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IanD
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All I've learnt from this thread is that I am due some cancer any day now and the UnaBomber was right.
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topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Ljungberg infected by his tattoos
Patrick Sawer
Evening Standard comment
Published: 20 May 2005
Arsenal star Freddie Ljungberg has told how he had tests for Aids and cancer to find the cause of a persistent hip injury - but the problem turned out to be caused by his ornate tattoos.
The player had suffered a rare allergic reaction to the ink. This in turn had caused the lymphatic gland in his hip to become inflamed and press on a nerve in his side.
The Swede revealed today how he faced an agonising two-week wait before the test results came in.
He said: "I was frightened. I was tested, but nobody seemed to know what was wrong with me.
"It all happened during a twoweek period. But I am fine now and looking forward to the FA Cup final against Manchester United."
Ljungberg, 28, had to have surgery on the hip to remove the inflamed gland and missed four weeks of the season. He said the ordeal had placed him under a great deal of strain.
"I was very worried. I did not feel sick or ill, but of course I was injured and we did not know why. Eventually the doctors worked out that it was something in the tattoos. I was relieved that they had found out the problem. I am fine now," he said.
The main risk from tattoos is usually infection from hepatitis B or C, and Ljungberg's case is extremely rare.
One doctor said: "Puncturing the skin has all sorts of dangers, but I have never heard of a case like this before."
Ljungberg is one of several football stars to have had prominent tattoos. David Beckham has the name of his son Brooklyn and a crucifix figure on his back.
Ljungberg has two tattoos of panthers on his back and side. But the player, who has done extensive modelling in glossy magazines, often bare-chested and revealing his body art, told The Sun that he will now abandon plans to have any more tattoos.
Patrick Sawer
Evening Standard comment
Published: 20 May 2005
Arsenal star Freddie Ljungberg has told how he had tests for Aids and cancer to find the cause of a persistent hip injury - but the problem turned out to be caused by his ornate tattoos.
The player had suffered a rare allergic reaction to the ink. This in turn had caused the lymphatic gland in his hip to become inflamed and press on a nerve in his side.
The Swede revealed today how he faced an agonising two-week wait before the test results came in.
He said: "I was frightened. I was tested, but nobody seemed to know what was wrong with me.
"It all happened during a twoweek period. But I am fine now and looking forward to the FA Cup final against Manchester United."
Ljungberg, 28, had to have surgery on the hip to remove the inflamed gland and missed four weeks of the season. He said the ordeal had placed him under a great deal of strain.
"I was very worried. I did not feel sick or ill, but of course I was injured and we did not know why. Eventually the doctors worked out that it was something in the tattoos. I was relieved that they had found out the problem. I am fine now," he said.
The main risk from tattoos is usually infection from hepatitis B or C, and Ljungberg's case is extremely rare.
One doctor said: "Puncturing the skin has all sorts of dangers, but I have never heard of a case like this before."
Ljungberg is one of several football stars to have had prominent tattoos. David Beckham has the name of his son Brooklyn and a crucifix figure on his back.
Ljungberg has two tattoos of panthers on his back and side. But the player, who has done extensive modelling in glossy magazines, often bare-chested and revealing his body art, told The Sun that he will now abandon plans to have any more tattoos.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
You have a young boy on your own forum with a blue head who I would not have known about except for your own link. You use your own army to dismiss what the young boy sees and says no different then what you are doing here and that is the extent of how you serve your customer.
If what you were hawking was of any value to any human being you would not need to do what you are do there or here......................and it doesn't take much common sense to figure that out.
There is something seriously mentally wrong with you guys that you need money so badly that you are willing to do that to a young boy.
What you are doing here is what some of the really bad ht clinics have done in the past. You know what the response from those viewing those past threads were. What kind of professional and ethical clinic would send an army of guys to defend what they are doing and why is it needed. People start noticing and telling themselves this does not look right and will I be treated the same. Treated the same way I see here and the same way the boy with the blue head on your own forum is being treated.......................you are losing and you are losing because it really it not a quality product nor is it a sensible option.
If what you were hawking was of any value to any human being you would not need to do what you are do there or here......................and it doesn't take much common sense to figure that out.
There is something seriously mentally wrong with you guys that you need money so badly that you are willing to do that to a young boy.
What you are doing here is what some of the really bad ht clinics have done in the past. You know what the response from those viewing those past threads were. What kind of professional and ethical clinic would send an army of guys to defend what they are doing and why is it needed. People start noticing and telling themselves this does not look right and will I be treated the same. Treated the same way I see here and the same way the boy with the blue head on your own forum is being treated.......................you are losing and you are losing because it really it not a quality product nor is it a sensible option.
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topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Here is a link to your own forum and many of those replies would make no sense to a person with common sense but a person with common sense would not do this to begin with so of course it's easier to try and ease this person's concerns this person.
http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/5671-blueish-dot-and-blueish-patches/
http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/5671-blueish-dot-and-blueish-patches/
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Coopman
Valued member
In reply to a previous post where i was quoted as saying an example of SMP looked good. This was in the context of the artistic quality of the work which is of a high standard. However i do not want to deviate from the path that although it looks good in my opinion,i also believe it is ridiculous at the same time because it simply isn't real.
But SMP is not real and nor is it meant to be. HIShairclinic and many others are creating the illusion of hair.
