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Shaving Down for an HT...

janna

janna

Moderator
Hi Tommytwo,

2500 is an approximate number - we've done procedures without shaving for up to 2800. You never know the type of patient you are dealing with until the actual surgery is at hand. By this I mean they may be a bleeder, their scalp is tight, they have slippery tissue, etc that may slow a procedure down. So if you add another hinderance of not being able to see very well because you have native hairs in the way, this could be a major factor in completing a procedure in a reasonable time frame. I am not saying you need to complete within 4-5 hours but I think within 8-10 hours is optimal. It's good for the patients, the staff, and the little grafts that we're dealing with.

As for shaving or not shaving.......

It is possible we simply feel more comfortable working with unshaved hairs compared to many physicians because we've worked between hairs for years. It's only been in the last few years with the session sizes getting bigger where we started asking patient if they would be receptive to shaving their hairs. Did we compromise the native hairs (shock loss) prior to shaving? I think our work and results speak for themselves. We feel if a patient allows us to cut the hairs there is no question it opens up the field for more optimal work environment. But it may not be needed in all circumstances. There are various scenarios. If we are working down between a uniformed density of 20-25FU's or more, there's no doubt we need to cut the hairs in order to work on the patient. If the density is just under 20-25FU's and we are seeing scalp through the hair, we could work down between the hairs, but it may decrease the amount of work we can ultimately do, possibly by 10-15%. It may prevent us in finding all the spaces and there may be a bit more risk to native hair as we cannot see things quite as well. Then there is a scenario when we are seeing more scalp then hair in regard to density, and we generally can go down between the hairs and do the same quality of work with no compromise to density or native hairs. It just makes it harder for us, but we can do it by taking more time during the incision making and planting process. Lastly, if it is quite thin to bald, it just doesn't really matter at all. So it really depends on how thick or thin the native density is prior to surgery and whether the doctor is willing to work with the longer hairs despite a longer procedure time.


 
Bigmac

Bigmac

Administrator
Staff member
Janna i think i`ve asked this before but here goes anyway.

If you do come across any of the characteristics you mentioned in the above post in a non shaven patient,is the price still the same as the staff could be working an extra few hours which has to be paid for.

Does the clinic just accept this and absorb the cost in the original price quoted to the patient.

Thanks bm.
 
janna

janna

Moderator
The patient is not charge any more if we have to work around the longer hairs. They are just made aware that the surgery may take a little longer and the incisions may not be quite as close than if they allowed for trimming. But with the high magnification loupes our docs use, I personally think the work/results are just as good.

There are things that could make for a longer day - not just the longer hairs. Such as, excessive bleeding, slippery tissue (which takes planting longer), tight skin, etc so these are all challenges that come with the territory and you don't know when it will occur. We charge by the graft, not by the hour. :)
 
Bigmac

Bigmac

Administrator
Staff member
Bigmac wrote:
Be good to see some high magnification pictures of hair shaven down,trimmed down and hair left untouched to see what the doctor and techs actually see.

Any takers on above question.

I would like it to be patients who still have enough hair to warrant not being shaved down,not a norwood 5 plus where it does not matter.

Thanks bm.
 
Baldspot

Baldspot

Valued member
Well Big M - I dunno if I'm a 'taker' but I'm due for an 'SMG' soon. My hair is (for me, at the top and back REALLY long now) as I need to do as much as I can to cover any donor and recipient work. I'm in the 'shave as little as you need camp' as I'll sort it all out (haircut wise) when I get back home. My really big fear is some tech going nuts with the scissors and leaving me in a bad way for work. That would be really dire. No hard hats or caps for me to cover things I'm afraid.
I realise there are some surgeons who feel the best results are achieved by shaving the recipient area and who am I to argue (I ain't a surgeon - just some punter in Scotland). For me tho it's a deal breaker. I'll grow my hair, use Dermatch, Couvre, Toppik etc., etc but I got a life outwith HTs. The surgeons that recognise that and will work with me to achieve that (even if it takes a bit longer) are the people for me. If I could take 3-4 months off work for an HT I'd do it - my company just won't give me the time.

If I fit the criteria and can remain anonymous (and also avoid breaking Janna's High Res camera) she can take picks of my 'heed'. It might not be what you were thinking of thou. If not no worries. I've never been able to figure out what 'Norwood' I was anyway as it didn't bald that way for me...
 
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timuk

timuk

My member is cooler than NN's
BS..

I for one have now seen enough evidence that a top class clinic does not need to shave a patient down to produce a great result.

There are so many examples on this forum and others that show shaving down is not essential that I am now convinced that someone who wants a great HT and does not want to be shaved can "have his cake and eat it"...

As I mentioned before... this may mean that some patients may have to have their HT work done over a longer time period or even in multiple sessions... but if shaving down is going to cause that much of a problem then I for one think its well worth it.

I know that this was a big issue (or should I say the biggest issue) for me....

As I have stated before...

"I do wonder how many guys out there have declined having an HT due to the shaving down issue alone... it would be great to hear from anyone..."

