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Do Not Tattoo Your Head

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Coopman

Valued member
Hairkiller

The title of the thread is "Do not tattoo your head". It is not intending to be positive about getting your head painted.

The purpose of why TC started this thread was to ensure anyone whom is considering a SMP procedure gets both sides to a story. (i assume TC you agree).

There are endless threads in the SMP section detailing this procedure, illustrating results etc. Anyone researching SMP can gain a lot of information from these informative threads.

So it is only fair that you get the other side of the argument. Just as you stated not all hair transplants are successful, i agree. So its only logical that not all SMP procedures are going to be successful either.

So which Clinic do you represent? Note the Clinics that show their SMP results on here have not criticised any posts on this thread. Why? Could be they are a little more ethical than others? Maybe they warn people before they get their SMP procedure that things can go wrong, or you may not get the results you desire?

At the end of the day. It is important people get to know both sides of the story. Every decision you make in life will affect your future and take you on a different path to the one you were leading. When you are on that path you can not turn back, thats simple linear progression.
If you make a decision in life, it is with you for eternity.
Have you ever had a regret in life? Have you ever wished you could turn back the hands of time?
We all have regrets and thats why its best to have two sides of the story, even if you dont agree.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Yes Coopman.............exactly I agree. I mean I don't mind a few comments from hairkiller but don't completely hijack the thread just start a new one.

A little off topic post here and there...............sure not a problem...............hey I do that too but when I do I try to acknowledge it and let the original poster know in my own way that I am not intending to take the thread completely in another direction.

A little off topic once in a while is okay ;)

Yeah my dad was a real car guy €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦to me it €™s seems to be a waste of money but I think when he came to this country he kind of fell in to that trap of needing to have a nice ride €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.you know with all the marketing €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.anyway I don €™t have a picture of that 73 Bonneville €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..but here is a picture of his 1975 Electra 225 €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.now it had what they called the Landau top. It was also a different shade but the color was completely different with rust color on the bottom and a tan top.

Now this car had some balls but not as much as that Bonneville €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦that Bonneville was old school know what I €™m sayin.


Okay I will stop talking about my dad's car.............sorry

But hey that car had some really nice lines................



 
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HairKiller

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Which clinic do I represent? No one, which HT clinic do you represent?

Look I read this thread some weeks ago and decided no to answer although the information given is not accurate and some times just fake, but today I decided to answer.

If you don't like real SMP -what has nothing to do with the pictures posted by TC- I have nothing to say but base it on REAL information. You've said that a guy with SMP would be laughed at him by everybody... when probably you've not met anyone with it done as far as if you had you would knew it is undetectable...

You've said inks turn green or blue because a tattoois friend of you has told you so... which is completely false because SMP inks are made of pure black pigment so unless physics laws don't apply to SMP this is not going to happen.

I don't represent any SMP company, in fact if you read my comments you won't find any sort of commercial name. I have nothing against who don't like shaved heads, I have nothing against those that say "hey SMP is not real hair"... it is TRUE. I'm against misinformation that is what you both have spread here since the very first post maybe without any bad intention.

Information from both sides are perfect. Information, not lies. Have nothing against you, but you have to admit those pics I've posted speak for themselves, not blues, not sharps, not lack of matching...
 
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Coopman

Valued member
Hairkiller

It is common knowlege in the Tattoo industry of colour fading in respect of tattoos over a period of time. Hence why a lot of people have colour touch ups, years after having a Tattoo.

Skin loses elasticity which means the dots become bigger over time.

This is not misinformation. Post what i have said on a Tattoo forum or visit some Tattooists, they will echo my views.

We will never agree on this SMP issue. But we are two different people. You may be left wing i may be right wing. Life would be damn boring if we were all the same and were afraid to express our views.

TC- great wheels. Im from the UK and whenever i see a vintage US car i sure as hell appreciate looking at them.
 
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IanD

Valued member
Having SMP done was the best decision I ever made. I love it, my girlfriend (who is the only person I've told) - she loves it. And for the first time in my life, I no longer think about my hair 24/7.
My advice to anyone considering it - do your research, Goto one of the big companies and see the results in person. Do not goto a regulr tattoist, they use different inks and needles. It's a different skill all together. Also - check out http://www.smpdebate.com for non-bias advice on the procedure.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Thanks Coopman my dad was a car guy.