Thats all well and good. There is a market for SMP and you will always have a steady flow of Clients to undergo this procedure. Some will rave about their results and rightly so. If you undergo a SMP procedure and are ecstatic about the results, why not shout from the rooftops.
This is the same with FUE/FUT procedure. We see a constant mix of very good/good work and the occasional result which is sub par. You are always going to get occasional bad work from even top Surgeons, which may not be the fault of themselves, sometimes things just dont work.
When you have visited hairloss forums over the years. Myself almost 13yrs now (im not that sad honest). You learn all the tricks of the trade that Hairloss Clinics undergo to hide bad work. (TC i acknowledge you have already touched on this). Threads dissapear, topics have posts that are deleted. Some are deleted for perfectly legitimate reasons, we all know about spammers as you (damien) have noted on your HIS forum.
But the story that is not always easy to spot is what goes on in the background of these forums. Here are a couple of examples.
1. A young guy, lets say 23yo. Undergoes a FUE procedure of 3000grafts for temple restoration, densely packed. He has the work undertaken by a certain individual whom is well respected on that website. The Surgeon posts the results and you get the usual he is going to have an excellent result posts. Myself i have no commercial axe to grind, i add a post to the thread along the lines of "3000 grafts on a NW2.5 to restore the temples is possibly using up at least 40% of his donor supply. How is the Clinic going to address this for the required future work when hairloss continues behind his newly transplanted hair. I then get insulted through various posters saying he is on Finasteride and that he has amazing donor hair. I then reply what is his available donor left and then im barred from the forum.
Again i have not been insultive in my posts but commercially they are not wanted.
You see Clinics pay a certain amount of money to be sponsored on the site. They do not want negative feedback. The Clinic will simply request the forum to ban the poster and delete the thread/post as required.
These Clinics are the bottom of the pile. Any justified negativity aimed at them and hell hath no fury. If they dont get the posts deleted they stop paying their sponsorship money. Now for anyone undergoing SMP, you would not go to a SMP Clinic who acts in this same way. It would be best to go to a SMP Clinic who displays honesty, integrity and a friendly tone.
Damien
Thank you for your reply yesterday. I had a chance to glance over your website. No im not a prospective customer lol but it was interesting all the same.
Quite a bit of info on the colourings. Any potential SMP patient research this thoroughly and dont be afraid to ask whom is supplying the ink etc. Every Clinic is likely to be different.
Good info provided on how long the SMP will last before fading etc. Effects of sun exposure mentioned and rightly so.
Above all it is quite informative and provides a good background for the commencement of thorough research.
But mainly Damien the issue i have is the perception of SMP to others. In a social/professional society everyone is becoming more and more image conscious. Hell the average girl takes more selfie photos pictures of herself in the evening than what Buzz Aldrin took of the moon.
Everyone is judged more and more on their appearance. This perception is never going to change and all probabilities it will become more and more impotant than ever to look the best you can.
There is no escaping the fact that people find SMP ridiculous. Thats the world we live in. But we cant escape the fact that people want to undergo this procedure.
Now i have already mentioned when you are in your 40s you become less interested in what people think of the fact that you have had SMP done. You may have a family, secure income etc and a few comments of Tattoo head can easily be shrugged off.
But its the guys in their 20s. When they are NW2-3 and they have a small SMP session nobody may never know they have had it done. It can be very easily disguised.
But when they become NW5+ this is no longer the case. Some poor souls reach NW5 at 20. The social implications of SMP for guys in their 20s are huge.
For most guys in their 20s, girls are the big thing on their mind, hell yeah! But girls in their 20s are also at their most shallowest. One mention of the fact that you have hair tattoed on your head, will have them in hysterical fits of laughter. You can imagine their conversations. "Hey that guy over there he is kind of cute, its such a shame he has dots painted on his hair to pretend he has hair".
This is a real shame. But we can not escape from this and that is why SMP for NW3+ guys in their 20s will have a huge impact in their lives. Granted they may be strong enough to deal with such humiliation. Some people have a bigger chin than others.
What do you do with a young guy who has SMP at 21 he is a NW3, 6mths later he is a NW5 and needs more work and then sadly he is NW7 at 25 and even more work and additional touch ups to the existing SMP (if necessary) to ensure colour match.
Do you reccommend that SMP patients have Finasteride prescribed to them and use Rogaine foam?
I do acknowledge that some girls and guys would not be bothered and would not gossip over somebody whom has had SMP done and they are real good people.
But this world is full of bad people as well, not to mention people who dont realise how insensitive their comments actually are.
These guys need protecting. But i understand if you turn a guy down he will just end up somewhere else. But at least you have stood the moral ground.
But then you could argue its their heads, we will give them what we think is suitable. Is that ethical? Well we could spend the remaining years of our lives arguing that. What is ethical to someone is not to another.
The important thing is as you would probably agree that the patient is fully informed and if they decide they want to research as much as they can on the internet then so be it.
And as i mentioned in my last post if somebody is dithering over whether to undergo SMP they are not a suitable candidate.
We will agree on many things Damien, but others we will never agree on. Myself and TC have made some valid comments and addressed some areas that may be very concerning. That does not mean we are entirely correct with our opinions 100% of the time. We are just voices, the same as yourself. You have views on SMP that will always illustrate the positivity of SMP, whereas me and TC illustrate the negativity of SMP. But being able to discuss without insults is the beauty of dialogue and will help anyone who decides whether or not SMP is the option for them.
