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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Here is what I would suggest. Anyone interested in this type of procedure have at least 5 other family members review it in person before deciding to move forward. If possible and in addition poll at least some female friends on what their thoughts are while also meeting customers and seeing work yourself.

It's much safer then just believing those that work in the industry and I'm sure everyone would agree with type of arrangement as it's in the hairloss sufferer's best interest and that is what it should always be about.

Of course include becoming informed on the possible health concerns which really comes down to a personal decision on risk/reward.
 
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hairhair98

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Nothing but deflection, and refusal to really respond to any of the points i raised. You should go into politics.

Hairhair98 you make a good point.

Yes it was, too bad you missed it.

The point was that what you are doing is unethical, and the question concerned whether or not you would intervene if you observed something unethical in regards to a subject you cared about.

Your answer was that no, you wouldn't care. Oh but wait... for the past 5 pages you have been talking about how you have this angelic moral obligation to speak out against deceptive or misleading information. I'm confused. Oh wait i get it, you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth so that you never have to admit you're wrong.

My opinion is it €™s shit €¦ €¦

your work looks really good in all honesty

Whoops there you go dribbling out of both sides of your mouth again. Grow a spine and pick a side, pal.

but the fact is he did not need it as he has a similar look to someone like Jason Straham he should have just shaved his head and gone with that.....sometimes all we need are those words.
Welp, i guess we can all pack it up and go home... this guy just solved the issue of hairloss. Whenever someone is seriously depressed about it, just tell them to stop being a sissy and deal with it. I dont see any reason why that wouldnt work. All you psychiatrists and hair surgeons can move on to more important issues now.

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Hey but i get what you are doing now... you were tough as nails and serious as a heart attack when you spammed all those posts at the beginning of this thread, but after people called you out on it, suddenly it became all jokes and games and 'ayyyy y u gettin so serious bro?'.

Well, it's because this is a very serious issue, often involving people mired in a crippling depression, and bad information can be extremely detrimental to their situation.

I worry that guys looking for relief will pass up on a viable solution because of all the garbage you spewed at the beginning of this thread... and it WILL happen.

However, i am confident that if they wade through the muck long enough to see how you react when questioned about all of your 'opinions', they will see that virtually nothing you said was based on fact and that your advice/speculation is almost entirely meaningless.

Of course, anytime you want to put on your big girl panties and talk about the specific questions/points i have raised, go right ahead.

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Interesting. I just read your last reply, and it seems that after 6 pages you have finally started to show a little sense. Good job bucko, i knew you had it in you.

I would suggest that you echo that sentiment at the beginning of this thread, where it might do some good. You know... before the reader gets slammed with 20 consecutive posts of your review about bad smp treatments.

Here's the thing... if your opinion is that bad smp treatments look bad, join the crowd. If your opinion is that even 'good' smp treatments look bad to you, it's still a valid opinion. What isn't valid is all the other garbage you listed as reasons to not do this (cant go to weddings, young women will reject you, you'll have a blue head, etc.). The reason they aren't valid is because the evidence shows that that stuff doesn't happen when treated by a competent clinic.

SMP isn't for everyone, but you really should consider that it can be a viable solution for some. If you want to help people considering SMP, you should caution them about the 'real' drawbacks to SMP, and most importantly stress that they only deal with reputable SMP clinics that are open with their results. That is how you can actually do some good.


 
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Coopman

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Hairhair

Yes. Wearing Concealor is ridiculous and thats because its not real. It makes my hair look better, as does smp on certain individuals. But its a disguise to cover up whats not really there.

We all want to hide our baldness but getting busted is our biggest fear. The less real hair you have with concealor and the more tattoo dots you have on your head the more likely that you are going to get found out.

SMP is just like HTs. Research is key. What seemed like a good idea 3months ago may not seem like a good idea now. HT clinics rarely operate on people under 25 reputable Clinics.
They will simply advise to use meds and see where u r at in 2yrs. In those 2yrs that young man may have changed his mind and decided a HT was not for him.

There was a guy on your forum who said he only had a 15 min consultation with you. Its that enough time to discuss everything. Maybe he was quite shy and a bit scared to ask questions.

Do you explain in that time how their hairloss is going to increase and that they will need further treatments down the line. Do you knoaw whether or not they can afford further treatments.