Hairkiller I represent no one except myself. I €™m about passing on knowledge to others and if someone wants to go to a clinic that I finally found to be honest because the people there were honest people then that is up to them. I have no shame in stating that I have gone there. I have no shame in anything I say on a forum or in person. In fact what I do I think could very well be a negative for the clinic and it does bother me at times but I have to be honest and I have to try to help others avoid learning the hard way. I have encouraged only one patient to go there because of the fact that he was going to go back to the same guy that destroyed his head and it was more then I could stomach. The rest I advise to come up with their own list. I can tell you about my experience and that €™s about it. I was here long before BHR ever came into being by about 10 years. In fact I was here long before the majority that you see on these forums and I have observed them all. Just taking notes and observing.

Anyone can come into my home meet me, my family and my friends. Then you will find out what I €™m all about. I have watched this industry for about 30 years now. I consider myself very well read, informed and an honest person. The kind of guy that leaves no man behind. What I have found to be the problem in the hairloss industry is you have to many weasel type little boys that only care about themselves and how much money they can make who are not the type I would describe as a real man.

Those that work in this industry should open up their homes so others can meet them, their family and friends. Learn more about them and know where to find them if necessary. Having you head tattooed is a bad idea for many reasons but if you believe in it so much then start a thread touting all the benefits.


I will start the thread for you so watch for it. You can tell us about yourself, experience, age, knowledge base etc and if your not at least 30 then I can already tell you that you do not have enough life experience so don't even bother.

 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Dermatology. 2001;203(4):342-4.Tattoo pigment mimics positive sentinel lymph node in melanoma.Moehrle M[sup]1[/sup], Blaheta HJ, Ruck P.Author information AbstractA 42-year-old man with metastasizing melanoma from an unknown primary is presented. Initially a subcutaneous metastasis in the scapular region and a single lung metastasis were resected. Thorough examinations did not show any evidence of a primary tumour. From the site of the metastasis on the right scapular region, lymphoscintigraphy with axillary sentinel lymph node biopsy was performed. One axillary lymph node could be identified intra-operatively with the gamma probe as sentinel node. The sentinel node and 4 adjacent lymph nodes clinically showed black pigmentation. However, histopathological examination of the lymph nodes did not detect micrometastases. The pigmentation of the lymph nodes was due to decorative tattoos of the scapular skin.
Copyright 2001 S. Karger AG, Basel


This is a picture of a swollen lymph node located in the armpit.............my friend with all the tattoos had the same but it was the lymph node in the groin area which had to be removed. On another note a bra that is too tight on women constricts the flow of lymph fluid and substantially increases the risk for breast cancer. The lymph system is one of your body's first lines of defense..........treat it well and it will treat you well keeping you healthy and full of energy.




 
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damien

damien

Member
Hello everyone. I'm Damien and I work for and represent HIS Hair Clinic. I manage and moderate the HIS forum and I'm heavily involved in our marketing activities.

Coopman, Hairkiller is not a representative of HIS Hair Clinic. He is a long standing member of our forum and a HIS customer, nothing more, nothing less.
http://forum.hishairclinic.com/user/176487-hairkiller/

I felt compelled to respond to this thread following some of the comments made. Whilst I do not expect everyone who learns about SMP to become an instant advocate, and nor do I believe that SMP is the perfect option for everyone, the knowledge being shared on this thread is largely out of date and in some cases, wholly inaccurate. Many things have changed in recent years. Hair transplant technology has improved, hair systems are more realistic and easier to live with than they have ever been, and similarly, scalp micropigmentation has advanced considerably from where it once was.

That is not to say that there aren't good and bad results achieved. We see poor results all the time and remedial action is almost always necessary. I say this not to bash our competitors because there are decent providers out there besides HIS, but to acknowledge that the industry as a whole still has a long way to go before guaranteed minimum standards are maintained.

I don't even know if this will ever happen to be honest, I mean, look at the hair transplant industry. Sharks still operate, and regular people are still left to pick up the pieces. Likewise there are certain surgeons who rise head and shoulders above the rest for the betterment of everyone. Clients get better results and a positive change in their lives, whilst the surgeon benefits from an enhancement of their reputation and the commercial gain that inevitably follows. In the SMP sector, there is a reason why a handful of providers have the best reputations, because they are the providers that have invested heavily in developing their technique, in training and the ongoing maintenance of high standards. These providers subsequently offer better results and are more successful from a business point of view as a direct result.

