3000 FUE with Hair Dr Arshad and 1056 FUE Top up.

[loui]

Why do he think you are "malicious" for posting truthful photos on the result and how you feel about it? Are you not allowed to post a review of the clinic?

Honestly personally I would expect more for the amount of grafts to say the least.

I think your hairline can be improved quite easily with a low amount of grafts with a great Dr.

 

[Edsarn]

I agree with @5head - it would be good to see you hair fully brushed back or styled, as one body of hair.

I think it is quite unethical/unprofessional for a medical doctor who you have received treatment from to call you malicious (or any name for that matter). You've posted your results honestly throughout this experience.

 

[Luka]

Hi Hemingway,

What does it look like when styled and as one body of hair? I don’t think separating the recipient hair from the existing hair is flattering to any HT if I’m honest. I know a lot of people who have had transplants and you can pick every single one apart if you get forensic about it. I think we’re all guilty of overanalysing things which other people don’t even notice about ourselves. If I were you I’d get a sharp hair cut and style with a matt clay product. I thought my growth was done at 9 months but the maturation of the hairs after that has mad a hell of a difference. I’m sure it will work out fine

The issue with the one body of hair styling is quite interesting. Almost all clinics choose to comb the patient's hair backwards when showing the final result, which is not necessarily showing the actual density in the recipient area (frontal third for ex.) but rather the ideal outcome in terms of styling. Therefore in most cases, even with the best surgeons, we cannot really know what lies below the combed hair and the actual achieved density. Hence the unrealistic expectations. Not to mention all the pictures in low light.

 

[Hemingway]

I don't mind posting the hair pulled back. I am not manipulating my photos to make it look worse, they were all taken in a soft LED light. A lot of clinics do comb throughs to show density, there is not even enough here to comb through.

This image is taken outdoors not in direct sunlight and it's cloudy today.

I typically style my hair in a left to right fringe and it's very clearly see through unless I use my native hair to overlay it. Whichever way I look at it, I can't see how anybody could think this is acceptable after two operations and four thousand grafts. It's not even a mediocre result.

 

[Luka]

I am not sure what to think since I have not seen your initial situation before the first transplant. It looks solid if you don't know that 4000 grafts have been placed (again, I don't know on which exact area, frontal third?). You look good, but I understand you expected more. I agree that the 1000 graft top-up should have produced a better cosmetic result...

 

[Edsarn]

Thanks for posting this new picture @Hemingway. The density is poor and it looks quite pluggy. Although there may be a small improvement, I think this is another poor outcome and I really feel for you.

It would be interesting to know what Dr Arshad thinks about this result.

 

[Luka]

Were you a NW3 or NW4 before your first surgery? Were you warned by the Doctor that you might not get an optimum outcome due to revisiting the same recipient area?

 

[Edsarn]

I am not sure this would matter @Luka or is a risk factor - as long as there is 12 months between each surgery.

I have had 4 HT surgeries and had my front 3rd transplanted in three of the surgeries and the crown transplanted in all 4. All four surgeries were successful, including my fourth surgery with Dr Arshad, in terms of the yield of grafts. It's just that I have extensive hair loss!

 

[hopeful]

Hi @Hemingway
Really sorry to hear that things haven’t worked out for you.
What information were you given at your consultation? What is your maximum donor availability?

 

[Bigmac]

At 9 months there`s still a slim chance you’ll get more growth which is why it’s important to assess at 12 months. If the growth stays as is, then it’s not the yield expected from 4000 grafts. Another HT will be required to get the density blending to your native hair. Hopefully, the clinic will send you your pictures. I don’t see anything malicious in your postings, you’re documenting your progress that’s all.

Your picture with the hair pulled back does show a lack of density. The lighting conditions are similar to what I’d expect to see in person.

 

[Luka]

Can you show us a picture where you are not pulling your hair behind? Just a normal styling that you wear every day.

 

[Templefix33]

One problem is finding out where it went wrong I guess. The post opp pics look pretty nicely packed but hard to tell without proper zoom and hq photo.

