Do Not Tattoo Your Head

[topccat29]

Thanks Damien...............what scares me about the digital age is the information can easily be controlled so book burning is no longer an issue................also makes me realize that those in the past that appeared crazy and wrote long manifestos like the unabomber actually were speaking some words of warning and wisdom and he is not alone. Those that goes against the grain are often labeled as a way to diminish their voice.

But also what is great about the digital age is anyone can publish a book in less then 24 hours and that part for now I really like.

 

[HairKiller]

It is funny because you Topccat sounds like an educated guy, you are even writing a book... but why don't you visit an SMP clinic -one of the top 5, Vinci, HISHair...- and watch a good treatment by yourself?

For me this discussion ends here but I would recommend you to see a good treatment in person. The first time I listened about SMP I thought who is the idiot that's going to tattoo his head? After seeing it in person realised the idiot was me.

 

[topccat29]

You have a patient on your own forum with a blue head. I didn't go actively look for it the link was posted to this thread.

If you are happy with your tattoo work hairkiller...............good for you...............

 

[hairhair98]

topccat, first of all he doesn't have a blue head. When treatments are first applied, there can be bruising/settling issues that may give it a blue tint... but they go away after a few weeks. I've read hundreds of diary threads on that forum, i've checked it everyday for over 2.5 years, and I have NEVER seen a complaint of the treatment remaining blue. Occasionally we will see threads like his where the patient panics because of the issues i referenced earlier, but they always go away after the ink settles.


topccat29 wrote:

I €™m not looking for comments or debate just want to post my thoughts and bring some balance.

This isn't "balance", this is your heavily biased and incorrect opinions about the treatment, that are being presented as fact.

This isn't 1995 anymore where the only thing you have to go on is sponsored commercials and cherry picked clients... the internet gives us real feedback from real people. I have no idea why you think feedback on SMP forums isn't legitimate, because it certainly is. If you spend any time at any reputable SMP clinic's forum you will quickly find all of your fear mongering debunked. All of these fears you speak of are essentially non-existent when reading the feedback of hundreds and hundreds of clients in all age ranges. I'm not familiar with this forum, but i imagine it's the same thing here. You wondered earlier why your thread has low stars and the tattoo threads have many... well maybe it's because you are wrong.

You speak as if you are some rogue soothsayer that knows the real truth, who is being held back by the forces that be... but that simply doesn't add up with the overwhelming amount of feedback that directly contradicts your opinions. What is your answer to this? That it is a cons piracy and all of these guys are shills? Preposterous.

Even in this thread, the only person that agreed with you (cooper) said that the treatment looked good when done by a capable technician.

If you want to debate the issue of whether or not tattoos cause cancer, then fine... that's a subject that probably could be debated. Everything else you said about SMP should be deleted, because it is simply wrong.

This is the first thing that has come along in a long time that provides a viable cure for the baldness problem. It isn't perfect and has some drawbacks, but it is reversible... unlike surgery. I've read hundreds of testimonials of people in all age ranges saying that this changed their life for the better... by making this thread you are potentially turning people off to something that could help them, based on your speculative fears that are proven incorrect by the feedback.

I dont know you, but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't intentionally trying to sabotage SMP for the benefit of other methods. I will assume that you just haven't done serious research into the subject. I would encourage you to do so.

Your message should be for people to do their research, always go with reputable clinics, and be aware of the legitimate drawbacks... not to avoid it based on the false reasons you have given (e.g. young women cant deal with it).

 

[topccat29]

It €™s like you guys are in some type of hair tattoo gang or something €¦ €¦ €¦..lol €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.. €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.you have all these happy people out there yet you are concerned about one lone voice €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..does not make any sense €¦.............don €™t know quite how to explain it €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦do you think if I stated the Iphone was complete crap it would matter what I said €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦no €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.and Apple would not even care to comment on my opinion as it would not matter €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..why does what I say matter to you so much?

And I guess the cancer issue is no big deal €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦I believe the tattoo guys will make their money many will be harmed and that €™s just the way it goes. You worry about me too much €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.it €™s not necessary €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦why even bother.

 

[damien]

I dont get it.... you make a point that for all intents and purposes you believe is valid, then you say that your comments shouldnt matter??

If thats your opinion, your comments do matter. This isnt a case of HIS clients versus you, its simply about balanced discussion. We do have a lot of fans, fans that we greatly value and appreciate, but informed choices are made by weighing up the pros and cons, not through cheerleading. No-one ever claimed SMP is perfect, but there are a number of preconceptions that are factually incorrect. This is not a criticism, I'm just highlighting the need for the debate to be factually correct and balanced.