My point, directed primarily at Topccat29, is that you cannot generalise statements about an entire industry based on the actions and results of a few.

The top 4 providers, all of which generally offer excellent results, account for over 90% of all treatments completed. The majority of problems you see (blue heads, super-straight hairlines, big dots etc) are the result of treatments completed by the remaining 10%. Why? Because this 10% is populated by clinics that either fail to grow because their results simply aren't good enough, or by those who think they can make a million overnight, invest hardly anything in their technique and strangely, don't respond efficiently when the inevitable complaints start to materialise. I realise that this in itself is a generalisation, and of course every clinic makes mistakes from time to time, but these are the facts.

You also need to separate short term panic/blending issues/dot shrinkage and other related reports, from real long term problems. SMP is a process, and the real long term result takes several weeks to materialise. We see it on our forum all the time. The client kicks up a fuss because they panic (understandably of course), and refuse to be talked down, no matter how many people tell them that everything is fine. A few weeks later they generally return with a big smile on their face. Cases like these should not be confused with genuinely bad treatments and long term problems that need to be rectified. Do hair transplants deliver perfect results instantly? Of course not.

Topccat29, your opening statement
"Most of this tattooing of dots on the head is only a couple of years old"

We developed SMP in 2002. Other providers surfaced in 2007. The last of the four leading providers I refer to (90% of all treatments combined) was established by 2010.

"I €™m not looking for comments or debate just want to post my thoughts and bring some balance"

So listen to what I say and don't argue?? If you didn't want a discussion, why did you post this thread, then when no-one responded, posted three more times on consecutive days to bump the thread until someone did? You did the same after Salvar at Vinci chimed in on this thread - you posted no less than 5 times until someone responded. Just look through this thread. Over half of the comments are by you, often in batches of 4-5 posts. I don't want to call you an attention seeker, but I struggle to come to any other conclusion.

Furthermore, to suggest that the owners of the business should invite clients into their homes just highlights your general ignorance. The vast majority of people in business, whatever sector they operate in, would not do this. Their homes are private spaces for themselves and their families, and it is not the right of ANY client to expect to be able to invade that space. Your suggestion, and the fact that you imply that business owners who do not allow this are somehow unethical, is absolutely ridiculous.

As for the armpit photo, I would love to understand the relevance.

Coopman, your tattooist friend:
"A friend of mine is a Tatooist whom i have known since school. A few months ago, i had a conversation with him about SMP and his immediate reaction was one of laughter and disbelief. He could not understand why someone would want to tatoo fake dots on to their heads, to make out they are not bald."

I'm sure your friend is a genuine guy with the very best of intentions, but his occupation as a tattooist does not qualify him to comment with any authority on SMP. Tattoo inks are constituted of many different colours. When they are attacked by the immune system and exposure to UV rays, over time they break up into their constituent colours to create the blue/green effect that anyone with aged tattoos or bad SMP will be familiar with. Proper SMP pigments are constituted of PURE BLACK only, so this occurrence is a physical impossibility. The splotchy effect is created due to the penetration depth used when applying a tattoo. The penetration depth of a properly executed SMP treatment is much more shallow, so this does not happen.

Saving the usual self-promo BS for another time, we have treated more than 10,000 clients. Salvar at Vinci says they've treated thousands of clients too. I happen to know that many leading providers now also count their clients in the thousands. So lets say there are 25,000 clients out there with SMP (I'm guessing of course). If SMP is such a bad idea, where are those 25,000 complaints? There are a few to be sure, but proportionally its a small number. Then subtract from this number the clients who went to some back street provider, and then subtract those who had a short term panic which was quickly resolved given time or mild remedial action. How many are you left with now?

Perhaps you should compare this to the hair transplant industry. Think their proportion of complaints will be more favourable? I'm not so sure.

Contrary to a comment made at the start of this thread, I DO want to debate this. Lets have a proper grown up discussion without the pitchforks and witch hunts. Any questions fire away, and maybe Salvar can chime in too.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Sure I agree some tattoo work looks better than others €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦definitely. Much of the work though honestly makes my jaw drop when I look at it. Just cannot believe someone would do that to another person €™s head. For me unethical is unethical as I do not care what a customer wants sometimes. If it goes against what I believe is the right thing to do I simply do not do it and that is exactly the way I conduct business in my own life.

The first patient who had a hair loss related tattoo whom I was familiar with would be DJ and that, just guess was very late 90 €™s early 2000 €™s. It turned to one big blob of blue crap over time €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..just the best way to describe it.