Is it genetics that some grafts don't take well or is it that the implants were not store correctly prior to placement. We're the incisions done properly etc

So many variables it's so hard to pin point. I also agree it's not nice that they said you are being malicious. I think you are just being open and honest about the result

 

[AdamHairDr]

After requesting all my photos from the clinic, I've had radio silence until a couple weeks ago with a direct message from Dr Arshad. He accused me of being malicious by posting this thread. He then implied my expectations are impossible to meet. I realize hairline advancement is ambitious as far as hair surgery goes, but I really don't think that this it's unrealistic to expect more than this after 4000 grafts. The message left me with a bad taste in my mouth, as the last thing I expected at this stage was to be bullshitted again. Excuse my tone but I could not find a more appropriate but polite term.

Hi @Hemingway

It is Adam here for the hair dr clinic.

I did bring you online posts to the attention of the doctor and informed him that you had posted 3 comments that are untrue (and therefore I believe are defamatory/malicious). I think for transparency sake it is only fair that the full message that Dr Arshad sent to you is posted here:

Private communication between clinic and patient removed. Moderator.

I note that you have not arranged a follow up at the clinic with me as of yet nor responded. We would be happy to see you back at the clinic to go through this in detail.

Regards
Adam

 

[Hemingway]

Hi @Hemingway

It is Adam here for the hair dr clinic.

I did bring you online posts to the attention of the doctor and informed him that you had posted 3 comments that are untrue (and therefore I believe are defamatory/malicious). I think for transparency sake it is only fair that the full message that Dr Arshad sent to you is posted here:


I note that you have not arranged a follow up at the clinic with me as of yet nor responded. We would be happy to see you back at the clinic to go through this in detail.

Regards
Adam

Hi Adam

Thanks for posting the message.

To clarify, my messages to the clinic were ignored for 3 months; I have been ghosted by the clinic despite requesting something very simple like pre/post op photos.

I have not posted anything defamatory on here. Everything I posted is a true reflection of my own experience or experiences of other legitimate patients that have also received very poor treatment from Dr Arshad. Just like other patients, I have been deceived by the clinic about growth stages and told I was "above average" for having some sparse growth at 6 months. Just like many other patients who have been told this, my result is extremely poor. I am not a "rare" case as Dr Arshad implies; there are dozens of patients on here who have posted their own results on here as bad as mine, and many others who have messaged me to share their concerns. Most of these patients have themselves been told they are a rare case or are "exaggerating" the results to get a free top up, which is clearly untrue.

At this stage I have no interest in having a follow up. I have put a lot of trust in Dr Arshad, even after he badly botched my first procedure and the procedures of many other patients. This was a huge mistake and I do not want to hear from you again.

 

[Edsarn]

Although there is nothing about the patient's medical records in the cited message, I am not sure a private message between a doctor and his/her patient should ever be posted on a public forum such as this. Did @Hemingway consent to this private message being posted on this website and what about the impact of posting this message on the patient's mental health and stress it might cause @AdamHairDr?

As I have said before, the treatment, aftercare, and results I received from Dr Arshad were all first class, but I do find the posting of a private message very distasteful.

 

[AdamHairDr]

Hi Adam

Thanks for posting the message.

To clarify, my messages to the clinic were ignored for 3 months; I have been ghosted by the clinic despite requesting something very simple like pre/post op photos.

I have not posted anything defamatory on here. Everything I posted is a true reflection of my own experience or experiences of other legitimate patients that have also received very poor treatment from Dr Arshad. Just like other patients, I have been deceived by the clinic about growth stages and told I was "above average" for having some sparse growth at 6 months. Just like many other patients who have been told this, my result is extremely poor. I am not a "rare" case as Dr Arshad implies; there are dozens of patients on here who have posted their own results on here as bad as mine, and many others who have messaged me to share their concerns. Most of these patients have themselves been told they are a rare case or are "exaggerating" the results to get a free top up, which is clearly untrue.

At this stage I have no interest in having a follow up. I have put a lot of trust in Dr Arshad, even after he badly botched my first procedure and the procedures of many other patients. This was a huge mistake and I do not want to hear from you again.

Hi @Hemingway

I am really sorry you feel this way. Posting you own feelings or about your experience is absolutely fine and you have the right to do that. However posting things that are categorically untrue and can be proven to be untrue is simply online abuse. Which I feel is unfair on the clinic.

How can the clinic be ignoring you when you have already mentioned that the surgeon has contacted and invited you into the clinic to take before and afters in the same setting/lighting so that you can make a direct comparison and support you. In any case we will respect your wishes of not being contacted by the clinic again, but if you change your mind and we would be happy to see you.