SMP is the ideal solution for SOME people, not for everyone. For years the hair transplant industry has hammered home the message that hair loss can be cured with FUT or FUE, a message that we now know is incorrect and inappropriate for a large proportion of people. This doesnt mean a hair transplant is a bad idea, only that the pros and cons need to be weighed up objectively. SMP is no different, its just an alternative option to solve the same basic problem.

 

[hairhair98]

Think about what you are saying.

You started this thread to warn people about the dangers of being misled by a manipulative/malicious SMP industry, citing numerous reasons why you believe it is bad.

When informed that their is an enormous amount of evidence (feedback from real people) that contradict all your reasons, you accuse of us being some 'gang' worried about one person.

Why would you expect us to be quiet when you are spewing all this misinformation about the procedure? Why is it ok for you to crusade against misinformation, but not us?

Aren't you behaving like the type of people you are criticizing?

Why does it matter what you say? Because this is an issue that cripples people emotionally, and you are spreading misinformation in a forum where they are trying to find help in.

Again, the cancer issue is debatable and involves not just SMP but any tattoo. You want to have that discussion? Fine, i have no problem with that.

The problem is that the rest of your speculation about SMP is not consistent with the results that have been accumulating on the internet... and therefore are detrimental to the often serious psychological issue of a person dealing with baldness.

 

[IanD]

Topccat -
You cant compare buying a product from Apple to having a life changing procedure. We are here because, I believe, we feel we owe HIS and the procedure something. Yes, we paid for it, but having scalp pigmentation done has given a hell of alot of people, including myself - something back worth more than money.

So we are here defending them. Doesn't that tell you all you need to know about the treatment?
We are actually very similat Topccat, just chose a different route. I'm sure you feel the same gratitude to the people that did your hair transplant as we do towards the people that did our treatment.

 

[topccat29]

I don €™t know what you guys are hoping to achieve. I simply cannot agree with something that I think will cause others harm especially in the long run. Many will compromise themselves to make a buck I simply will not do that €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.just not in me. Watching the hair transplant industry I have even seen repair patients compromise themselves for the money €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.to do what was done to them to another or let it happen for money.

I feel that I am extremely knowledgeable in the area nutrition/fitness/weight loss and could have easily made loads of money selling some crap over the years. But I am stubborn it has to be something that actually works and actually helps people which is harder and takes longer to accomplish. I designed a device that strengthens the core about 7 years ago and eventually I will bring it to market. I think it is the best training device in the world and can show that with results I certainly do not need to get on a message forum and try to convert others into believers as the product will sell itself. If your product is that great it will sell it self is the point I €™m trying to make and what some guy on a forum has to say certainly will not matter to you.

Often times in the world of hair transplant forums others will hop on to a thread in the hopes that the thread can either be locked or archived so the information is lost. Hopefully that does not happen here. I do think that the way you are trying to hammer me here is the same thing you might do to your own customers if they were to complain and I find that to be very disturbing. But I am use to this kind of treatment doesn't bother me.

 

[hairhair98]

You aren't responding with anything substantive... you keep repeating yourself, bringing up irrelevant information, and playing up the martyr card.


topccat29 wrote:

I simply cannot agree with something that I think will cause others harm especially in the long run.

What are you referring to as 'harm'? The cancer risk? I already established that that was valid for debate. I dont think anyone here is really against you discussing that issue.

You seem to be ignoring what everyone actually has an issue with... which is all of your unsubstantiated claims about why SMP shouldnt be performed. I can understand the concerns you raised, but the evidence overwhelmingly shows the opposite of what you think will happen.

Now, will you respond to the actual issue, or will you tell us more about your miracle workout machine?

If your product is that great it will sell it self is the point I €™m trying to make and what some guy on a forum has to say certainly will not matter to you.

No one is trying to generate sales here. What we are doing is trying to make sure that someone in a bad emotional state isn't swayed by false/misleading/disingenuous information.

Stop acting like we are all shills trying to make a sale. Go read my diary, and the diaries of the other people who have responded here. You will find that we are just as qualified/empathetic as you in regards to the hair restoration industry.

I do think that the way you are trying to hammer me here is the same thing you might do to your own customers if they were to complain and I find that to be very disturbing.

You don't have to be disturbed, because your speculation is (again) incorrect.

 

[topccat29]

Okay sure I will stay on topic just trying to give examples and explain my thinking.

Harm in the way that I think tattooing one's head looks like complete shit and makes the person look like a clown. Now you have taken a bald headed guy and in fact made he look worse of then when he started. But I also understand that you do not share this opinion. I get it you do not agree with my assessment of your procedure.

Maybe you have guys that like that look and I say good for you.

I look at some of the results and it appears to me that these guys want to be gangsters.................my suggestion would be just go join a martial arts/boxing gym and become a tough guy the hard way...................the hair dot thing is not fooling anyone.

LOL................I mean really you're not going to change my mind...............it's shit in my opinion. What do you want from me..................please explain this part...............I just don't understand what it is you that you want?

