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4000 FUE with Dr. Koray Erdogan

Bigmac

Bigmac

Administrator
Staff member
Hi Billy, it all looks as it should for two weeks. Hopefully you respond well to the meds reducing the need for further work. Try not to worry as the work looks good and Dr Erdogan produces nice results.

All the best.

Bm.
 
billy_baldman

billy_baldman

Valued member
Hey everyone

I'm back home now and went back to work today. I think I can safely say I'm in the ugly duckling phase (see attached picture) with what I think looks like far less hair than I had before the operation.

A few people commented on my short 'haircut' and one of my colleagues actually stopped me and asked why my head is so red. I was about to bite the bullet and just tell the truth but before I could he asked if it was from shaving so I just went with that.

Before the operation I thought I'd just be totally honest about it afterwards but it looks so bad at the moment I just can't be bothered to explain that it's supposed to look like this before it gets better.

Anyway, I thought I'd write a little bit more describing the actual operation days as I haven't done so yet.

Wednesday: 2500 grafts in the frontal third
Thursday: 1500 grafts implanted in the crown
Dr. Koray had drawn lines on my shaved head the day before and I was instructed not to rub these off so they were still there the morning of the surgery. I covered this with the distinctive ;) hat that Asmed provided me and went down to breakfast at the hotel I was staying at. The first thing I noticed was two other guys wearing the same hat and I couldn't help but laugh to myself at the whole situation.

I can't remember exactly what time I was told the bus would arrive to pick us up but it arrived perfectly on time and so the other guys in hats and I were taken off to the clinic.

Although I had been excited and looking forward to the operation by the time I was actually sat in the operating room ready for the first anaesthetic jab to the back of the head I was pretty nervous. Even after the anaestheia was complete and the extraction had started the anaesthesiologist (I won't name any of the staff other than Dr. Koray by name just in case they don't want me to) told me I was still showing signs of nerves (blood pressure and heart rate were taken as well as other things) and asked me to take a sedative. I was a bit reluctant at first but once it kicked in it definitely made the operation go much easier.

Another really nice touch was that a masseuse came and massaged my feet whilst the grafts were being extracted which was very pleasant and definitely helped to relax me.

The extraction felt pretty weird... you can still sort of feel it at times but it doesn't hurt. I chose to watch Casino Royale at this point but couldn't really pay attention and found that just talking to the staff was the best way to stay relaxed. As I said before I really liked all the staff at Asmed and I think they all genuinely care about their clients' wellbeing.

After the extraction (I think this took about 4 hours maybe?) I had lunch before going back to the operating room for Dr. Koray to do the incisions. I was pretty tired by this point and I think I actually slept through most of this part. This took maybe 90 minutes.

The implantation took about the same length of time as the extraction. Toward the end I think the anaesthesia started to wear off but rather than say anything I came over all English and just gritted my teeth and let them get on with it. I think I thought it was going to be over sooner than it was but in hindsight I would advise anyone to ask for anaesthesia as soon as they feel pain. The staff recognised I was in discomfort anyway and gave me a bit more anaesthetic after which it felt much better!

Thursday followed a similar schedule but took less time as only 1500 grafts were moved. I know I mentioned it previously but I once again want to say just how kind, friendly and funny the staff were throughout the whole operation on both days. Looking back on the experience my enduring memory is that it was actually quite a fun experience and this is solely down to them. Thank you!

Technical details
Before I returned to England on Friday afternoon I visited the clinic one last time to have my scalp washed and given details on post-operative care etc. I was also given a document that gave a detailed breakdown of my specific operation which included graft counts, graft counts per area, hair caliber and lots of other statistics from the procedure. This is a nice touch and if I get a chance I'll upload some of the pages from it as it contains loads of useful technical details. In summary:

General information:
Total graft: 4005
Total hair: 8110
Average hair per graft: 2.02
Caliber: 50

Hair details:
1 hair: 804
2 hair: 2354
3 hair: 792
4 hair: 53
5 hair: 2
6 hair: 0

Graft distribution by area:
Temporal: 23%
Parietal: 49%
Occipital: 28%

Once again I'd just like to thank everyone at Asmed for making the experience such an enjoyable one! I can't wait for the final outcome!