If by reading this thread a prospective patient learns to ask valid questions about SMP to a Clinic that he would not have done if he did not read this thread. Then that will have a positive outcome for that individual, he may steer away from Clinics that dont provide the correct answers.
To conclude my view of SMP on individuals whom are NW3+ is frankly ridiculous. But that is only my perception and what i think if i saw a head Tattoo. I dont need to meet a SMP patient in real life, i know artistically it can look good. Its the social stigma associated with SMP that is my concern.
But SMP is not real and nor is it meant to be. HIShairclinic and many others are creating the illusion of hair.
Thats all well and good. There is a market for SMP and you will always have a steady flow of Clients to undergo this procedure. Some will rave about their results and rightly so. If you undergo a SMP procedure and are ecstatic about the results, why not shout from the rooftops.
This is the same with FUE/FUT procedure. We see a constant mix of very good/good work and the occasional result which is sub par. You are always going to get occasional bad work from even top Surgeons, which may not be the fault of themselves, sometimes things just dont work.
When you have visited hairloss forums over the years. Myself almost 13yrs now (im not that sad honest). You learn all the tricks of the trade that Hairloss Clinics undergo to hide bad work. (TC i acknowledge you have already touched on this). Threads dissapear, topics have posts that are deleted. Some are deleted for perfectly legitimate reasons, we all know about spammers as you (damien) have noted on your HIS forum.
But the story that is not always easy to spot is what goes on in the background of these forums. Here are a couple of examples.
1. A young guy, lets say 23yo. Undergoes a FUE procedure of 3000grafts for temple restoration, densely packed. He has the work undertaken by a certain individual whom is well respected on that website. The Surgeon posts the results and you get the usual he is going to have an excellent result posts. Myself i have no commercial axe to grind, i add a post to the thread along the lines of "3000 grafts on a NW2.5 to restore the temples is possibly using up at least 40% of his donor supply. How is the Clinic going to address this for the required future work when hairloss continues behind his newly transplanted hair. I then get insulted through various posters saying he is on Finasteride and that he has amazing donor hair. I then reply what is his available donor left and then im barred from the forum.
Again i have not been insultive in my posts but commercially they are not wanted.
You see Clinics pay a certain amount of money to be sponsored on the site. They do not want negative feedback. The Clinic will simply request the forum to ban the poster and delete the thread/post as required.
These Clinics are the bottom of the pile. Any justified negativity aimed at them and hell hath no fury. If they dont get the posts deleted they stop paying their sponsorship money. Now for anyone undergoing SMP, you would not go to a SMP Clinic who acts in this same way. It would be best to go to a SMP Clinic who displays honesty, integrity and a friendly tone.
Damien
Thank you for your reply yesterday. I had a chance to glance over your website. No im not a prospective customer lol but it was interesting all the same.
Quite a bit of info on the colourings. Any potential SMP patient research this thoroughly and dont be afraid to ask whom is supplying the ink etc. Every Clinic is likely to be different.
Good info provided on how long the SMP will last before fading etc. Effects of sun exposure mentioned and rightly so.
Above all it is quite informative and provides a good background for the commencement of thorough research.
But mainly Damien the issue i have is the perception of SMP to others. In a social/professional society everyone is becoming more and more image conscious. Hell the average girl takes more selfie photos pictures of herself in the evening than what Buzz Aldrin took of the moon.
Everyone is judged more and more on their appearance. This perception is never going to change and all probabilities it will become more and more impotant than ever to look the best you can.
There is no escaping the fact that people find SMP ridiculous. Thats the world we live in. But we cant escape the fact that people want to undergo this procedure.
Now i have already mentioned when you are in your 40s you become less interested in what people think of the fact that you have had SMP done. You may have a family, secure income etc and a few comments of Tattoo head can easily be shrugged off.
But its the guys in their 20s. When they are NW2-3 and they have a small SMP session nobody may never know they have had it done. It can be very easily disguised.
But when they become NW5+ this is no longer the case. Some poor souls reach NW5 at 20. The social implications of SMP for guys in their 20s are huge.
For most guys in their 20s, girls are the big thing on their mind, hell yeah! But girls in their 20s are also at their most shallowest. One mention of the fact that you have hair tattoed on your head, will have them in hysterical fits of laughter. You can imagine their conversations. "Hey that guy over there he is kind of cute, its such a shame he has dots painted on his hair to pretend he has hair".
This is a real shame. But we can not escape from this and that is why SMP for NW3+ guys in their 20s will have a huge impact in their lives. Granted they may be strong enough to deal with such humiliation. Some people have a bigger chin than others.
What do you do with a young guy who has SMP at 21 he is a NW3, 6mths later he is a NW5 and needs more work and then sadly he is NW7 at 25 and even more work and additional touch ups to the existing SMP (if necessary) to ensure colour match.
Do you reccommend that SMP patients have Finasteride prescribed to them and use Rogaine foam?
I do acknowledge that some girls and guys would not be bothered and would not gossip over somebody whom has had SMP done and they are real good people.
But this world is full of bad people as well, not to mention people who dont realise how insensitive their comments actually are.
These guys need protecting. But i understand if you turn a guy down he will just end up somewhere else. But at least you have stood the moral ground.
But then you could argue its their heads, we will give them what we think is suitable. Is that ethical? Well we could spend the remaining years of our lives arguing that. What is ethical to someone is not to another.
The important thing is as you would probably agree that the patient is fully informed and if they decide they want to research as much as they can on the internet then so be it.
