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IanD
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"Who's There?"
"IT'S TOPCAT, I'VE GOT A BOOK COMING OUT."
"Who's There?"
"IT'S TOPCAT, I'VE GOT A BOOK COMING OUT."
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topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Hey Beachy no need to apologize I'm not offended by anything I read here. And you are right if the product is really great the way you believe it then it will sell itself.
The only thing that bothers me are the 2 weirdo guys from here that instigated this thinking somehow they were going to gain and pull in more business..............it's dishonest and tells me all I need to know about them.
When I meet with other patients and mind you it's always for moral support we all get along really well because we are all dealing with basically the same experience and trying to figure out the best solution and can often share the same stories.
It's these guys out there trying to load their wallet with more cash that seem to instigate this type of thing, thinking somehow it is to their advantage. Patients/customers always get along when they meet and the dishonest outfits out there do not like this so they do their best to make sure it doesn't happen.
Hey Ian..............you're a funny guy
The only thing that bothers me are the 2 weirdo guys from here that instigated this thinking somehow they were going to gain and pull in more business..............it's dishonest and tells me all I need to know about them.
When I meet with other patients and mind you it's always for moral support we all get along really well because we are all dealing with basically the same experience and trying to figure out the best solution and can often share the same stories.
It's these guys out there trying to load their wallet with more cash that seem to instigate this type of thing, thinking somehow it is to their advantage. Patients/customers always get along when they meet and the dishonest outfits out there do not like this so they do their best to make sure it doesn't happen.
Hey Ian..............you're a funny guy
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Coopman
Valued member
Beachy
No problem, we all do it and sometimes we dont realise it until its pointed out to us.
You will always get credit for apologising.
IanD
Dude is this really necessary? ))N_) (edit) but hey maybe we all need a bit of humour every now and then instead of us guys slamming each others posts
No problem, we all do it and sometimes we dont realise it until its pointed out to us.
You will always get credit for apologising.
IanD
Dude is this really necessary? ))N_)
(edit) but hey maybe we all need a bit of humour every now and then instead of us guys slamming each others posts
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youngn
member
I think there are good possibilities for the industry but only a handful of clinics who can do it correctly at the moment. Beauty Medical has nearly all great results from the looks of it. I think alot of these clinics train people to tattoo that really have no training on proper hairlines.
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Malcolm
Member
Interesting debate listening to the for and against tattooing. On a different note has anyone got an opinion on Dhi claims that their temporary tattoo lasts 4 years, see the thread here.http://www.hairlossexperiences.com/view_topic.php?id=5202&forum_id=52
bullitnut
4 awesome repairs with SMG
I think when all said and done a Good SMP treatment is head and shoulders above a poor transplant......and a good HT is head and shoulders above a poor SMP procedure. What i'm getting at is, risks aside there are good and bad clinics offering both types of treatments and by combining the knowledge and working together we provide really great options in hair restoration.
My own preference happens to be a transplant, but thats probably because i'm happy with mine and know more about this operation.....but i'm sure the SMP patients who are happy with their procedures obviously prefer that option.
I have seen some SMP (admittedly not a lot) but from this i know it can look good...... so i'm not dismissing this as a poor treatment and i certainly think combined with FUE for guys with limited donor and for scar work it can help a lot.
Yeah theres risks and they need to be thought through....but then again theres risks with poor HT clinics too.
Every day i come on here and see different people who are now happy and have regained their confidence thanks to a Hair transplant and i know that on the flip side there are people on the SMP forum who are doing exactly the same...
Theres no getting away from the fact that it is making some people very happy....take David from Stockport for example he was a regular on here for many years and was suicidal with his own hairloss until he had his SMP, has now found peace and is happy which is awesome!!
I agree that the blue head concern from some of the tattoo artists can be very frightening and scary and to be honest is my major concern......so i say we need to make sure that the forums are used in a positive manor to weed out all the crappy clinics and help people use providers who can actually help hair loss sufferers find peace and get some sort of life back!!!