My friend at the gym who is heavily tattooed had a lymph node removed from his groin as it was swollen and painful, coincidence or is there a link. Mind you he is an MMA fighter so relatively healthy and active but very, very heavily tattooed.

I don €™t think injecting pigments into the body is healthy and a great deal of the work to me looks bizarre. This is just an honest opinion and I honestly believe young men are infinitely better off shaving their head if they are not ideal candidates for ethical hair transplant clinics. I also agree with your comment on the HT industry. It €™s 95%+ pure crap and simply money driven €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.most find out too late before they can gather enough information and make a better decision.

I am slowly putting a book together which is going to include a chapter on tattooing. To be honest I have no interest in making one penny in the hair loss industry as my interests are in health/nutrition/fitness but I feel this moral obligation to spend the time. If I do not do this €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..who will? Most simply fall into the trap of seeing the money involved and then start rubbing their hands together. I am not driven by money so of course I think I can make a difference in the lives of thousands of men for the better as I have much to say towards making better decisions. Making a positive difference is what the goal should be and I €™m sure you would agree.

What I say should not matter if you are offering something that is ethical, high quality and there is a market need. Most do not agree on what I have to say on many subjects €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦doesn €™t bother me as time is always the bearer of truth. If one can just wait long enough the truth eventually comes out. My words will slowly be lost as the market demand swallows them up. I have read that HIS tends to over moderate their own forum €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..is this true and if so why and yes the majority of HT forums do the same. When forums start to delete information €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦it speaks very loudly and it €™s telling you something.

Do you offer a section in your own forum where unhappy customers can freely express their opinion or do you have absolutely 100% satisfied customers?


So I just took a look at your site and seeing my thread title there made me laugh..........am I really that important. I think I might have been to your site once in the past as I followed a link but when I got there the post was deleted. Listen if you have a great product what I have to say really doesn't matter so that's the part I don't get. I mean really.............. judging by the responses there to what I have to say here I'm actually helping your business..................lol................c'mon you have to agree with that............lol...............I'm actually helping you as being some angry disgruntled guy making things up who doesn't understand much................that works towards your benefit.
 
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damien

damien

Member
Offering a service that you know to be substandard is unethical, as is not acting in the clients best interest. I agree that what the client wants is not always what is best for them, and we all have a moral responsibility to know the difference, and to respond appropriately.

Whether or not injecting pigments into the body is healthy is not an argument worth having because we will not reach an agreeable conclusion. Your points are valid but similarly tattooing has been going on for years, long before SMP existed of course. If the risks were unacceptably high, it would have been outlawed by now. Either that, or the problems you describe would be at epidemic levels.

Any over-moderation of the HIS forum would be my responsibility as it is a task I manage alone. I do not believe the forum is over-moderated, and nor do most of its members, but we have to be realistic here. The forum is owned by a company with a commercial interest in its content, so there are certain rules in place to ensure the continuation of its existence is viable. This means that competitors cannot be named (positively or negatively). As the forum is intristicly tied to our brand, we also have strict rules around bad language, racism, homophobia and other prejudicial behaviour. It most definitely does not mean that we over-moderate complaints and other negative feedback, in fact by encouraging discussion around these issues, people trust the forum more than if all the content were 100% positive. A 100% satisfaction rate is an unrealistic aim for any business, especially one as emotive and bespoke as ours.

What makes life difficult is the number of forum hijackers. Bearing in mind its the largest SMP-specific forum in the world, some providers see it as an opportunity to steal our customers. We have hard evidence in the form of posts and private messages. It happens all the time, and sometimes it is hard to differentiate between genuine complaints and spam.
 
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damien

Member
The thread on our forum was started by a member, not by me. It is common for discussions like these to spill across multiple forums.
http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/5695-do-not-tattoo-your-head/
 
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IanD

Valued member
This thread you created has actually made it onto the HIS Hair clinic forums:
http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/5695-do-not-tattoo-your-head/page-2

Don't you think if the forum was over moderated, the last thing they would do would direct potential clients to your thread?

I have been a member of the HIS hair clinic forum since September last year, and have yet to see them delete a single thread for being negative. Infact, they use negative threads to show how they always d their best to find a solution.
*edit* sorry, damien replied before me with the same link.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
I did notice the blueish dot thread just now..............like I wrote I do not visit your site.