And as i mentioned in my last post if somebody is dithering over whether to undergo SMP they are not a suitable candidate.
We will agree on many things Damien, but others we will never agree on. Myself and TC have made some valid comments and addressed some areas that may be very concerning. That does not mean we are entirely correct with our opinions 100% of the time. We are just voices, the same as yourself. You have views on SMP that will always illustrate the positivity of SMP, whereas me and TC illustrate the negativity of SMP. But being able to discuss without insults is the beauty of dialogue and will help anyone who decides whether or not SMP is the option for them.
If by reading this thread a prospective patient learns to ask valid questions about SMP to a Clinic that he would not have done if he did not read this thread. Then that will have a positive outcome for that individual, he may steer away from Clinics that dont provide the correct answers.
To conclude my view of SMP on individuals whom are NW3+ is frankly ridiculous. But that is only my perception and what i think if i saw a head Tattoo. I dont need to meet a SMP patient in real life, i know artistically it can look good. Its the social stigma associated with SMP that is my concern.
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FIX MA HEED
Valued member
Topcat, can I ask if you read my diary? Do you think my treatment looks shit yeah? If everyone looking at my treatment thinks this can you tell me how none of my family, friends or the hundreds of people I have met at the temple have no clue about my treatment/head "tattoo" lol? Everyone has told me that I should keep my hair cut like this and it suits me way better than the style I had before. I have also had someone massaging my head and they had no clue either
and yeah I do like the hip-hop ish look and I have been doing martial arts for the past 22 years
and yeah I do like the hip-hop ish look and I have been doing martial arts for the past 22 years
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Coopman thank you for taking the time to put that reply together ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.I m feeling lazy.
FIX MY HEAD ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦I do not share the opinion ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦I get it ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..you think it looks good ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..I m happy for you I think you would have been good just shaving it off like most MMA fighters do but it is just my opinion.
Yes I do the martial arts thing too and have been doing it for a very, very long time. I enjoy bone conditioning which most do not understand and find too extreme you have to be a martial artist to understand it so we have something in common.
FIX MY HEAD ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦I do not share the opinion ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦I get it ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..you think it looks good ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..I m happy for you I think you would have been good just shaving it off like most MMA fighters do but it is just my opinion.
Yes I do the martial arts thing too and have been doing it for a very, very long time. I enjoy bone conditioning which most do not understand and find too extreme you have to be a martial artist to understand it so we have something in common.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Hey Fix My Head I want to show you a piece of equipment I designed. I can give it away because there is no market for it too extreme for most but really good for conditioning the shins. I have been doing bone training for about 37 years now. My favorite are the hands mine are like stone. This is easy to make just take a wooden fence post and cut some slots into. Kind of like a makiwara but for the shins. Most simply do not understand this type of training it looks easy but it's not.
This type of training reminds me so much of fue by hand because the same principle applies. Very easy to give up in the beginning because it is so difficult to do but after years the difficult becomes easy. So all those doctors that did not offer fue in the past when it might have been the better option the simple fact was it was too hard for them and it was easier to just give up and come up with excuses.
We are not going to agree on the tattoo thing but I don t have anything personally against you so don t take it that way. If you are happy then I am happy for you.
shin training
This type of training reminds me so much of fue by hand because the same principle applies. Very easy to give up in the beginning because it is so difficult to do but after years the difficult becomes easy. So all those doctors that did not offer fue in the past when it might have been the better option the simple fact was it was too hard for them and it was easier to just give up and come up with excuses.
We are not going to agree on the tattoo thing but I don t have anything personally against you so don t take it that way. If you are happy then I am happy for you.
shin training
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FIX MA HEED
Valued member
Just wondered if you think my treatment looks terrible or not? Because nobody has rumbled me so it must look and pass as a shaved head? I know it sounds like a crazy thing to do but is it crazier than a women "tattooing" eye brows or make up on? It can always be removed easily in the future if need be. I don't think its crazier than spending 6 hours sculpting my head with some weird fibres LOL, now thats crazy! I honestly think SMP will end up a normal thing like womens 3D eye brows nowadays. I used to spend hours and hours sculpting my head with hair fibres, gel and hairspray which took over my life. My biggest worry about hairloss was shaving my head and what I would look like. I had to get drunk to shave my head and hated the way I looked. I know it was due to deep down personal issues but after my treatment thats all gone and Im finally happy and enjoying life. Its funny every single person has told me my hair style now is 100 times better than before and I should keep shaving it lol.
I understand that you don't like SMP and how it looks etc which is fair enough. The only reason Im commenting on this forum is because if I had come on here before I found HIS and read your comments about SMP I would have lost all hope and god knows what i would have done, I was so dangerously depressed and HIS/SMP has pretty much saved and changed my life and it does the same for thousands of people worldwide.
p.s. oh bone conditioning sounds very interesting, do you have any good links you can give me to read up on please? I have been in love with Muay Thai for the past 14 years so shin bone conditioning is something that would be of great benefit
I understand that you don't like SMP and how it looks etc which is fair enough. The only reason Im commenting on this forum is because if I had come on here before I found HIS and read your comments about SMP I would have lost all hope and god knows what i would have done, I was so dangerously depressed and HIS/SMP has pretty much saved and changed my life and it does the same for thousands of people worldwide.
p.s. oh bone conditioning sounds very interesting, do you have any good links you can give me to read up on please? I have been in love with Muay Thai for the past 14 years so shin bone conditioning is something that would be of great benefit
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Hey I just posted above take a look............easy to make and no I do not think you look terrible. Your looks very good from the picture..........I wish I could say that for the majority. I hope it lasts for you.