I know SMP is not everyones cup of tea so to speak and everyones got their own opinions and perspectives, but i try to keep an open mind because not long ago a Hair transplant was associated to most people with a pluggy dolls head type look, and we know this simply isn't true anymore........so thats the beauty of discussions, the internet and online forums....it can enable people to hear both the good and the bad so we can all make our own minds up about which road we wish to take to find a solution.
Just my opinion i'm not getting into the debate so i'm not posting on this thread again .
My own preference happens to be a transplant, but thats probably because i'm happy with mine and know more about this operation.....but i'm sure the SMP patients who are happy with their procedures obviously prefer that option.
I have seen some SMP (admittedly not a lot) but from this i know it can look good...... so i'm not dismissing this as a poor treatment and i certainly think combined with FUE for guys with limited donor and for scar work it can help a lot.
Yeah theres risks and they need to be thought through....but then again theres risks with poor HT clinics too.
Every day i come on here and see different people who are now happy and have regained their confidence thanks to a Hair transplant and i know that on the flip side there are people on the SMP forum who are doing exactly the same...
Theres no getting away from the fact that it is making some people very happy....take David from Stockport for example he was a regular on here for many years and was suicidal with his own hairloss until he had his SMP, has now found peace and is happy which is awesome!!
I agree that the blue head concern from some of the tattoo artists can be very frightening and scary and to be honest is my major concern......so i say we need to make sure that the forums are used in a positive manor to weed out all the crappy clinics and help people use providers who can actually help hair loss sufferers find peace and get some sort of life back!!!
I know SMP is not everyones cup of tea so to speak and everyones got their own opinions and perspectives, but i try to keep an open mind because not long ago a Hair transplant was associated to most people with a pluggy dolls head type look, and we know this simply isn't true anymore........so thats the beauty of discussions, the internet and online forums....it can enable people to hear both the good and the bad so we can all make our own minds up about which road we wish to take to find a solution.
Just my opinion i'm not getting into the debate so i'm not posting on this thread again .
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Hey I understand bulitnut I wouldn t want to post either ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..so thanks for chiming in and no one wants to argue or cause trouble ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦it s just about getting as much information out their as possible. The cancer risk is very real and like I stated what do you say to someone who might be at risk. How exactly do you address someone who believes their cancer is a direct result of something they thought was safe to do because posters gave them assurances and everyone told them don t worry it s not going to happen ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.easy to say. But please someone here tell me what do you say to this person ¦ ¦ ¦.what are your words for that person who has now be diagnosed with lymphatic cancer, write them out for me. Maybe it's a simple sorry.............or maybe it's we just didn't know.
Bulitnut what would you say............I don't expect you to reply and it's not necessary............but in your mind what do you say to someone to someone who felt assured by the postings of forum members but now has cancer............do we just turn our back...............do we help to pay for the treatment..........would those that wrote posts of assurance help contribute............we all need to be careful of what we encourage others to do.
I started looking at the HIS site about 30 minutes ago because now I am curious and I would suggest others to go there just to read and see if you see anything that might help in understanding forums ¦ ¦ ¦.could be of value in your own research.
This one post stuck out after just a few minutes of review ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦not trying to be inflammatory here just saying this is a real issue ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦looking like you have hair is not worth this kind of risk in my opinion but then I also understand I am on the other end of the spectrum when it comes to health/fitness. But I also know that every person I have ever spoken to that had cancer always regretted many of their lifestyle choices.
Here is that post.
Hey guys,
I know that the swelling of lymph nodes is a normal body response but how painful are they supposed to be? I got lumps behind each ear and one on the back of my neck and holy sh@t they hurt. Even after I take Motrin or something to try and ease the pain they still hurt constantly all day. It didn't start until the following morning after treatment. Is it normal for them to constantly ache this bad?
Please shed some light on this for me.
Bulitnut what would you say............I don't expect you to reply and it's not necessary............but in your mind what do you say to someone to someone who felt assured by the postings of forum members but now has cancer............do we just turn our back...............do we help to pay for the treatment..........would those that wrote posts of assurance help contribute............we all need to be careful of what we encourage others to do.