Regards
Adam

 

[AdamHairDr]

Although there is nothing about the patient's medical records in the cited message, I am not sure a private message between a doctor and his/her patient should ever be posted on a public forum such as this. Did @Hemingway consent to this private message being posted on this website and what about the impact of posting this message on the patient's mental health and stress it might cause @AdamHairDr?

As I have said before, the treatment, aftercare, and results I received from Dr Arshad were all first class, but I do find the posting of a private message very distasteful.

Hi @Edsarn

The message I posted was generated by Dr Arshad and he has consented to me posting it on here. There is nothing in the message in relation to the patients private medical records and nor is there any information in that message that is not already public information on this thread.

I received from Dr Arshad were all first class

I am happy to hear you had a first class experience and results with Dr Arshad. Not every patient will have the same outcome from a hair transplant (thats just a fact of surgery) but the clinic does always support patients and tries to get them to a point where their expectations can be met.

Regards
Adam

 

[Edsarn]

Sorry @AdamHairDr, I don't mean Dr Arshad consenting to having the message posted, I mean the patient - @Hemingway! I am a registered with the Health and Care Professions council as a practitioner psychologist, and posting a private message that was sent to a patient on a public forum would be considered a breach of the terms under which I practice, regardless of content.


I still don't think it should have been posted. From the previous posts, it is clear that Hemmingway is struggling with everything and this may make him feel worse. I just wish you'd considered the potential impact before posting the message, after all that is the most important thing in this situation - patient well-being.

 

[Hemingway]

Hi @Hemingway
Really sorry to hear that things haven’t worked out for you.
What information were you given at your consultation? What is your maximum donor availability?

Dr Arshad stated I could "easily" have up to 9000 taken. I'm not sure how reliable that statement is. My hair in general is quite thick. I think there would be donor availability to fix what has happened. Family history is not overly aggressive with hair loss and I am on meds for long term.

At 9 months there`s still a slim chance you’ll get more growth which is why it’s important to assess at 12 months. If the growth stays as is, then it’s not the yield expected from 4000 grafts. Another HT will be required to get the density blending to your native hair. Hopefully, the clinic will send you your pictures. I don’t see anything malicious in your postings, you’re documenting your progress that’s all.

Your picture with the hair pulled back does show a lack of density. The lighting conditions are similar to what id expect to see in person.

Yes, pretty much. There might be an odd hair here and there but it's few and far between.

Sorry @AdamHairDr, I don't mean Dr Arshad consenting to having the message posted, I mean the patient - @Hemingway! I am a registered with the Health and Care Professions council as a practitioner psychologist, and posting a private message that was sent to a patient on a public forum would be considered a breach of the terms under which I practice, regardless of content.


I still don't think it should have been posted. From the previous posts, it is clear that Hemmingway is struggling with everything and this may make him feel worse. I just wish you'd considered the potential impact before posting the message, after all that is the most important thing in this situation - patient well-being.

I'm trying to move on from my bad experience with the Hair Dr while documenting my progress and being accused of lying and having my character insulted is very stressful. I have to look at Dr Arshad's awful work every single day and being hassled like this on top of that is really inappropriate. These messages are a farce; I have said nothing abusive, malicious, defamatory or false. The clinic should take some responsibility for the number of shocking results, mine included, instead of trying to discredit and scapegoat patients. I did not consent to the message being posted and I did not post the screenshot of the original message precisely for privacy reasons.

 

[AdamHairDr]

Sorry @AdamHairDr, I don't mean Dr Arshad consenting to having the message posted, I mean the patient - @Hemingway! I am a registered with the Health and Care Professions council as a practitioner psychologist, and posting a private message that was sent to a patient on a public forum would be considered a breach of the terms under which I practice, regardless of content.


I still don't think it should have been posted. From the previous posts, it is clear that Hemmingway is struggling with everything and this may make him feel worse. I just wish you'd considered the potential impact before posting the message, after all that is the most important thing in this situation - patient well-being.

oh, I see what you are saying now @Edsarn , however I don't see that there is any privacy or consenting issue here. The person writing the message is the only one that needs to consent as the message does not contain any personal information or anything else that is not already posted publicly on this forum. I do appreciate your point about patient well being though and hence why we have reached out to the patient on multiple occasions, but the clinic cannot force patients to come for follow up.

Regards
Adam