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topccat29
29 year HT veteran
For hand training I have used the makiwara over the years but mostly just a 2 X 4 now. I do this thing with a 10 lbs mallet and strikes to the core. When I was in my 20 s I went up against a 230 lbs prison guard in the boxing ring. This guy was a real prick ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.and I only weighed about 180 lb. He hits me with a bodyshot that completely left me gasping for air. Took me about a full minute to get up from the canvas and continue the round. I told myself that s not going to happen again.
I brought up the core training device I designed earlier in the thread because I do get excited about fitness/nutrition.
Here is some hand training but most will simply not understand this, much too extreme for them. I understand that but thought you would be interested.
hand training
shin training
I brought up the core training device I designed earlier in the thread because I do get excited about fitness/nutrition.
Here is some hand training but most will simply not understand this, much too extreme for them. I understand that but thought you would be interested.
hand training
shin training
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FIX MA HEED
Valued member
Ah sorry I didn't notice your replies above!
Thanks for saying I look good in picture etc, means a lot! and I did wonder mainly because if you thought mine looks bad others might and I haven't experience that so got me thinking.
Thanks a lot for the links, this looks brilliant! Im going to forward these to my instructor and see if we can make them for the gym. No palm trees in scotland ha ha so this looks like a great way to condition the shins and hands. Impressive!
Thanks for saying I look good in picture etc, means a lot! and I did wonder mainly because if you thought mine looks bad others might and I haven't experience that so got me thinking.
Thanks a lot for the links, this looks brilliant! Im going to forward these to my instructor and see if we can make them for the gym. No palm trees in scotland ha ha so this looks like a great way to condition the shins and hands. Impressive!
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
I have gone through quite a few muay thai bags over the years along with cement filled heavy bags. The post might be a hard starting point but you can always add a pad to it to start with. For a heavy bag I use a log hung by eyebolts and lightly wrapped with a thin sheet of rubber. Much better then store bought bags and cheaper but I had to buy a chain hoist to lift it up and hang it.
I started this thread as a way to address some on this forum. Their behavior appeared to be bordering on predatory to me and it was creeping my out. It s like watching some weirdo down by the playground ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦I can t simply walk away without saying anything ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.. always have to go up and ask what the person is doing here or something similar.
I don t like the gangsta look personally as I think it attracts too much negativity which personally I don't need to deal with, not worth it. I m not judging you just giving you my opinion. I am very conservative in dress and appearance and always nice along with being very polite to people until the moment comes when they think they can say and do what they want then it all changes for me. So I m not trying to be aggressive in this thread but when hit by multiple attackers maybe I just get a carried away.
As I wrote your work looks really good in all honesty but you also have the head size and shape along with the facial features to look good with a completely shaved head with no tattoo and that does make a difference. Hope it lasts for you as I stated but if it doesn t you really don t need it.
BTW those hair fibers look completely bizarre and unnatural not sure why people use them. I use a spray but it s a completely different animal and just lightly colors the scalp while reducing shine.
I started this thread as a way to address some on this forum. Their behavior appeared to be bordering on predatory to me and it was creeping my out. It s like watching some weirdo down by the playground ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦I can t simply walk away without saying anything ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.. always have to go up and ask what the person is doing here or something similar.
I don t like the gangsta look personally as I think it attracts too much negativity which personally I don't need to deal with, not worth it. I m not judging you just giving you my opinion. I am very conservative in dress and appearance and always nice along with being very polite to people until the moment comes when they think they can say and do what they want then it all changes for me. So I m not trying to be aggressive in this thread but when hit by multiple attackers maybe I just get a carried away.
As I wrote your work looks really good in all honesty but you also have the head size and shape along with the facial features to look good with a completely shaved head with no tattoo and that does make a difference. Hope it lasts for you as I stated but if it doesn t you really don t need it.
BTW those hair fibers look completely bizarre and unnatural not sure why people use them. I use a spray but it s a completely different animal and just lightly colors the scalp while reducing shine.
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FIX MA HEED
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Yup im defo loving the shin post, guess we could cover up if need be until the shins get used to it.
I know what you mean about the gangsta look. Me i have aways been into hip hop so like how this kinda looks more hip hop hair wise. But i don't in anyway act like that, I'm very polite and kind to people. I was recently a buddhist monk after all, doesn't go with hip hop I know but thats just me lol
thanks, i think my issue was when I shaved it I felt my flaw was exposed. I could not wait to have the SMP to cover up and hide my flaw again. When I used fibres I would spend so long to make sure nobody could see I was balding.
Hair fibre wise they are ok when you have a decent about of hair to work with. Nonbody knew I was balding, they just thought I had a stupid hair style LOL
by the way whats the deal with PM's on this forum? Seems I can't read any
I know what you mean about the gangsta look. Me i have aways been into hip hop so like how this kinda looks more hip hop hair wise. But i don't in anyway act like that, I'm very polite and kind to people. I was recently a buddhist monk after all, doesn't go with hip hop I know but thats just me lol
thanks, i think my issue was when I shaved it I felt my flaw was exposed. I could not wait to have the SMP to cover up and hide my flaw again. When I used fibres I would spend so long to make sure nobody could see I was balding.