I started looking at the HIS site about 30 minutes ago because now I am curious and I would suggest others to go there just to read and see if you see anything that might help in understanding forums ¦ ¦ ¦.could be of value in your own research.
This one post stuck out after just a few minutes of review ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦not trying to be inflammatory here just saying this is a real issue ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦looking like you have hair is not worth this kind of risk in my opinion but then I also understand I am on the other end of the spectrum when it comes to health/fitness. But I also know that every person I have ever spoken to that had cancer always regretted many of their lifestyle choices.
Here is that post.
Hey guys,
I know that the swelling of lymph nodes is a normal body response but how painful are they supposed to be? I got lumps behind each ear and one on the back of my neck and holy sh@t they hurt. Even after I take Motrin or something to try and ease the pain they still hurt constantly all day. It didn't start until the following morning after treatment. Is it normal for them to constantly ache this bad?
Please shed some light on this for me.
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topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Most guys are not going to go past the first page on a website even I didn t go past the 2[sup]nd[/sup] page on the SMP site. But now I will dig further because as I have stated my interest has been peaked, so I will visit more often. If you are researching HT you need to go way past those first 2 pages sometimes years to really understand. Sometimes threads might be deleted or archived, the nice way of saying no one will ever see this again that's for sure. So sometimes being there when it is posted is the only way you will have the information but of course this does not apply to all forums. Very important to be here everyday to really learn something.
BTW none of this has to do with some imagined power others think I seek ¦ ¦ ¦I just do not like to see others bullied or screwed over and it s as simple as that. You also do not seem to understand Chicago humor so maybe lighten up.
As long as you are not doing anything wrong don t be so concerned. But just in case I once read this in a book. If you are about to be arrested and you have no other option, crap your pants and pee on yourself then tell the officer what has happened. Chances are they don t want you in the back of their car so they might just give you a NOA (notice to appear) put that info in your back pocket.
Now see ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.that s just Chicago humor
BTW none of this has to do with some imagined power others think I seek ¦ ¦ ¦I just do not like to see others bullied or screwed over and it s as simple as that. You also do not seem to understand Chicago humor so maybe lighten up.
As long as you are not doing anything wrong don t be so concerned. But just in case I once read this in a book. If you are about to be arrested and you have no other option, crap your pants and pee on yourself then tell the officer what has happened. Chances are they don t want you in the back of their car so they might just give you a NOA (notice to appear) put that info in your back pocket.
Now see ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.that s just Chicago humor
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Another patient noticed 2 lumps in his neck which he tried to massage away. Then several months later a cluster of lumps in the groin area. So far 3 lumps in the neck and 4-6 in the groin. Will not be able to have any more pigment placed and hopes the lumps will shrink.
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Coopman
Valued member
I have just had the chance also to research SMP further in the past few days. Earlier in the thread i called people who practiced SMP head painters. I need to amend this.
Head Painter. A head painter is an individual that works for a non reputable Clinic. He wants your $$$ £ £ £ ¬ ¬ ¬. Whatever your wish he will tell you he can do it. Unfortunately if things dont go to plan you will become a victim and he will not give a toss.
SMP technician. Someone whom works for a reputable SMP Clinic and produces quality work.
I have seen great results from HIShairclub, Vinci, Milana lady. They are a good place to start your research.
I still think SMP is ridiculous. But that is based purely on the fact it is not real. This is a viable treatment.
I have had the opportunity to liase with a couple of people whom have had SMP and they are ecstatic with the results.
When a treatment becomes viable. There are entrepreneurs who are going to be appearing on the scene. Some will be good and some will be truly awful.
It is very important the awful, unethical Clinics do not gain a foothold in this developing market. Many people are going to have SMP without going online and base their choice of Clinic on price.
Prospective patients need to be scared of the consequences if they choose a poor SMP Clinic.
Now if i wanted to undergo SMP this information is what i would like to see on a SMP clinics website.
Laser removal options if i decide i dont like it.
I would like to be encouraged to continue using finasteride and Rogaine. More natural hair the less chance of being found out.
Sensible hairline design. NW0 hairlines look unnatural.
Images of what can go wrong if i choose a non reputable Clinic.