You guys seem to be hammering that guy pretty good just my opinion but they do the same on the ht forums.

Looking at that guy's head.......................it looks terrible to me....................I feel very bad for that young man but that's his problem now.

I do not agree with what you are doing..................I'm sorry but you are hurting people.


BTW you comment on outlawing the injection of pigments if they caused harm would be an uneducated answer to how things really work. To long of a discussion to post here...............one must take personal responsibility.
 
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damien

damien

Member
For reference, topccat29 is referring to this thread
http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/5603-finally-did-it-and-booked-my-first-session-july-9th-in-chicago-w-mike/

How are we 'hammering him pretty good'?? He raised a concern and people who understand the process don't agree that there is a problem. His dots will fade over the coming days and weeks, and by all accounts, he should end up with a near-perfect treatment. Please explain how we are hurting people?

I'm aware of how the world works. Ok, so if placing pigment in the skin should have been outlawed but it hasn't, why not respond to my related point about the epidemic of issues we should be seeing?

You seem to do an awful lot of talking, and not a great deal of listening and understanding. You have your opinions and nothing, not even hard evidence, is going to change your mind. That is not a healthy mindset for anything constructive.
 

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Coopman

Valued member
Damien

It may not qualify my friend "Tattooist" to discuss with any authority of SMP. Its not something that he would ever consider doing, im merely only echoing his views. Dont shoot the messenger.

But as a Tattooist he is in a position where he needs to consider the psychological profile of his Client.
He has to ascertain whether the Tattoo his Customer is suitable for them, i dont need to remind you of some people you see walking the streets with Tattoos on their faces etc.

Now some tattoist had to put those Tattoos on their Clients face. Was that an ethical decision by the tattooist? Did the tattooist undertake the work because he was thinking of his wallet?
But the fact is someone done a Tattoo which was not in the long term interests of their Customer.

You correctly bring up the fact that there is good and bad Hair Transplant Clinics and make mention that there is good and bad SMP Clinics too and im sure the work your Clinic does is of a very high standard for SMP.

Now for prospective HT patients/SMP patients whom are busy researching their procedure on the Internet. They want to find out the good, the bad and the ugly.

We can spend all day meriting the pros of SMP. I have seen some good artistic work from yourselves and Salvar (Vinci) on some of the topic threads. My view is if the work is very subtle and barely noticeable without a NW1 hairline it can give SMP Clients the result they want.

But there is also the negatives. There are Clinics/Individuals doing SMP whom are operating without the best needs of their Clients at heart, which is the same as any other industry in the world.

But Tattooing someones head is different. Unless its temporary, then like a hair transplant its going to be there for the rest of that persons life.
You are always going to have a large number of satisfied SMP patients whom are going to be pleased with their results. But you are going to have those patients that are less so and you are then going to have the patients whom become severly depressed because of what they have done to their head.

If you are a guy in their 40s, happily married with children and have achieved what you have always wanted to achieve in life then having SMP done may not impact their lives.

But if you are a young 20 something single man. Then thats where we really have an issue. How do you convince a 21 year old man that he should wait another 5 years and then decide if he really wants SMP done.

As i have stated before being known as the guy with a head tattoo is quite a stigma to be associated with. How do you ascertain if the psychological behaviour of that individual demonstrates that they are strong enough to get through that?

The work, you and other SMP Clinics are doing has a huge impact on individuals lives. Just as Hair transplant Clinics. Its very rarely do you see a guy under 25 years of age having HT surgery from a reputable Clinic. What is your approach to ensuring guys of this age are prevented from undergoing SMP at such an early age?

Do you explain to guys how other people may view them after they undergo a SMP procedure? (im talking of NW5-7 individuals whom want the illusion of a head of hair).
We only have to look at the comments pages of online newspapers in respect of SMP to see their reactions.

You mention your SMP pigments are constituted of pure black only. How is this manufactured? What are the ingredients? Are you mixing with other primary colours to achieve pure black?

Other than that i dont have anything else to ask. My views are my own, people can read them on here. They may agree, they may disagree. They may even consider that im totally delusional.
But lets look at the positives from having both sides of the story. Anyone whom is dithering on whether or not to undertake SMP should not be a candidate for the procedure. They already have doubts in their head.

I fully stand by whatever i have said in my posts in respect to this thread. They are my views and mine alone. They will be shared with some, but ridiculed by others. But at the end of the day the psychological implications of this procedure must not be ignored. Diligent and careful cogitive behavioural aspects of the individual must be ascertained.
 
