ACell = Hair Cloning and the End of "Limited Donor" Concerns

[pvtpoint2010]

its hard to get a good ideas to stick when it comes to Dr's...they all have there own way of looking at things

if they dident think of it first its a wast of their time

 

[Bobjoe]

I know exactly what you mean but I also think its a matter of pride. Plastic surgerys, ht-doctors etc have their own way to do things and maybe some feel that it would hurt their self-image by taking advice from a patient, but I dont know..

Anyway, what do you think of doing the small test of three or four injections into old white dots? Maybe you dont think its worth it based on what you have seen so far?

Or do you simply think I should try it myself? Which I would within a minute if I had anyone in France performing this Acell thing.

 

[T.C]

Bobjoe Have you considered going to a reputable clinic and getting maybe BH into the bigger white dot areas to disguise more or even some head hair redistributed by an excellent clinic into some of the dots to give the art of illusion ! or even do a small test of this.Even if Acell can improve pigmentation the gap is still there.

 

[Bobjoe]

T.C

No at this point I have not. Since im not sure about the outcome of a procedure like that and I am a little bit worried that it could make the dots even more visible since you have to make a slit in the dot for placing the graft. I think this could be a problem if I want to shave the hair, which one should be open for doing before going into a Ht since you cant know how the outcome will be or if it will last as you like it for many years.

Fue sounded like the perfect thing but the fact is clear that you will have dots and you have to be aware of that if you ever may considere to shave in the future.

Maybe some clinics are better than other, even though mine belongs to one of the top docs with one of the best reputation, he clearly lied about this fact, saying it would not create any dots and that I would be able to shave. It really is all about the money.

 

[Bigmac]

It would be great to see someone document their progress with pictures as well as the written data.

 

[pvtpoint2010]

Aug/Sept 2011 update
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My barber was looking through my donor area after a short cut a few days ago and still saw several hairs growing within the scar from the test.....she however couldn't see any improvement in the white FUE spots

I had 3 FUE spots plucked out and filled with ACELL, Had several plucked hairs implanted into the center of one of my strip scars and planted several plucked hairs into several other FUE dots by Dr Cooley late last year.....but nothing much to report.....

I also contacted a few Doc's over the past few weeks and received the following ACELL update from each office..

Dr Cooley has not gotten back to me as of yet....

Dr Feller is still NOT using ACELL at all.............

Dr Bernstein commented that he is NOT 100% happy with his results sofar....He feels in some cases its just ok and in others it may even be a hindrance.

He feels at times it makes the skin much softer and more prone to stretch....He still however feels more time is needed to make his final assessment

Dr Cole's office feels ACELL has shown promise to regrow donor FUE hairs and reduce white dotting scars

Though the office gave me an actual % of FUE donor regroth I feel the number may have been exaggerated so wont post it at this time

However if the % is even close to being true it would be remarkable !

Any other ACELL researchers or test patients THAT have more input please reply....!!....

 

[janna]

Shapiro Medical started offering ACell this year. While we've done about a dozen cases, we do not have photo documentation from most of our cases. The feedback we do get have all been positive. They feel the healing process is quicker. Also, we have a strip and fue patient who are keeping a detailed blog on ht forums and they both have reported that growth started at around 2 month mark Another patient who we used ACell on was a donor scar repair patient. He also reported his scar is much improved and he feels it's due to ACell.

 

[pvtpoint2010]

Thanks Janna

My main goal is to repaire my hairline and front 1/3 ....I was just going through Your/Dr Ron Shapiro's website yesterday.....

I heard he started using Acell ........was also impressed on his artistic hairline recreation

I may set up a consult soon with your office.....Im my case the more info the better

 

[ejj]

makes me wonder if acell is good on fue extraction areas , but no as effective on strip extraction due to the tension on the wound , as there would be no tension on a fue dot , and lots on a sutured strip . Interesting to see what Dr Bernsteins results are , my thoughts are if the skin is softer, is it then more prone to stretch in time

all the best

ejj

 

[topccat29]

We would all like to have hope that something works but when words like "it seems to" "it appears to" " all indications reflect" or similar type phrases usually set off my bulls*it indicator. As far as FUE and scarring, the use of very small punches goes a long way in preventing scarring without the use of Acell.

This article was posted to the forums back in 2002. I think that if you spend enough time on the forums you can easily pick up on the cycle of bullsh*t. Like I stated we all would like to have hope, but how about those using Acell showing at least 1 set of pictures verifying the result. It could easily be accomplished.

This might be promising for hair loss

Aug 12, 2002 10:00 ET

Innovative Intravenous Drug for Treating Severe Burns in Children Starts
Phase II


SEATTLE, Aug. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- Each year, thousands of children suffer
burn-related accidents, often with long-lasting consequences and
disfigurement. Burn injuries constitute one of the greatest hazards of
childhood, and infants are at higher risk of death from burns than adults. Currently there are no drugs available to treat severe burns in children. This might change in the coming years. Professor Keppel Hesselink, manager at Gho Pharma BV in the Netherlands, announced at the International Society for Burn Injuries in Seattle, USA, the development of an innovative treatment for severe burn wounds in children. The company plans to request an orphan drug designation, based on the fact that fewer than 200 000 patients annually suffer from severe burns.