I would want to feel loved. How are you going to continue helping me in the future.
I have just read a couple of stories. Beachy just read yours. Man i can see how much this has changed your life.
Fixmehead. Been great sharing a few PMs with you. I will check out your story properly later.
When i saw you guys from the HIS forum, i thought of you as a bunch of thugs. When i read your stories, well i can truly appreciate yourreasons for undergoing this procedure.
I have pretty much accepted balding quite easily. I started balding at 14 hell thats 23yrs ago. Ive been lucky i have a hairline still and not yet gone beyond NW 4.
But i forget what its like for others. 2 yrs ago someone attacked me on a forum. I was not sensitive enough to realise there are guys that would love to be NW 4 and still be able to wear concealor.
I can totally understand how this procedure has changed lives.
I have touched on the issue of ethics. Guys in their 20s need to get fully educated on this procedure. I may have my opinions about this procedure. But it is important they are steered to a reputable Clinic where they are going to be looked after.
This is something we can all agree on.
Head Painter. A head painter is an individual that works for a non reputable Clinic. He wants your $$$ £ £ £ ¬ ¬ ¬. Whatever your wish he will tell you he can do it. Unfortunately if things dont go to plan you will become a victim and he will not give a toss.
SMP technician. Someone whom works for a reputable SMP Clinic and produces quality work.
I have seen great results from HIShairclub, Vinci, Milana lady. They are a good place to start your research.
I still think SMP is ridiculous. But that is based purely on the fact it is not real. This is a viable treatment.
I have had the opportunity to liase with a couple of people whom have had SMP and they are ecstatic with the results.
When a treatment becomes viable. There are entrepreneurs who are going to be appearing on the scene. Some will be good and some will be truly awful.
It is very important the awful, unethical Clinics do not gain a foothold in this developing market. Many people are going to have SMP without going online and base their choice of Clinic on price.
Prospective patients need to be scared of the consequences if they choose a poor SMP Clinic.
Now if i wanted to undergo SMP this information is what i would like to see on a SMP clinics website.
Laser removal options if i decide i dont like it.
I would like to be encouraged to continue using finasteride and Rogaine. More natural hair the less chance of being found out.
Sensible hairline design. NW0 hairlines look unnatural.
Images of what can go wrong if i choose a non reputable Clinic.
I would want to feel loved. How are you going to continue helping me in the future.
I have just read a couple of stories. Beachy just read yours. Man i can see how much this has changed your life.
Fixmehead. Been great sharing a few PMs with you. I will check out your story properly later.
When i saw you guys from the HIS forum, i thought of you as a bunch of thugs. When i read your stories, well i can truly appreciate yourreasons for undergoing this procedure.
I have pretty much accepted balding quite easily. I started balding at 14 hell thats 23yrs ago. Ive been lucky i have a hairline still and not yet gone beyond NW 4.
But i forget what its like for others. 2 yrs ago someone attacked me on a forum. I was not sensitive enough to realise there are guys that would love to be NW 4 and still be able to wear concealor.
I can totally understand how this procedure has changed lives.
I have touched on the issue of ethics. Guys in their 20s need to get fully educated on this procedure. I may have my opinions about this procedure. But it is important they are steered to a reputable Clinic where they are going to be looked after.
This is something we can all agree on.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
In my opinion the health risks are real. Some will experience them short term, others long term and some will be fine.
I believe this is a huge money making business and very likely bigger than many ht clinics as the overhead is very low. I can easily see $50K per week for just one location. Start doing the math and you can understand why some ht clinics want a piece.
Long term it is absolutely not a viable solution in my opinion. The skin loses it s integrity and over time you will come to the moment where you ask yourself why did I do this and what do I do now. I honestly believe this will happen.
Forums by their nature are corrupt and those that are self sponsored even more so. Too much cheerleading makes for a cult like atmosphere and when you see that it is a sign that something is not right so stay aware of this point.
These are all my opinions and if it is helpful to others great. Always good to have that other voice saying wait ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..think long and hard first ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.put emotion to the side. Think logically and if it makes sense to you by all means make the decision that is right for you. If it does not then just wait and watch. The fact is you have less of a chance being harmed by waiting and watching regardless of what type of cosmetic procedure you are pursuing.