It's not like I'm angry............in fact the whole thing is really making me laugh..............

 

[topccat29]

This is a current repair patient from another forum. The guys with the blue heads are just starting to surface. I think this guy should have lasered that shit off first but I guess it €™s painful I would have done it right regardless of the time and pain.

The cheerleaders should pitch in and compensate this guy. They come on here and act stupid asking questions like they don €™t know what is up. It €™s like egging the man on the ledge to jump €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦it €™s pathetic, you disgust me.

Sometimes only I understand what I write and that is the way it €™s meant to be as sometimes it €™s for me and not you the reader.

 

[topccat29]

The cause of lymph cancer has not yet been identified though doctors have learned that there are certain risk factors that may lead to the development of lymphoma. Though lymphoma attacks people of every age, most cases of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma occur in people over 60. Hodgkin's lymphoma is most frequently found in people under 35 or over 55. Infections such as HIV, hepatitis and Epstein-Barr virus are believed to increase risk, as well as auto-immune system diseases. Finally, exposure to toxins found in pesticides, solvents and even black hair dye are associated with the development of lymphoma.

 

[topccat29]

I have been to this show as it originates from Chicago and it €™s about 15 minutes from where I live. It was interesting and funny but not in the way a women would find another man interesting and funny €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦

 

[topccat29]

Small particle size does not equal good.


Nanoparticles in Tattoo Ink May Be Carcinogenic

Nanoparticles are ultramicroscopic in size, making them able to readily penetrate your skin and travel to underlying blood vessels and your bloodstream. Evidence suggests that some nanoparticles may induce toxic effects in your brain and cause nerve damage, and some may also be carcinogenic.
In 2011, a study in The British Journal of Dermatology revealed that nanoparticles are indeed found in tattoo inks,3 with black pigments containing the smallest particles (white pigments had the largest particles and colored pigments were in between).
With the exception of the white pigments, the researchers noted that "the vast majority of the tested tattoo inks contained significant amounts" of nanoparticles. "The black pigments were almost pure NPs [nanoparticles], i.e. particles with at least one dimension <100 nm," they said.
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While so far incidences of skin cancer appearing on tattooed skin has been deemed coincidental,7 it is largely unknown whether the inks may be contributing to cancers, or other health problems, elsewhere in the body. It's known, for instance, that some tattoo pigment may migrate from your skin into your body's lymph nodes.8 According to Dr. Samuel Epstein, a well-respected professional in cancer prevention:

" €¦ the evidence which we've accumulated so far, is largely restricted to the fact that they [nanoparticles] get into your bloodstream and reach organs throughout your body. And as far as the brain is concerned, we have actual evidence of entry into the brain and producing toxic effects -- lesions, small lesions, toxic effects in the brain."
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[topccat29]

This is a common term in the English language.

screwed, blued, and tattooed

1. Sl. taken advantage of I got a bad deal. I got screwed, blued, and tattooed. When John bought his wreck of a car, he got screwed, blued, and tattooed.

 

[topccat29]

That person on your own forum with the blue head thread. You can dismiss it all you want and try to console him but he knows what he sees in the mirror. He is just a kid..............so why would you do that to someone that young. I don't worry about myself that much.........my life is fine and I get along fine. But if you did that to my kid you would have a very big problem that would not go away...............you should start thinking about that because some father out there might not react so well.

 

[topccat29]

The point I was trying to make earlier is that when you have a shit product you have to work very hard at trying to sell it..........to convince others. You guys are like a small army and you are working very hard and that is a giant red flag.

The casualties are just starting to surface..................give it some time and just watch.

Posting from 7/23/2014 different forum

I myself had such a terrible BLUE SMP in the crown of my head, and i succesfully got rid of the pigments with laser. Well, it needed 3 sessions thorugh 6 months, but now the pigments are erased completely, and my existing hair didn't suffer at all, in fact it grew back a little thicker.(maybe laser stimulated it in some way). My gosh, it looked exactly like this:big dots and that awful color.
But, yes, i was on my own to seatrcj for solutions, many dermatologists refused to do laser sessions, almost all said "don't do it, it will kill all your hair there and let you slick bald". Not at all, this didn't hapen. But i had my worries, i was some kind of guinea pig for "SMP removal with laser", i think nobody did that before in my country, ha....

Posting 7/16/2014
- They offered to do a touch up, but I had 2 problems with their offer. First, I don't like to fly and they knew that with me driving all the way from California to get the procedure done. Second, how do you touch up something where the problem is that there is too much of it? As in, how do you reverse the size of the dot tattooed? So for those reasons I did not and could not take their offer for a touch up. I planned on asking for a portion of my money back which I believe I did, but you can guess how that ended - no money back.

