stated earlier, I didnt take the images and I dont know the client personally, but I am told that he has agreed to post about his experience.
[highlight= rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);]No way in a million years would that happen. I've had SMP treatment and I'm 100% certain there's absolutely no way that his hair would stay in place. The practitioner has to constantly rub off the excess ink and any bleeding etc during the session so if anything his hair would be completely messed up. [/highlight][highlight= rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);]
As I said originally when I first spotted the issue, I don't doubt that Vinci do good work. In my opinion they are one of only a few reputable clinics who offer SMP but for whatever reason, there is something dodgy going on here. Enough to sway me in my decision of which clinic to choose if I hadn't already had my treatment.[/highlight][highlight= rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);]
Maybe you want to show that this kind of treatment can be done but don't have any previous clients who've actually had it done yet, so needed to go this route initially to advertise it? Something like that isn't so common, I mean most of on here would kill for the guys hair in the before photo. I don't even think he's balding at all.[/highlight]
 
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silverfox

Valued member
hi all,
i am posting here as my photos have caused some what of a stir on here, people saying my result isnt real so im posting some images to show my hair as it looks today.
everyone in my family is thinning but no bald people so i wasn't worried about that. I see a lot of people with shaved tattoo hair look. i wouldn't suit a shaved head. The guys at Vinci showed me some good examples and explained they would be using a new style needle for shading, similar to what is used for putting colour inside a tattoo.
In the last few years my hair has went grey but they also explained that isn't a problem, this was one of my biggest fears as i didnt see any images of someone with grey hair but it has worked really well and blends really nice with my hair, it looks as thick as it did 10 years ago.
The images that where posted on the forum were taken before and after my first session, I had very little redness or bleeding, it also looks much darker as there is still pigment on my scalp from the session, after 4 days when i washed it faded a little. Because i was not allowed to wash my hair or mess with it for at least 4 days after the treatment i made sure it was styled properly as I didn't want to go into work looking like a dog until i could start washing it.
My 2nd session was done using a dot style method filling in the areas where my skin had faded the tattoo. I am extremely happy with the treatment, I would never want a hair transplant as there really is no guarantee on the result and also the medication side of things freaked me out after reading all the horror stories online. I've already had loads of tattoos before so this was a no brainer for me. I would recommend it to anyone who is thinning or going bald.
Happy New Year folks !
 

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