I believe this is a huge money making business and very likely bigger than many ht clinics as the overhead is very low. I can easily see $50K per week for just one location. Start doing the math and you can understand why some ht clinics want a piece.
Long term it is absolutely not a viable solution in my opinion. The skin loses it s integrity and over time you will come to the moment where you ask yourself why did I do this and what do I do now. I honestly believe this will happen.
Forums by their nature are corrupt and those that are self sponsored even more so. Too much cheerleading makes for a cult like atmosphere and when you see that it is a sign that something is not right so stay aware of this point.
These are all my opinions and if it is helpful to others great. Always good to have that other voice saying wait ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..think long and hard first ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.put emotion to the side. Think logically and if it makes sense to you by all means make the decision that is right for you. If it does not then just wait and watch. The fact is you have less of a chance being harmed by waiting and watching regardless of what type of cosmetic procedure you are pursuing.
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hairhair98
Valued member
Great post coopman.
topccat you're on a sinking ship bro.
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Just some FYI about some things ive read.
HIS has started to incorporate laser removal service at some of their locations. People have reported great results from it, both for correcting bad SMP jobs from other clinics, and for adjusting the shape of hairlines. The laser technician is on the forum frequently and answers any questions about it.
HIS also offers a test patch for prospective clients. For a small fee you can have a small amount of dots placed on your scalp so that you can better determine if you want to do the whole thing.
also, here is a direct link to my diary if anyone wants to read it:
http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/5117-hairhair98s-diary-nw6-with-ht-scar-includes-photos/#entry55341
topccat you're on a sinking ship bro.
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Just some FYI about some things ive read.
HIS has started to incorporate laser removal service at some of their locations. People have reported great results from it, both for correcting bad SMP jobs from other clinics, and for adjusting the shape of hairlines. The laser technician is on the forum frequently and answers any questions about it.
HIS also offers a test patch for prospective clients. For a small fee you can have a small amount of dots placed on your scalp so that you can better determine if you want to do the whole thing.
also, here is a direct link to my diary if anyone wants to read it:
http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/5117-hairhair98s-diary-nw6-with-ht-scar-includes-photos/#entry55341
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
hairhair I don't quite get you. If you like it that's fine and I have already made this statement. I don't think it a good idea for many of the reasons I have stated. It's only information a reader can consider it or dismiss it.
For some reason you take this very personal and that is the part I just don't get.
I do not like the long term implications and I do not like the health risks, these are both valid concerns.
Many people do things early in life that lead to cancer or some other disease which they regret. At the time is seemed like a good idea but later in life it was met with regret as the short term happiness was not worth it as they look back.
You are a young guy..............you seem happy..................I certainly don't wish you bad but for some reason you seem to be taking it this way.
I believe in giving people as much information as possible regardless. This is not just with SMP it's with whatever information I may have that might help another.
People have the information on the lymph system which helps them make their own decision and accept responsibility. They can't say nobody told me and look to blame others. Same goes for hair transplantation, the patient has to have all the information........100% with nothing omitted...............then they can take full responsibility for the decision.
If you had all the information on hair transplantation you might have made a different decision and you were entitled to have that information.
For some reason you take this very personal and that is the part I just don't get.
I do not like the long term implications and I do not like the health risks, these are both valid concerns.
Many people do things early in life that lead to cancer or some other disease which they regret. At the time is seemed like a good idea but later in life it was met with regret as the short term happiness was not worth it as they look back.
You are a young guy..............you seem happy..................I certainly don't wish you bad but for some reason you seem to be taking it this way.
I believe in giving people as much information as possible regardless. This is not just with SMP it's with whatever information I may have that might help another.
People have the information on the lymph system which helps them make their own decision and accept responsibility. They can't say nobody told me and look to blame others. Same goes for hair transplantation, the patient has to have all the information........100% with nothing omitted...............then they can take full responsibility for the decision.
If you had all the information on hair transplantation you might have made a different decision and you were entitled to have that information.