;)
 
Bigmac

Bigmac

Administrator
Staff member
Sounds like you had a good experience at the clinic, I'm pleased everything went well. Hopefully the redness will subside fairly quickly and no one notices at work etc.
You got a decent amount of grafts that should produce a nice result, I'll look forward to following your progress.
Heal and grow well.
 
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Baldy Bunnet

Valued member
Looks really good in the early pics buddy. I think you'll get an amazing result.

Any chance of a pm to tell me what the clinic costs are? I'm keen on Koray erdogans work and am thinking about saving up for a HT done by him.

Cheers
 
billy_baldman

billy_baldman

Valued member
Here's a picture from 10 days post op. Is it realistic to expect all the grafts that were here then to survive? I still have these stupid worries like 'did I put my hat on too roughly that time?'...

I know it's silly but I genuinely couldn't get to sleep for a while last night because I was so excited to have hair again!

Baldy Bunnet wrote:
Looks really good in the early pics buddy. I think you'll get an amazing result.

Any chance of a pm to tell me what the clinic costs are? I'm keen on Koray erdogans work and am thinking about saving up for a HT done by him.

Cheers
Sure! Check your inbox!
 
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Dazzster26

Valued member
That last picture looks really good nice hairline design , to be honest every time I have had a HT I have always thought the same will they all grow or will I lose some , you can read all kinds of figures getting thrown out some say 10% loss some say 15% loss , just think positive and know that you went to a top class surgeon and your going to get maximum yield
Its going to be great brother just gotta be patient it will be worth it


Dazz
 
SADbutTRUE

SADbutTRUE

Valued member
welcome to the forums and congrats on your recent procedure, heres to great growth, ill be following your progress, with the amount of grafts you got, you will have some solid coverage.
 
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Baldy Bunnet

Valued member
Thanks a lot man. That last pic looks superb.
 
Bigmac

Bigmac

Administrator
Staff member
It does look good with all the grafts implanted showing what you can expect once grown out. Everyone goes through the same worries post op, your grafts will be fine.
 
bullitnut

bullitnut

4 awesome repairs with SMG
This is going to look great IMO when grown out, everybody has fears and doubts dude, it can be one hell of a roller coaster ride. Try to take your mind of your hair for a while( I know it's hard) and before you know it things will start happening. I like the comment about the guy saying your hair was red from shaving....that saves you explaining lol, do you think you will say anything when it starts to grow in?

Welcome to the forum.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
The results coming out of Turkey are simply excellent. It €™s seems to be almost non-stop one right after another. Personally I believe the work ethic of the culture itself has much to do with it.
 
billy_baldman

billy_baldman

Valued member
Hi everyone,

Thank you all for the encouraging posts over the past few weeks. It makes me feel a lot better about going through the ugly duckling stage!

I was caught out today by the surprisingly sunny weather and so jogged back home on my lunch break so as to minimise the time my bald scalp was exposed to the sun! It was only 10 minutes or so so hopefully that won't make any difference!

I flew out to Istanbul 4 weeks ago today so I thought I'd do a quick update even though not much has changed visually since my hairs shed. Taking a look at the pictures, I'm pretty sure I've had quite a lot of shock loss so hopefully it all grows back ok.

Another thing to mention is my experience of finasteride this time around. At about the 2 week mark I started to notice the same side effects and this really worried me as I'm pretty sure taking finasteride will have a significant effect on the final result.

Anyway, it seems the side effects have completely gone away which I'm really pleased about. Previously when I tried taking finasteride I'd stop as soon as I noticed them but this time I carried on through and my body seems to have adjusted. Also, about 2 weeks ago, I started supplementing grape seed extract (4x2000mg per day) as I read a paper that found it to be an aromatase inhibitor. I've also started taking a 15mg zinc tablet. I don't want to say whether these have done anything; I'm just pleased I'm no longer experiencing side effects.

At the moment my recipient area is still noticeably pink and I appear to be significantly more bald than before the operation. On the positive side my donor area looks completely as before and I'd have absolutely no worries about having a haircut with a grade 1 or less on the back and sides in future.

bullitnut wrote:
I like the comment about the guy saying your hair was red from shaving....that saves you explaining lol, do you think you will say anything when it starts to grow in?
If people ask I will say so, yes. I think lying about having it done is far more embarrassing than the truth!