The compound, bis(maltolato)oxovanadium (BMOV), an organic vanadium salt, has been studied by the founder of the company, Dr C. Gho, in animal studies using a standardized pig model of burn wounds. When administered intravenously following the burn injury BMOV has been shown to promote wound healing significantly, leading to the formation of thinner, more supple scars with less contraction, and better preservation of hair follicles and sweat glands.

Investigations of the wound healing have shown that vascularization of the wound was better in treated pigs and the development of granulation tissue was less extensive. The re-epithelialization of the wound was also more rapid in BMOV-treated animals. The magnitude of this effect appeared to be dose-related following intravenous bolus injection.

BMOV acts by limiting or preventing the secondary injury which arises as a result of tissue damage caused by the actual burn trauma or primary injury. By administering the compound intravenously, we can ensure that it reaches the target area directly. BMOV has undergone a full animal toxicological testing program using intravenous administration. In a recent human Phase I study in healthy volunteers, there were no drug-related and dose-limiting side-effects at the anticipated effective dose level.

In early 2003 Gho Pharma is planning to start a large pivotal multi-center study of BMOV in children with hot-water burns, in cooperation with some major European Burn Centres. The company is currently contemplating a new finance round to support the pivotal trial program.


Source: Gho Pharma BV

 

[topccat29]

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[topccat29]

It doesn't matter what the name is OSH101 or who the outfit is WSMR it is an endless cycle of hype with no pictures and if you go back and search the history you can easily take postings made 10+ years ago and the responses and wording from the hopeful is almost exactly the same as we see with the new stuff that also has no pictures available at this time. Just keep the hope going, business as usual.

 

[ejj]

your right TC , i fell for the bs a while ago it made my situation ten times worse, thats why im so cautious of new ` additions` to the industry . My strip scars were acell was used stretched to the point were im probably going to need another 4-5 procedures of beard hair just to get them back to what they looked like pre surgery ! so much for miracle healing hey ! it was put to me that the acell didnt cause this but from what ive read about Dr Bernsteins research im not so sure now .

The thing is , I was lead to believe i got scar stretch due to all the surgery i have had over the years, therefore i discarded the option of scar revision , now if it turns out acell hindered the healing and a revision would of been a sound option ,its then like being kicked in the ` doodle` twice if you know what i mean !

Anyways `spilt milk and all that` , I await Dr bernstiens views with great interest

regards

ejj

 

[topccat29]

Desperate people that have hope always rationalize to themselves. They don't need pictures or proof and will happily open up their wallet. Here is a typical post from 2002 not much different from what I see today. Now multiple that by several thousands over the years and it adds up quickly. Once the money is made then it's on to the next big thing.

I have someone on another forum that always feels the need to reply to my threads with his promotion of Gho. A person that has never had a procedure in his life and with no mention of himself stepping forward and trying the treatment is going to advise me, please save it for someone who doesn't know how many in this business operate.

>>>guessing is the only choice if you're not the one who has signed an NDA with WSMR.<<<<

True but what I mean is the guys who say €œoh it wont work, it €™s a scam, im a pessimist, I cant get laid € and all that crap, guessing if fine but the guys who present their guesses as FACT are the ones that grate my cheese.

>>>How long, days, a month until they release more info. <<<<<

The new press release? I don €™t know for sure but my guess from talking to them about it is a somtime this week, two weeks at very most.

>>>>BTW - would you rather apply a topical every night for the rest of your life or use HM to ditch that routine and the continuing costs.<<<<

The costs are being worked on now, I dont expect flex 1 and 2 to be that price, in my opinion, I would rather use a topical in the privacy of my own home than have work done on my head, im not a fan of HM as I have been waiting for years and it has always been only a few years away, I doubt it will be out in the next 3 years and even if it is you will have to wait in line behind the rich and famous and FT's while gho slowly works away, you will be on a waiting list for around 4 years + in my OPINION, so thats what 7 or so years until we could get this done from Gho, I want at least some hair back now not 3 4 5 6 or 7 years from now, but that €™s just me.

>>>When did you start on the clinical trials with WSMR? <<<<

I cant answer this sorry, its in my contract.

>>>Are you trialing FlexS1 or FlexS2. <<<<

Right now im using flex 1 as is the guy in the pics david tse saw

>>>>would releasing before and after photos really hurt their prospective business? why won't they release them?<<<<

I haven €™t even seen all photos, to be 100% honest with you I haven €™t once asked to see ANY, mainly because anyone can fake pictures these days, its not hard with the right software, look at starwars, nothing is impossible theses days, on top of that I don €™t care to see what results OTHER people are getting, I want to see my own, why haven €™t they let out any pics yet? Well for one thing the web site is still being built, 2nd since they aren €™t yet selling a product why rush out pictures? At the end of the day I don €™t know and this is only guess, im not part of the company in anyway so its not my place to know, sorry I cant be of anymore help than that.