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topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Hairhair a better way to explain this to you would be using your hair transplant as an example. If you would have had access to this forum back then I would have told you that what that doctor is preparing to do is ill advised for many reasons mostly long term which he might not have mentioned and I would have not been alone as other posters and clinics here would probably had advised the same on a 21 year old having a strip for 500 grafts. Yet that doctor and many others clinics think that the procedure that was performed on you was a reasonable decision on their part and would vigorously defend it. I m sure a great deal of information was omitted, which is really not fair to you.
If I would have expressed that opinion I would have just been passing on what I thought was good advice you could have taken it or dismissed very simple, but more important you would have had it to help you with your decision. It has nothing to do with hating or loving something ¦ ¦ ¦.it is simply information to help you make our own decision.
If I would have expressed that opinion I would have just been passing on what I thought was good advice you could have taken it or dismissed very simple, but more important you would have had it to help you with your decision. It has nothing to do with hating or loving something ¦ ¦ ¦.it is simply information to help you make our own decision.
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hairhair98
Valued member
topccat29 wrote:
Classic topcat.
I dont take anything you say personal. My goal was to inform people of your disingenuous methods, and your inability to respond to anything i said is confirmation enough that that goal was achieved. Anyone reading this knows the score.
You want to do some good? Delete this thread and start over, without the wild speculation and one-sided bias of only researching bad smp results. As it stands, the first thirty posts of this thread (which was bizarrely nearly all you) are highly inaccurate.
Now please ignore all that, and tell us more about fitness and nutrition.
You're quite the character. From the very beginning of this discussion you labelled us as thugs and charlatans preying on vulnerable people... and specifically told me that what i was doing was abnormal and for financial gain... yet now you seem puzzled as to why anyone would take that personal.
Classic topcat.
I dont take anything you say personal. My goal was to inform people of your disingenuous methods, and your inability to respond to anything i said is confirmation enough that that goal was achieved. Anyone reading this knows the score.
You want to do some good? Delete this thread and start over, without the wild speculation and one-sided bias of only researching bad smp results. As it stands, the first thirty posts of this thread (which was bizarrely nearly all you) are highly inaccurate.
Now please ignore all that, and tell us more about fitness and nutrition.
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Coopman
Valued member
Hairhair
Thank you for the compliment. However as i stated i still think SMP is ridixulous but that is y my opinion.
SMP is here to stay. Negative concerns are genuine, Cancer risks with black ink are well documented. The risk may be very low. But if you have a family history of cancer its best to know in advance.
SMP ink is different to tattoo ink. The black ink can be made by mixing primary colours. But for SMP this is different. I would like to know more on this from an unbiased source.
The more existing hair you have. The more an ideal candidate for SMP you are. Its simple there is less chance of getting rumbled. SMP is becoming more popular it will get more media attention. Girls and other guys will become increasingly aware of this treatment. Imagine when the girl you have just started dating says "hey you are not one of those guys with a head tattoo are you". This is very important if you are a guy in your 20s. The only way you can defend yourself is by having some stubble ontop. Hence it is vitally important to maintain your existing hair. The same applies to hair transplants.
Thank you for the compliment. However as i stated i still think SMP is ridixulous but that is y my opinion.
SMP is here to stay. Negative concerns are genuine, Cancer risks with black ink are well documented. The risk may be very low. But if you have a family history of cancer its best to know in advance.
SMP ink is different to tattoo ink. The black ink can be made by mixing primary colours. But for SMP this is different. I would like to know more on this from an unbiased source.
The more existing hair you have. The more an ideal candidate for SMP you are. Its simple there is less chance of getting rumbled. SMP is becoming more popular it will get more media attention. Girls and other guys will become increasingly aware of this treatment. Imagine when the girl you have just started dating says "hey you are not one of those guys with a head tattoo are you". This is very important if you are a guy in your 20s. The only way you can defend yourself is by having some stubble ontop. Hence it is vitally important to maintain your existing hair. The same applies to hair transplants.