Hair fibre wise they are ok when you have a decent about of hair to work with. Nonbody knew I was balding, they just thought I had a stupid hair style LOL
by the way whats the deal with PM's on this forum? Seems I can't read any
C
Coopman
Valued member
Fix ma heed
The pm was from me. Just stating as TC said your headshape suits the buzzed look and that i would not be able to tell you have had SMP done from your picture you posted.
I didnt want to hijack the thread so sent a pm. As you had been courteous in your posts it was only fair i gave you some feedback.
I also was very curious when you stated that you had your head massaged and they did not know you had SMP done. I didnt believe. But this evening i had a shave and i could see the stubble but not feel it. I was proved wrong.
I also understood your statement when you said you dont want to get busted for having a head tattoo. I wear a bit of a hair thickening spray so i know exactly where u r coming from.
If you contact Bigmac (SITE ADMIN) He can diable your pm settings. I think nww members dont have immediate access.
The pm was from me. Just stating as TC said your headshape suits the buzzed look and that i would not be able to tell you have had SMP done from your picture you posted.
I didnt want to hijack the thread so sent a pm. As you had been courteous in your posts it was only fair i gave you some feedback.
I also was very curious when you stated that you had your head massaged and they did not know you had SMP done. I didnt believe. But this evening i had a shave and i could see the stubble but not feel it. I was proved wrong.
I also understood your statement when you said you dont want to get busted for having a head tattoo. I wear a bit of a hair thickening spray so i know exactly where u r coming from.
If you contact Bigmac (SITE ADMIN) He can diable your pm settings. I think nww members dont have immediate access.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Okay makes sense ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.I grew up watching the television show Kung Fu in the 70 s with the master at the Shaolin Temple and young Grasshopper ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.loved it as there was always a moral to the story and one learned goodness and iron fist originates from Kung Fu along with iron body training. They are peaceful people and I absolutely love the philosophy and believe in karma. Most simply do not understand the training. Even when I'm at the MMA gym people freak out when I hit a metal plate.............young guys are not familiar with the very hard style techniques and it makes them nervous............which makes me laugh.........lol............
Not sure about the PM s ¦ ¦ ¦.you would have to ask the moderator. Coopman thank you for the support
I try to do something good with my past and that something good is for someone else.
From the TV show Kung FU,
Caine Is it good to seek the past, Master Po? Does it not rob the present?
Master Po: If a man dwells on the past, then he robs the present. But if a man ignores the past, he may rob the future. The seeds of our destiny are nurtured by the roots of our past.
Not sure about the PM s ¦ ¦ ¦.you would have to ask the moderator. Coopman thank you for the support
I try to do something good with my past and that something good is for someone else.
From the TV show Kung FU,
Caine Is it good to seek the past, Master Po? Does it not rob the present?
Master Po: If a man dwells on the past, then he robs the present. But if a man ignores the past, he may rob the future. The seeds of our destiny are nurtured by the roots of our past.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
I think some of these guys like the 2 guys on this forum that I described as weirdos somehow think that by causing commotion and chaos they will somehow benefit monetarily. It just exposes them as bigger a-holes in my book. Gather as much information as possible because that is all it is information and make the best decision for your hair loss situation that works for you. Just understand many of these guys both in HT and SMP are up to no good ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..and that can t be denied.
Patients and prospective patients create more connections between yourselves and less with those making the money.
I do this simply because I have a moral obligation and nothing more.
Patients and prospective patients create more connections between yourselves and less with those making the money.
I do this simply because I have a moral obligation and nothing more.
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hairhair98
Valued member
Wow dude... did you really ignore the rebuttals i made, and instead just repeat the same stuff again? Your credibility goes out the door when you cant back up what you say, or even attempt to defend it. When you avoid answering questions, it usually means that you cant answer them without having to concede that your argument is incorrect/flawed.
Again. Have you ever seen SMP from a reputable clinic in person, and have you spent any meaningful time on a reputable SMP clinic's forum?
Why are you only discussing bad SMP treatments? If i were to only use pictures of bad HT procedures, and make a thread titled 'dont get a hair transplant, here's why', would you consider that an accurate depiction of the surgical industry? Even someone as stubborn headed as you should be able to realize that that type of behavior is unethical. If it isn't, then explain why.
If this treatment looks ridiculous and isn't fooling anyone, then why do thousands of people get it done after seeing it, and report back that everyone loves it (including young women)? Do you think they are lying? Do you think they are all out of touch with what does and doesn't look good? What is your explanation?
Where is all the feedback from reputable clinics that support your claims that it looks ridiculous, young women dont like it, clients cant go to weddings, etc.? Where is the evidence that these statements are based on?
topccat29 wrote:
I previously explained to you how this case involves someone who just had their treatment applied, and is experiencing an issue that is sometimes seen just after a treatment. An 'army' didnt dismiss him... what we did was tell him his concern was valid, explain why it was happening, and inform him that it should go away in a few weeks just like everyone else that reports it. It's all there in black and white.
We are now a few weeks out from that thread, and the client has reported that the treatment is turning grey as it should, and that he is not really experiencing the blue hue anymore.
So do you know what this means? It means that this case actually disproves the argument you are trying to make... which is what i told you the first time you used it. Now will you acknowledge the truth, or will you continue to use it to support your argument even after i re-explained how it doesn't?
I already told you how you can support your argument... it's very easy. Go back through the HIS archives and find cases where the treatment remained blue and had to be removed. There are thousands of threads that go back 5 or 6 years, so it shouldn't take you long to get a few dozen.