Tim



 
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Baldspot

Baldspot

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timuk wrote:
As I mentioned before... this may mean that  some patients may   have  to have their HT work done over a longer time period or even in multiple sessions...  

Very good points Tim.

Obviously something has to give - you can't expect a surgeon to work miracles and achieve a huge result with loads of hair there. It's a balance.

For me, far better that you get the choice to get the work done over a number of sessions if that's what good for you. Likewise if you're in a position where you can cover up things and get more done faster then that's even better.
 
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Aspinal

Member
TOMMYTWO wrote:
does not shaving down impair the quality/density of a HT or is it just a time issue for the doctors/staff?

I mean Is the fact that SMG only go to 2500 without shaving down purely a time issue or are there other factors to be considered?
 

This is a question I ponder myself.

What are the limitations if any at all.
 
H

hair-raiser

Valued member
I was just about to start a thread on the issue of the impact of shaving the head completely for HT on life post operation.

I've seen down time discussed as the time taken for you to be able to go out without anyone being able to notice you've had a HT - for me this was around the 12 day mark following 1500 FUE, but more comfortably the 15-18 day mark.

However there were a lot of questions as to my totally shaved look which luckily my cover story dealt with, but it was still stressful and it did sap my confidence - I cancelled social engagements and bsically avoided seeing most friends for a good 4-5 weeks to limit the questions and possible chance fo someone detecting a HT

I've not seen much discussed on the psycological impact in the weeks post HT - I've seen a post by Spex on post HT blues but this seems to cover the days immediately following it. I believe my own downtime has gone on for at least 7 weeks. I felt that the use of concealers such as Toppik and Dermatch have not been of any use until the 8 week mark when enough original hair has grown back. In fact I've just passed the 9 week mark yesterday and its only now I feel comfortable using Toppik.

When I was researching for my own HT I looked extensively to see how long it would take for a shaven head to grow back to a point when one could comfortably start going out again with the use of concealers - I saw a few posts where people said it was around 18 days but for me I have to say it is the 9 week mark

I have felt a fair bit of stress prior to this - taking yourself away from friends and your normal social life has in my case made the weeks following the HT quite a low period emotionally. I don't think this is discussed enough from what I've seen on forums

Saying that I wanted to give my HT the best chance for growth as possible so was happy to take the advice of the clinic to have the head shaved. I was made to feel totally at ease with everything and the staff were superb.

It would be nice though to go back (if I ever have to) without thinking of the impact on life post HT

HR


 
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Bigmac

Bigmac

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Staff member
Great post hair raiser and very valid points regarding the down time.

This is something that needs to be discussed more in my opinion.

bm.
 
sl

sl

BHR Clinic Patient Advisor
Hi to all

I've had 5 FUE surgeries to date [some 7000 grafts]. Shaving for me was not a problem as I'd worn my hair shaved for many years, so it limited the impact of my post surgery look. I would advise patients who need to shave their heads to do so some weeks prior to surgery so that people get used to seeing them that way and not suddenly see it after an operation. The last thing you would need is extra unwanted attention that the change in look can bring.

Redness post op can be a problem, although it does disappear quite quickly, the recipient area can be red albeit slightly for 3 months post-op. On a totally bald area it is more noticeable. To limit this, I advise no direct sunshine on the area for 3 months post op, take medication such as MSM that asists in skin healing and look also at putting Aloe Vera on if need be when safe to do so.

I made sure I got plenty of fresh air post surgery, walks in parks etc, and sat in shaded areas, to get maximum fresh air to the scalp.

We all heal differently but there are things we can do to help ourselves.

I have recently become a Patient Advisor for BHR Clinic, Brussels, and my own personal site is www.hairtransplanttestimony.com , it is in its early stages.

Stephen L
 
Bigmac

Bigmac

Administrator
Staff member
Hi Stephen

Welcome to the forum.

Your website/blog is cool.

The work looks great,it would be great if you could put some pictures of your HT procedure in the patient section.

Thanks bm.


 
sl

sl

BHR Clinic Patient Advisor
Many thanks for your kind comment. The site is at it's early stages, I want it to be a genuine site with information for the sufferer. Hair loss affected me greatly and I was desperate for genuine help so really am happy if I can offer back. It will develop in time, and yes, I will be putting pics on the forum. I am about 6 weeks post my last op which involved beard hair into crown so will put looking forward to showing the results. Many thanks again for the encouragement, I really appreciate it! Stephen L.




 
P

Philb

Member
Hi Stephenl,

Steve has a wealth of experience having sat in the chair so many times, he is also one of the few lucky guys with advanced hair loss to be eligable for so many FUE, don't get jealous but his donor density was well over 100 FU cm2 to start! I'm very happy he has decided to align himself with us and I hope others can use his knowledge and experience to make their decisions easier.

Also means you will not have to read my long posts anymore! so win win! But I won't go that easy!
 
Bigmac

Bigmac

Administrator
Staff member
Geeze you`re sticking around Phil,;;D

Just messing as i enjoy reading your posts as they are well thought out and very helpful.

I`m looking forward to reading more of the same from Steve.

Ps still waiting for your pics:)

Cheers bm.
 
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