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ionvasilache3
Valued member
I agree that Scalp Microppigmentation is a complete crap which took away 8 months from my life-the amount of time since doing it till when i was able to completely erase that shit from my scalp via laser!
Thank god i could find a solution to erase it!
DO NOT DO THAT SHIT.
I was fool enough to go to a "clinic" who made powerful advertising even on TV, and what i got? Those horrendous big bulky dots, which turned BLUE when? Only 10 DAYS after the "procedure"!!!
And guess what, the scumbags who did this to me HAD NO IDEA how the pigment can be taken out, i had to research myself, and then had 3 lasser sessions spaced two months apart...
They didn't even bother to give me the cost of "treatment" back, only their Lawyer contacted me and advised me not to make public on forums, etc my experience, because they would sue me.
Oh, and that "HairKiller" dude is ridiculous and pathetic.
Wtf has hair transplant do to on this topic, dude????
SMP is ridiculouslylooking, and even that "HIS" clinic can have surpises in the long-term, let's see what they will do then!!! In 10-15 years when the scalps of the patients will become horrific. Will they have enough money to pay the eventual lawsuits???
Or if the patients start to develop lymphatic diseases as stated here??
And, omg, 2000 pounds for that shit?? It's extremely overpriced!
Thank god i could find a solution to erase it!
DO NOT DO THAT SHIT.
I was fool enough to go to a "clinic" who made powerful advertising even on TV, and what i got? Those horrendous big bulky dots, which turned BLUE when? Only 10 DAYS after the "procedure"!!!
And guess what, the scumbags who did this to me HAD NO IDEA how the pigment can be taken out, i had to research myself, and then had 3 lasser sessions spaced two months apart...
They didn't even bother to give me the cost of "treatment" back, only their Lawyer contacted me and advised me not to make public on forums, etc my experience, because they would sue me.
Oh, and that "HairKiller" dude is ridiculous and pathetic.
Wtf has hair transplant do to on this topic, dude????
SMP is ridiculouslylooking, and even that "HIS" clinic can have surpises in the long-term, let's see what they will do then!!! In 10-15 years when the scalps of the patients will become horrific. Will they have enough money to pay the eventual lawsuits???
Or if the patients start to develop lymphatic diseases as stated here??
And, omg, 2000 pounds for that shit?? It's extremely overpriced!
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topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Sorry hairhair but I will not ask the for the thread to be deleted that will not happen. Anyone that has a treatment where they are told that having their lymph nodes swell up is normal is not normal to me.
With only one outfit claiming 10,000 clients a conservative estimate of revenue in my opinion would be $30M..............now start multiplying that client base and those that are reading will understand what this is about and why in my opinion some doctors would like a piece.
Real doctors would not give you a cosmetic treatment that caused your lymph nodes to swell up at least not in my opinion. If someone asked me if I would like a piece of this action I would simply laugh and ask if they were joking. There is no way I'm doing that to someone, just not the way I live my life.
Here are only a few comments. This is not normal to me but I also understand many guys are very desperate and to better understand that desperation one should view some of the topical sections of hair loss forums.
Forums rely on postings and views as it attracts more hits which is good. So please keep on posting, the more readers the better. My goal is to just get as much information out there as possible. They can read your point of view and if they like it they can have the procedure, so knock yourself out.
I know that the swelling of lymph nodes is a normal body response but how painful are they supposed to be? I got lumps behind each ear and one on the back of my neck and holy sh@t they hurt. Even after I take Motrin or something to try and ease the pain they still hurt constantly all day. It didn't start until the following morning after treatment. Is it normal for them to constantly ache this bad?
Please shed some light on this for me.
I had the same, it just went away after a few days. Some people say drink a lot and take vitamin C, no idea if this helps or not.
Mine went away after a week or so. I had them behind each ear and they were really swollen and very painful. They should go away. If not, just go see your GP.
I'did not get the lumps that a few people experienced immediately post procedure but now 5 months later I have a small pea sized lump that's a little sensitive to touch just behind the low end of one ear. Has this been anyone else's experience or is this something unrelated? I'm guessing it just goes away on its own.