- Yes, the dots turn blue and spread over time - there's no way around that. I don't know if there are any "new" inks they use, but when I brought up this concern then - I was met with the same "we have a new formula now" routine. Take that for what it's worth.

I'm not on here much but if you have any questions of if I left anything out - feel free to reply here or PM me. I will always be upfront and honest. I wish I better things to say, but unfortunately I don't.

I'm sure there are some people out there satisfied with their results, but I coming from a perspective that is around 3 years post op.

Hope this helped

now excuse me while I go check this off my to do list.

 

[hairhair98]

topccat29 wrote:

Harm in the way that I think tattooing one's head looks like complete shit and makes the person look like a clown.

Let me ask you... have you ever seen this in person? Similarly, have you spent any meaningful time at a reputable SMP clinic's forum? Or are you only basing all of this on the results you get when you google 'bad smp results'?

If you haven't done either of the above, you really shouldn't be doling out advice about it.

I had a bad hair transplant many years ago, and am bitter about the surgical side of the industry. Do you know why i dont make threads like this one about surgical options? Because i have'nt spent time researching that side of the industry, and i am in no position to tell people what to do. I understand that i am not an expert on the issue, and i leave it up to the people that are.

As someone who is fairly experienced about SMP, you sound like you dont know what you are talking about. Nearly everything you say is contradicted by the feedback seen on the internet.

Maybe you have guys that like that look and I say good for you.

the hair dot thing is not fooling anyone.

Feedback on SMP forums indicates that nearly all people say it looks good, and better than what the person previously was doing.

It also indicates that nearly everyone finds that it goes undetected, and that even when told about it some people still express disbelief that it is a tattoo.

You know... 'real' feedback from the 'real' world.

LOL................I mean really you're not going to change my mind...............it's shit in my opinion.

Yes, it's obvious that you are only interested in discussing bad SMP treatments from sub-par clinics.

You seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that good SMP treatments/clinics exist, even though there is a mountain of evidence out there that they do. You know... like when the only person in this forum that agreed with what you were saying stated that SMP looks good when done the right way.

Pull your head outta the dirt. Are you interested in helping people, or are you interested in always being right by way of only discussing bad SMP clinics/results? It seems the latter.

The cheerleaders should pitch in and compensate this guy. They come on here and act stupid asking questions like they don €™t know what is up.

Oh we know what's up. What's up is that there are bad SMP clinics just like there are bad surgeons. Isn't that common sense? Why are you implying that anyone here is sticking up for a company that performs work that turns blue, or is in some other way terrible quality? That clearly isn't happening.

This is why in one of my earlier replies i said that if you really want to help people, you should caution them to only get SMP from a reputable clinic.

I could provide you links to disaster stories where people tried to save some money against our advice and it came back to bite them... but i really dont think you care. It seems you are having a better time with your fantasy that myself, and people like me, are evil geniuses somehow profiting from a life-destroying cosmetic procedure... even though we have had the treatment done to ourselves.

That person on your own forum with the blue head thread.

I could re-explain what is going on there, or how black pigments cant turn blue, but i assume you would re-ignore it.

How about this instead... why dont you go back through the archives of the HIS forum and show me threads where the treatment permanently turned blue and had to be removed. If it's as common as you think it is, you should be able to find dozens in no time.

I'll wait.

The point I was trying to make earlier is that when you have a shit product you have to work very hard at trying to sell it..........to convince others.

Yeah. That's why HIS has expanded all over the US in the past couple of years with hardly any advertising besides whats on YouTube. Because it's terrible and no one likes it. Right.

Why is it that most people on the forum (including me) make an effort to see it in person before making the decision, and nearly everyone (including me) state that it looks great in person, and is something they want to do? Nearly everyone that has it done sees it in person first, but you claim that 'it's not fooling anyone' and looks terrible. So why do so many people (thousands) still get it done, and then recommend it to others? Is it that so many people are out of touch with what does and doesn't look good?

Or is it perhaps that you might be wrong about how it actually looks, when performed by a reputable clinic?

It's not like I'm angry............in fact the whole thing is really making me laugh..............

Trust me brother, you aren't the only one laughing at this thread.

 

[damien]

So you've managed to produce a photo of a bad result from an unscrupulous clinic.... well done. I could post a hundred. I could also follow these hundred bad photos with 10,000 good ones, but what's the point? You clearly know best of course, despite the fact that you refuse the acknowledge the existence of quality results, even though they quite clearly do exist in massive numbers, and are the norm at reputable clinics.

For someone who isnt on here much, you have a very high post count. Pointless threads like this one also reinforce my belief that you're an attention seeker on some sort of crusade
http://www.hairlossexperiences.com/view_topic.php?id=5286&forum_id=52

I'm sure this crusade is nothing to do with your impending book launch........