>>>lots of questions i know, answer the ones you are able to? <<<<

The ones I am legally allowed to answer I have no problem with, I wont answer anything I cant though because this is the most important thing for me and im not going to blow it and risk getting my treatment stopped, im sure no one here would be any different in my position

P.S i thought my pic was meant to be a guy with a shaved head, thats a NW 7 isnt it? Damn thats bald

 

[pvtpoint2010]

Ok Guys over the last week Ive been trying my best to take photos of the hairs that are growing in my scar from Cooley's plucking technique done Sept last year...

Though I cant see the back of my head several who were looking into the scar center said they see about 20-30 hairs growing inside of it....he did about 70 or so .....no other work was done except plucked hairs dipped into Acell...

Getting to Cooley's office for an update is a far stretch for me at this time as i live in new york city and he 's in N Carolina

I want however to get a real assessment from someone local ..... if Cooley says its ok..

I also heard that Cooley is starting a new FUE technique using Acell along with planting a plucked hair into the spot thus having a hair grow in the extracted graph's place...

Cole is saying that he's getting 53% re growth in his CIT cites which to me sounds high without plucking.........but would love to learn more .........Cole dont do the plucking technique at this time...

I think the way to go if both are reasonable correct is FUE with Acell first then what didn't fill in with Acell alone Plucked hairs should be planted in the spots..

That's my next goal ....to get more plucked hairs placed into my existing scar along with multiple white FUE dots.....I already had several last year but need a top doc to closely evaluate the actual results...

Then want to add more density to my hairline and front 1/3.....Was Quoted between 1000 and 1800 depending on how far back i wanted to go...

PS ......Im also willing to work with someone local who is good with a camera to take photos of the scar and plucked hair growth

 

[topccat29]

If I were a HT surgeon I would find someone that had a very thick head of hair to either volunteer or I would pay them to become a test subject. I would then shave a ½ € square area somewhere on the head and remove all the hairs in that area by way of fue then apply the Acell. I would duplicate that same procedure in a second area and then insert plucked hairs if I actually believed that worked and then apply Acell. What exactly is so difficult about this test for verification and how much time needs to pass by before it is performed?

In terms of evaluating the healing I would perform a HT procedure free of charge to any volunteer. I would apply Acell to ½ of the recipient and donor areas. I would then evaluate both the healing and growth while presenting pictures for others to evaluate. I would present these pictures on a weekly basis and they would be extreme close ups.

If I could not find a volunteer then I would volunteer myself as a responsible physician or ask one of my family members maybe put a son or daughter into the chair. But to promote Acell with vague statements like €œappears to €, €œseems to €, €œwe think € to desperate patients is irresponsible in my opinion. I understand it seems to be standard practice in medicine to give people hope while you take their money but this doesn €™t make it right. Just an opinion.

 

[ejj]

I thought Dr Rassman had passed comments on acell on his blog a couple of days ago , if anyone has Dr Bernstiens views it would be good to hear them



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[topccat29]

PvtPoint it is very simple. The area that was worked on I am going to assume needed to be shaven and it would be highly unlikely that pictures were not taken. Request those before pictures. Now shave that same area which I will assume can easily be hidden and take up close photos. Personally I have found a high wattage florescent bulb provides for very good lighting. Post these photos to this thread for evaluation.

 

[pvtpoint2010]

Spoke to Cooley.....I will be getting in contact with a TOP local Doc willing to do the 1 year plucking result over the next few days

I'm very interested in the actual results myself.......my only concept of the result is from my barber....but a true evaluation is definitely needed

BUT.....If it worked then (even 30-50%) the FUE /Plucking idea may just work

It may take a few sessions but all in all you should get a single hair grow from the FUE spot.....

The question will be is a single hair enough to replace multiple 2 and 3 hair units

Probably not but its a start ...........Especially if someone is just doing hairline single graphs....

If its ok with both Docs ill post the results .......Again its not my baby...ill leave it up to them to tell me how to proceed with posting.....

Just to let everyone know i work for NO Drs office......im just a guy willing to test out a new idea as im in the same boat as many other repair patients.....

We need a newer and better technology for scar and transplant repair...

my fingers are crossed

 

[topccat29]

Pvtpoint of course it is appreciated when someone tries something new.

It definitely is your baby as it is your head. Why would you need permission from the doctor to post your own photos and speak about your own results? That is a GIANT RED FLAG in my book. No different than patients that I have seen quickly delete their threads or have their threads deleted. Because they realize the clinic did not approve. If you are around long enough you can easily pick up on which clinics operate in this fashion. You only see what they want you to see which is a load of bullsh*t.

PvtPoint you were an avid poster a year or so ago but disappeared after the plucking. Posting in this type of fashion always draws my attention as I am less concerned with posting in support of results that I can clearly see look very good. I know you did say you were having back problems and this is what led to your disappearance for an extended period of time, close to a year by now. I hope your back is better but I don €™t quite understand what seems to be promotion of plucking with an uncertainty of even being able to provide photographic proof.