I'LL WAIT.
Attempting to correct misinformation has nothing to do with a dollar sign, it's just common decency.
Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to say that we are promoting a life destroying cosmetic procedure, which we have done to ourselves, for financial gain, of which there is none? It's pretty ridiculous.
Oh please. Stop with all this 'im a unique flower that goes against popular trends and always fights for the little guy and takes bullets so that you dont have to' BS. You aren't as different as you think you are, many many people do the same things.
The only difference between you and i is that i can back up what i say with evidence, and dont dole out advice on subjects i lack sufficient knowledge about.
In this thread you have LITERALLY had someone tell you that this procedure changed their life for the better. They also said that if they had read this thread first, they probably wouldn't have went forward with it. Do you see the problem there? You are potentially turning people off to a viable solution for their depression/anxiety brought on by hair loss issues. Does it make you feel good to instill doubt in someone, where there need be none? Or worse, does it make you feel good to unnecessarily prevent someone from doing something that could legitimately free them from their hairloss problems?
Hell, you even said that his treatment looked really good, after previously saying stuff like "tattooing one's head looks like complete shit and makes the person look like a clown". So which one is it?
You are using disingenuous methods (only discussing bad smp results), and biased unfounded opinions (that are actually disproved by the avaliable data), to scare people away from a procedure that when performed by a competent clinic has PROVEN to be beneficial to those dealing with hairloss problems. Shameful. People like you are the reason why the hairloss industry has a bad reputation when it comes to honesty/integrity.
You really need to rethink your approach here.
Again. Have you ever seen SMP from a reputable clinic in person, and have you spent any meaningful time on a reputable SMP clinic's forum?
Why are you only discussing bad SMP treatments? If i were to only use pictures of bad HT procedures, and make a thread titled 'dont get a hair transplant, here's why', would you consider that an accurate depiction of the surgical industry? Even someone as stubborn headed as you should be able to realize that that type of behavior is unethical. If it isn't, then explain why.
If this treatment looks ridiculous and isn't fooling anyone, then why do thousands of people get it done after seeing it, and report back that everyone loves it (including young women)? Do you think they are lying? Do you think they are all out of touch with what does and doesn't look good? What is your explanation?
Where is all the feedback from reputable clinics that support your claims that it looks ridiculous, young women dont like it, clients cant go to weddings, etc.? Where is the evidence that these statements are based on?
topccat29 wrote:
This is such a dirty tactic...
I previously explained to you how this case involves someone who just had their treatment applied, and is experiencing an issue that is sometimes seen just after a treatment. An 'army' didnt dismiss him... what we did was tell him his concern was valid, explain why it was happening, and inform him that it should go away in a few weeks just like everyone else that reports it. It's all there in black and white.
We are now a few weeks out from that thread, and the client has reported that the treatment is turning grey as it should, and that he is not really experiencing the blue hue anymore.
So do you know what this means? It means that this case actually disproves the argument you are trying to make... which is what i told you the first time you used it. Now will you acknowledge the truth, or will you continue to use it to support your argument even after i re-explained how it doesn't?
I already told you how you can support your argument... it's very easy. Go back through the HIS archives and find cases where the treatment remained blue and had to be removed. There are thousands of threads that go back 5 or 6 years, so it shouldn't take you long to get a few dozen.
I'LL WAIT.
Re-read my reply about HIS expanding across the US on basically no advertising. Then re-ignore it and continue to repeat yourself.
Attempting to correct misinformation has nothing to do with a dollar sign, it's just common decency.
Again. I have had the procedure performed on myself, and i receive no financial benefit from recommending it. It's the same for most of the people responding.
Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to say that we are promoting a life destroying cosmetic procedure, which we have done to ourselves, for financial gain, of which there is none? It's pretty ridiculous.
Oh please. Stop with all this 'im a unique flower that goes against popular trends and always fights for the little guy and takes bullets so that you dont have to' BS. You aren't as different as you think you are, many many people do the same things.
The only difference between you and i is that i can back up what i say with evidence, and dont dole out advice on subjects i lack sufficient knowledge about.
Boy this right here. This is the kind of stuff that makes me want to spit. You're trying to paint US as the bad guys because we are trying to prevent people in a bad emotional state from being misled by bad information. You're implying that correcting misinformation is the same as the deceitful tactics used by malicious HT companies for financial gain. Unreal.
In this thread you have LITERALLY had someone tell you that this procedure changed their life for the better. They also said that if they had read this thread first, they probably wouldn't have went forward with it. Do you see the problem there? You are potentially turning people off to a viable solution for their depression/anxiety brought on by hair loss issues. Does it make you feel good to instill doubt in someone, where there need be none? Or worse, does it make you feel good to unnecessarily prevent someone from doing something that could legitimately free them from their hairloss problems?
Hell, you even said that his treatment looked really good, after previously saying stuff like "tattooing one's head looks like complete shit and makes the person look like a clown". So which one is it?
You are using disingenuous methods (only discussing bad smp results), and biased unfounded opinions (that are actually disproved by the avaliable data), to scare people away from a procedure that when performed by a competent clinic has PROVEN to be beneficial to those dealing with hairloss problems. Shameful. People like you are the reason why the hairloss industry has a bad reputation when it comes to honesty/integrity.
You really need to rethink your approach here.