With only one outfit claiming 10,000 clients a conservative estimate of revenue in my opinion would be $30M..............now start multiplying that client base and those that are reading will understand what this is about and why in my opinion some doctors would like a piece.
Real doctors would not give you a cosmetic treatment that caused your lymph nodes to swell up at least not in my opinion. If someone asked me if I would like a piece of this action I would simply laugh and ask if they were joking. There is no way I'm doing that to someone, just not the way I live my life.
Here are only a few comments. This is not normal to me but I also understand many guys are very desperate and to better understand that desperation one should view some of the topical sections of hair loss forums.
Forums rely on postings and views as it attracts more hits which is good. So please keep on posting, the more readers the better. My goal is to just get as much information out there as possible. They can read your point of view and if they like it they can have the procedure, so knock yourself out.
I know that the swelling of lymph nodes is a normal body response but how painful are they supposed to be? I got lumps behind each ear and one on the back of my neck and holy sh@t they hurt. Even after I take Motrin or something to try and ease the pain they still hurt constantly all day. It didn't start until the following morning after treatment. Is it normal for them to constantly ache this bad?
Please shed some light on this for me.
I had the same, it just went away after a few days. Some people say drink a lot and take vitamin C, no idea if this helps or not.
Mine went away after a week or so. I had them behind each ear and they were really swollen and very painful. They should go away. If not, just go see your GP.
I'did not get the lumps that a few people experienced immediately post procedure but now 5 months later I have a small pea sized lump that's a little sensitive to touch just behind the low end of one ear. Has this been anyone else's experience or is this something unrelated? I'm guessing it just goes away on its own.
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topccat29
29 year HT veteran
This thread represents 1/10 of 1% of the threads on this sub forum so it should not be an issue. Everyone is free to view the other 99.9% of results. I certainly do not go on to each and every thread result and tear it down.
In real life I would walk away from you or I would ask you to walk away from me but I am also motivated by what other people do especially when I think what they are doing is wrong. I will dig deeper now and work harder because that is my philosophy.
If you want to advise young men to tattoo their scalp, SMP, scalp micropigmentation or whatever letters someone wants to string together to give it their only little uniqueness you are free to do so.
ionvasilache3 thank you for posting your experience...........if you could post some pictures that would be great.
The fact is honest clinics should not care what I have to post.
In real life I would walk away from you or I would ask you to walk away from me but I am also motivated by what other people do especially when I think what they are doing is wrong. I will dig deeper now and work harder because that is my philosophy.
If you want to advise young men to tattoo their scalp, SMP, scalp micropigmentation or whatever letters someone wants to string together to give it their only little uniqueness you are free to do so.
ionvasilache3 thank you for posting your experience...........if you could post some pictures that would be great.
The fact is honest clinics should not care what I have to post.
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FIX MA HEED
Valued member
Right ionvasilache3, I know you are dreamer merlin that has come over to the HIS forum bashing HIS SMP and leaving very negative comments every where. Now, I know your unhappy because you went to a pap clinic and had a dodgy treatment (I'm sorry that happened) but there is no need to go about bashing good clinics and treatments. Why don't you do something good and write up your story, post photos and tell people which clinic you had this treatment so that people can avoid it?
Whys hair killer pathetic? He is just passionate about the treatment that changed his life for the better, so am I!
This thread is nice and balanced now with SMP pros and cons, people will do their research properly into SMP, clinics, possible health issues and also HT's so please don't try to stir it up
I also already told you that there are 12 year old treatments walking about and Iv seen them with my own eyes!
I am truly sorry for what happened to you but please try and do something positive and write up a detail story to help people because like i have said before good SMP treatments done by good clinics can save lives!
Whys hair killer pathetic? He is just passionate about the treatment that changed his life for the better, so am I!
This thread is nice and balanced now with SMP pros and cons, people will do their research properly into SMP, clinics, possible health issues and also HT's so please don't try to stir it up
I also already told you that there are 12 year old treatments walking about and Iv seen them with my own eyes!
I am truly sorry for what happened to you but please try and do something positive and write up a detail story to help people because like i have said before good SMP treatments done by good clinics can save lives!
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