Extracts of text from another place.........
And remember that this is back in 2008 so this is no new product just an old rehash for the UK I'm afraid
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04-25-2008, 05:37 AM
Hi Bill.
I just wanted to respond in part to your posting ?? Dr Julia Zigmond will also reply about the lack of awareness in the UK / US and ROW ?? plus a little additional background on the product shortly too.
On your other specific points the ingredients of Satura Rosta are detailed here: algae extract. urtica dioica oil, calendula oil, burdock root extract, chamomile oil, arnica montana oil, fucus, burdock extract, capsicum annuum fruit extract, retinol, tocopherol, beta-carotine, linoleic acid, castor seed oil, oleum jecoris oil, linseed oil, fennel oil.
The product has been tested to UK and EEC drug safety standards and I have attached the only Clinical Trial certification I have available to use at present from tests in 2005 in Israel. Propico are not aware of any other natural hair restoration product that has published any similar study results.
I have also attached the first of some (admittedly poor) before and during/after images of patients treated in the Russian clinic in the recent past.
This image depicts substantial but partial re-growth in a female patient called Irena.
Other case images will be available shortly on the newly established blog on the Propico site (EU domain).
These too are very poor quality (although do depict full un-covered portraits of patients) and are not especially compelling, but Propico are now highly aware that they need to get more recent, and much higher quality images as soon as possible. We will post these as and when they are available and notify your community.
I am working with Propico to establish a presence for atleast two Russian patients and one English female patient willing to contribute to the Propico blog and potentially to this message board community in support of the claims we have made to date.
I hope this helps to answer some of your questions and would be happy to answer any more from you or any of your community as and when required.
I will encourage Dr Julia Zigmond to post her comments forthwith.
Simon
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Simon, you have much to apologize for.
Deceptive photo practice for a start.
As several others have already pointed out on this thread:
"Before" picture is overexposed and hair is splayed out to appear as bald as possible. Head is tilted more downward than after photo making thinning area appear larger relative to the "after" photo.
"After" photo is darker than "before" photo and hair has been combed to cover thinning area. The large gap right in the center of the hairline is still as prominent as it was in the first photo.The head his now tilted more upward making the thinning area look smaller and the photo was taken from a greater distance making the thinning area falsely appear smaller.
And of course no medical information is made available. You probably don't even know the medical background of the subject in your "copywritten" photo yourself. How do we know she didn't have a thyroid condition that was untreated in the before photo?
I do not know this company, nor do I know the people. But the modus operandi will be identical to the laser advocates.
1.Deceptive photos,
2.Supposed "scientific" studies,
3.False and non-sequitar refrences to biochemical science,
4.Government refrences,
5.Media attention,
6.Physician complicity,
7.Tons of unsupported anecdotal testimonies from supposedly satisfied customers. None of them verifiable of course.
8. And plenty of back-pedaling and needing time to get more information and evidence from "other" people.
We've seen it all before.
Of all the oils you mention in the "product" you forgot the most prominent one...snakeoil.
Shame on you Simon, I don't know how you and others like you sleep at night.
Dr. Feller
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Feller Medical, PC
Great Neck, NY
Dr. Alan Feller is a member of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians
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Dear Bill.
Dr Julia Zigmond here from Propico.
I wanted to respond to the key point you raised about the visibility in the World Market for Satura Rosta.
Our products have been around for over 17 years. After more than ten years exhaustive testing and re-formulation we obtained "scientific" proof of the effectiveness of Satura Rosta (which no other natural hair loss remedy to our knowledge has achieved). After this we ran clinical trials in two countries (Israel and Russia) ?? which were successful.
Since this time we have treated many thousands of patients in Russia, Israel, Ukraine, and Eastern Europe via over 40 clinics.
Our products are very well known in the above areas. We have had substantial media coverage complimenting our achievements though television, radio national newspapers and magazines.
Corporate Pharmaceutical, health and beauty companies treat us seriously. We have been regularly approached by them making massive financial offers to "go away". We can only assume that they are worried that we have a product that really does work which makes their products on drug store shelves totally useless. In discussions with them they insist on sight of our scientific research and formulas which if given to them allows them to "steal" our products. However, at the appropriate time, the scientists who carried out the research are willing to discuss their findings.
We have found that Corporates work to prevent small companies like ourselves making full use of the media. Equally they have huge budgets for advertising ?? something we do not have. At present we cannot compete with these companies.
Another aspect to the Satura Rosta treatment is that the unique combination of ingredients and manufacturing technology, along with the products being "hand made" we could not currently cope with the production of industrial volumes of Satura Rosta.
All chemical remedies can be mass produced.
In October 2007 we started to manufacture our products in the UK having obtained all the toxicology approvals. We are also expanding throughout western Europe so we hope that any future demand in new markets can be satisfied readily.
Our products are not a miraculous cure for everything. It requires lengthy treatments for anything between 3 to 6 months depending on the severity of the hair condition.
What we can state is that our product is better than anything else available backed up with the scientific proofs.
We trust this clarifies your points and would welcome your continued discussion.
Yours sincerely,
Dr Julia Zigmond
Propico UK Ltd
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Hello Dr. Zigmond,
Surely, after 17 years you (or anyone else involved) would have TONS of before/during/after pictures to back up this claim. I'm not trying to put you down or anything but you can understand why most people in the hair loss community will be skeptical. Many people spent thousands of dollars to just to try to keep the hair loss at a minimum, let along GROWING new hair. Also, the picture that Simon posted of a female patient....how long has she been using the product?
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Sorry, the hair in the second pic is combed over the bald areas.
Burden of proof is on you, the manufacturer to prove your product works.
I suggest you work with Bill and have him get 10 patients willing to try your product for a year for FREE.
If it works as you say it does, you won't be able to fill all the orders you will get from this site and others.
I, however, expect you to go away unless your willing to prove your statements.
Jason
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I have a feeling they won't be posting back. Run Forest, Run.