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hairhair98
Valued member
Coopman wrote:
Secondly, what are you basing this opinion on? Are you basing this on those random comments from an article in which you admitted that the lighting was bad on? You think that is an accurate assessment of how the public reacts to SMP?
There is a mountain of feedback from people discussing real face to face interactions with the public, and it overwhelmingly says that the public reacts positively to it. Why are you discounting all of that feedback? Isn't that more useful/accurate than random blog comments about bad pictures of SMP?
I've read many many reports that say this stuff doesn't happen. Young guys say they pull as many or more women than they did before SMP, and that it goes largely unnoticed. The guys that tell young women about the SMP report that they are extremely supportive of it and say it looks great.
Tell me something cooperman... you seem to be of the mindset that SMP is viable when done correctly, but that people must be aware of the risks and only go with reputable clinics.
topccat has made it clear that he is against all SMP treatments, and he has supported that stance mostly by using unfounded speculation, as well as only discussing bad results.
You both seem to be on different pages, yet you commend him for saying what he has said. Do you agree that no one should get SMP, that good results should be ignored, and that it all looks ridiculous? Because that is what he is saying.
I'm having a hard time understanding why you think scaring people away from something you admit can work is a good thing.
It's ridiculous because it isn't real. Okay. You wear hair thickening spray... is that also ridiculous?
First of all, the social implications for being bald in your 20's are extremely negative.
Secondly, what are you basing this opinion on? Are you basing this on those random comments from an article in which you admitted that the lighting was bad on? You think that is an accurate assessment of how the public reacts to SMP?
There is a mountain of feedback from people discussing real face to face interactions with the public, and it overwhelmingly says that the public reacts positively to it. Why are you discounting all of that feedback? Isn't that more useful/accurate than random blog comments about bad pictures of SMP?
Again, what are you basing this on?
I've read many many reports that say this stuff doesn't happen. Young guys say they pull as many or more women than they did before SMP, and that it goes largely unnoticed. The guys that tell young women about the SMP report that they are extremely supportive of it and say it looks great.
Earlier you said that you had seen SMP on NW6-7 and that it was satisfactory to you.
Balanced discussion is wonderful, but the problem is that most of your negativity is speculation which has shown to be incorrect by the data available on the internet. There are downsides to SMP, but it's not because of the things you guys have listed.
Tell me something cooperman... you seem to be of the mindset that SMP is viable when done correctly, but that people must be aware of the risks and only go with reputable clinics.
topccat has made it clear that he is against all SMP treatments, and he has supported that stance mostly by using unfounded speculation, as well as only discussing bad results.
You both seem to be on different pages, yet you commend him for saying what he has said. Do you agree that no one should get SMP, that good results should be ignored, and that it all looks ridiculous? Because that is what he is saying.
I'm having a hard time understanding why you think scaring people away from something you admit can work is a good thing.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Hairhair98 you make a good point. If you started a thread do not get a hair transplant and here s why I would not care ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..I honestly would not care and probably would not join in and if I did it would be to mostly support what you were saying ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..you obviously do not know me ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦
If you started that same thread on a SMP forum I simply would not take the time to even look. The fact is if I cared about what you guys are doing on your forum I would register and comment but I don t care. I have been there only twice because the link was posted. If I see some weirdo or predator types creeping about trying to entice young men where I am at which is here I comment and that is why I started this thread ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ I m not over by you so I don t comment ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦I m here.
My opinion is it s shit ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦just respect my opinion ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..and I will respect your opinion. You like it ¦ ¦.hey good for you ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..more power to you my friend ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..you see no big deal I don t have a problem with you liking it.
And listen up a-hole ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦it s Coopman not Cooperman ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.hey I m just joking with you ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..you re working too hard ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.take a break pal
And I did let FIX MA HEED know he looked good but the fact is he did not need it as he has a similar look to someone like Jason Straham he should have just shaved his head and gone with that...............I hope it works out for him but I think if he had had the right people around him giving him good advice they would have told him that ...........sometimes all we need are those words. He seems like a really good guy so all the best to him.
Hey I'm doing some writing so I appreciate your posts...............there's a ht mafia too.............small group............haven't seen them in a while they might have disbanded............maybe they are writing show tunes or jingles..............anyway I always love the laughs..............so thanks
If you started that same thread on a SMP forum I simply would not take the time to even look. The fact is if I cared about what you guys are doing on your forum I would register and comment but I don t care. I have been there only twice because the link was posted. If I see some weirdo or predator types creeping about trying to entice young men where I am at which is here I comment and that is why I started this thread ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ I m not over by you so I don t comment ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦I m here.
My opinion is it s shit ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦just respect my opinion ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..and I will respect your opinion. You like it ¦ ¦.hey good for you ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..more power to you my friend ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..you see no big deal I don t have a problem with you liking it.
And listen up a-hole ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦it s Coopman not Cooperman ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.hey I m just joking with you ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..you re working too hard ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.take a break pal
And I did let FIX MA HEED know he looked good but the fact is he did not need it as he has a similar look to someone like Jason Straham he should have just shaved his head and gone with that...............I hope it works out for him but I think if he had had the right people around him giving him good advice they would have told him that ...........sometimes all we need are those words. He seems like a really good guy so all the best to him.
Hey I'm doing some writing so I appreciate your posts...............there's a ht mafia too.............small group............haven't seen them in a while they might have disbanded............maybe they are writing show tunes or jingles..............anyway I always love the laughs..............so thanks
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