That said, I doubt anyone will really ask as it's such a gradual thing. I guess people know me as a bald/balding guy (particularly given how it currently looks!) so if it suddenly twigs in a few months that I now have thick hair (fingers crossed!) maybe they'll say something? I went back to my family this weekend and no one could tell any difference until I told them so tbh I don't think people really notice/care that much!
 
billy_baldman

billy_baldman

Valued member
2 Month update:

Hi everyone

Comparing these new pictures with last month's I'm quite pleased with the improvement although it could just be that my hair is longer.

The other day though when I got out the shower I did a double take because for whatever reason the light/shadow really made my hairline look strong and I haven't seen myself look like that in a few years. At other times though I think it still looks worse than before (e.g. bottom-right picture). My scalp is still pretty red but it's not as noticeable now my hair is a bit longer.

Anyway I know it's early days but it has definitely changed so I thought I'd share.


 
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Jimmy c

Valued member
Hi Billy, thanks a lot for posting your story. Your feedback has helped me decide to go with Dr Erdogan, your hair loss seems really similar to mine so I really hope you keep posting updates.
I tried to send you a PM but I'm new to this forum, for some reason my private messenger is disabled. I have a few questions and would really appreciate your feedback.
Regarding your consultation was it online, as I was wondering how it was decided that you would need 4000 graphs, did the dr only decide that amount once he meet you in person. Sorry to go on but I'm worried that if I send photos and the Dr says I need 4000 graph's but then once I go to Turkey the Dr might think differently and decide I need for example 4500 graphs......I'm just worried regarding budget.......ThX again JIMMY C.........
 
Bigmac

Bigmac

Administrator
Staff member
Two months is still very early although you could be getting some early growers mixed with native hairs showing you your hairline pattern emerging.

Thanks for the update.
 
bullitnut

bullitnut

4 awesome repairs with SMG
Still early dude, most people start to see growth at around 3 months plus.

However its possible you may be experiencing a little early growth as BM suggests.

I love it when posters post the entire journey, even when theres little change it still helps get an insight into the entire process.

thanks so much for posting BN
 
billy_baldman

billy_baldman

Valued member
Hi all,

Sorry for the late update.

The attached pictures were taken on June 7th (So about 12 weeks after the procedure)

I am now at the 3.5 month mark and am starting to see good growth. However, I did cut my hair recently as it still looks wispy when it grows too long.

I'll post the 4 month update in a couple of weeks. Hopefully a lot more growth to come!

Thanks!
 
billy_baldman

billy_baldman

Valued member
Jimmy c wrote:
Hi Billy, thanks a lot for posting your story. Your feedback has helped me decide to go with Dr Erdogan, your hair loss seems really similar to mine so I really hope you keep posting updates.
I tried to send you a PM but I'm new to this forum, for some reason my private messenger is disabled. I have a few questions and would really appreciate your feedback.
Regarding your consultation was it online, as I was wondering how it was decided that you would need 4000 graphs, did the dr only decide that amount once he meet you in person. Sorry to go on but I'm worried that if I send photos and the Dr says I need 4000 graph's but then once I go to Turkey the Dr might think differently and decide I need for example 4500 graphs......I'm just worried regarding budget.......ThX again JIMMY C.........
Yes, my consultation was online.

I can't say for certain but I don't think you'll find yourself in a position where you'll need a lot more grafts than estimated as I imagine the amount of grafts needed for each patient is not a number that's set in stone. You can cover the same area with different numbers of grafts but more grafts = more density = better result.

I don't think Dr. Erdogan would estimate, say, 2000 grafts and on the day tell you you need 5000 though.

The best thing you can do is take lots of good quality pictures so Dr. Erdogan can make an accurate assessment and, if you don't quite have enough money yet, keep saving and wait a few months.

Good luck though if you do decide to get a HT. I really recommend Dr. Erdogan based on my experience so far.



 
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Dazzster26

Valued member
Hey Friend

WoW your progress looks fantastic at this stage of your journey thanks for the update cant wait to see your next updates all the best

Have agreat night


Dazz
 
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