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FIX MA HEED

Valued member
So, I am a HIS Hair client and I would like to share my story. I completely disagree with most of Topcat and cooper man's comments.


http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/5500-fix-ma-heeds-story-with-pics/


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damien

damien

Member
Coopman, I dont think you're delusional at all. I think you're a skeptic and in this day and age, that's no bad thing.

Regarding your tattooist friend, I was not shooting the messenger at all. I was merely pointing out that a tattoo artist is no more able to comment on the intricacies of SMP than someone of any other profession. Once you establish that the pigments, equipment and technique are significantly different, there is very little that the two processes actually share. People always connect the two because they both involve an ink of some description being deposited in the skin via a needle, but thats where the similarity ends.

I agree with your facial tattoo comments. Its a fine line between giving the customer what they want, and acting in their best interest. Its a judgment call, and judgments are very subjective. What is considered an ethical judgment call by one person may be seen as unethical by another. I believe that as long as the INTENT is there, then the battle is half won. My main concern is with those where there is no intent to act in the persons best interest. Profit before people is a short sighted and short term approach from a business point of view, before we even start discussing ethics.

Regarding your question about the 21 year old man who wants SMP, and how we would talk him out of it, the short answer it that we wouldn't necessarily try at all. It depends entirely on the circumstances.

We absolutely have our clients best interests at heart, hence why we publish content like this
http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/2916-important-note-about-body-dysmorphic-disorder-please-read/

But a 21 year old hair loss sufferer has the same spectrum of negative emotions as a 31 year old, in fact in some ways, their feelings of inadequacy are more acute because of their age. They often feel even more out of place, even more different and even more open to ridicule. Many of our clients start balding before they reach their 18th birthday, so a few years later they come to us at 20, 21, 22 years of age and ask us for help. If the person is sound of mind and fully understands and appreciates the pros, cons and implications of what they're doing, we proceed with treatment.

This client has alopecia, and had SMP with parental consent at 15 years old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X77ux0hykN8&list=UU0fWRuhX6DanI--dvtXPTjg

My point is that age should not be the primary factor when considering the suitability of a treatment for a particular individual. Of course it is a consideration and we make absolutely sure that they are sound of mind and understand the negatives as well as the positives, but what is most important is that the client experiences a betterment of their life as a result of treatment. We turn clients away all the time, so believe me its not just one way traffic.

I would also argue that is more acceptable than a hair transplant in the context of a younger client. SMP is relatively easy to reverse whereas a hair transplant is not.

As far as comment pages of online newspapers are concerned, people hate what they dont understand. Hair transplant surgery is subjected to the same criticism. Conversely, those same articles win us a lot of clients despite the comments, because people do their own research and don't join the witch hunt.

You are entirely entitled to your opinions and they are to be respected of course. Thank you for taking the time to respond to mine.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Ian raises a good point and something that I would like my book to cover as the subject is extensive. My book has less to do with technique and to do with so much more. Plenty of doctor and industry written books out there €¦ €¦ €¦..we need more presented from a different point of view and I would encourage more to step forward and start that same process. The point Ian raises on the health issues and it being outlawed if it caused harm is a common misperception by most on how the system works. The system does not work this way and that is the type of information that most do not have. I could present thousands of examples but not here. It is only when enough damage has been done and the connection can be made that any issue hits the radar. Sometimes that can be as long as 50 years before the connection is made €¦ €¦..just the way it works.

I post for several reasons. To help inform others but it also it helps me start the writing process €¦ €¦ €¦..you know kind of like getting the fire going €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦just how my mind works and my habits are developed. No one should take what I say personally. I can tell you to your face that the idea to me is shit €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦and you would see that it really is not in an angry way. You would see that I would be stating my opinion with the information I have gathered so far and I would not be intimidated to do so. When I post it €™s not to get attention although I always appreciate the responses €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.it €™s to express myself.

Thanks Coopman for taking the time to post. Guys in the industry both tattoo and ht like to pile on which I understand this is how they make their living. I can also tell you over the last what is going on 16 years or so those that piled on who worked in the industry were proven to all be liars over time and they all just disappear with others taking their place. New guys to the forums do not know this because they only spend a short amount of time here and see the picture and not the movie.
 
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Topccat29, fair points. If you do get your book published I'll certainly buy it.
 
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