Edit: the poster on your forum may have been exagerating the 15mins.
SMP should not be a knee jerk decision. Research is key. Tell 10 female friends about SMP get their views. Some guys with good head shape rock the bald look others dont.

To conclude hairhair. Me and TC have made valid points. We cant all agree on everything. We do not have the knowledge of SMP that you have. But our views will be echoed by many out there in the general public. And whats wrong with a few forum readers reading our comments in respect of the pitfalls of SMP? You may lose a couple of clients. Would u really want to do SMP on people who were having 2nd thoughts.
But on the other hand they may decide to avoid a non reputable Clinic because they have done research and learnt to ask the right questions.

TC thanks for your acknowledgement
I would also just like to add that i have seen your results (hishairclinic) they look great and i can see exactly why you have so many happy clients. They look incredibly good.
We know there are Clinics that have done work and the results have been awful. Unless the work is 10/10 it is substandard. If any of this thread steers people away from any substandard Clinic and to a Clinic that produces good work like HIShairclinic then thats good news for that individual.
 
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Coopman

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Not being able to go to weddings.
Young girls may reject you..
You could become a laughing stock amongst friends.
Work colleagues may think you are a freak.
People talking about your head behind your back.
You cant afford to continue treatment when your hairloss progresses.
An ex gf posts all over facebook that u have fake hair.

Some people are not mentally strong enough to get through if any of the above happens to them. Its only fair that any prospective client is aware what could happen.
Thats not to say that any of the above scenarios will happen, its only a possibility.
But information either negative or positive is the key to making a decision thats going to be huge.

This is not misinformation. Its about ensuring the individual makes a well informed decision.
To deny that to an individual is immoral, unethical and shows little regard for an individuals future.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Hairhair98 what you are doing is not normal behavior unless you are selling something and if you were selling something good it would not be normal either and that is what those reading this thread should understand through observation. Why is this person doing what he is doing? I have been through this same scenario countless times on the forums over the last 15-16 years so I understand thoroughly how it all works.

What I do is a little different. I like to point out those that appear to be taking advantage of others usually desperate young men with little knowledge with in my opinion what are inferior procedures that can cause possible long term damage which makes it very risky. What I get out of it is that it forces those that are not honest to become honest or move on. Kind of like........... it might have been done to me but I'm not going to stand around and see it done to someone else. I understand many that make their living taking advantage of others might not like it and ask who I am to question them? My answer to that would be who are you? Tell us who you are?


Explain to me why you are doing what you are doing and tell us about yourself. You see you can learn more about a person through what they do in real life, meeting them, their family, friends, etc. What drives you my friend?


I think many on the forums kind of get an idea of who I am through what I write and that is why I try to write about myself as much as possible, because sometimes it €™s not possible for all of us to meet. My home is always open to anyone that wants to meet me as I have nothing to hide and it gives others the opportunity to see that I am a real person with real experience going on 30 years now. What about you? How old are you and how much experience do you have and what are your experiences?

Many here have acknowledged the cancer risk somewhere down line most especially in my opinion with pigments that are consumed by the lymph system quickly as they are not deep enough to become bound up in the lower dermis. Please write a response letter to what you say to that man now down the line that has cancer and thinks it's from the pigment build up in his lymph nodes. What do you say to him or do you say nothing at all and hope he either just dies or moves on so you don't have to deal with?

Ethical clinics and procedures provide long term answers to hairloss issues.........if it's not viable long term it's not good enough.
 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Sorry.............but a real doctor would not do this............



Nanoparticles in tattoo ink could cause cancer Researchers from the UK €™s University of Bradford have raised concerns about the dangers of some tattoo inks and their potential to cause illnesses, including cancers.
Evidence has been found that nanoparticles from the ink can leave the skin (most likely via its dense network of blood and lymphatic vessels) and be transported to other organs of the body. Professor Tobin, Director of the University €™s Centre for Skin Sciences (CSS) believes that toxins in the dyes may accumulate in the spleen or the kidneys €“ the organs which filter impurities from the blood.
Given the enormous increase in tattooing in the last 10 years, Professor Tobin believes this is a potentially significant public health concern.
Millions of people around the world are tattooed. A 2006 American study found that up to 24% of people aged between 18 and 50 had tattoos. However, still relatively little is known about the potential health consequences. This is despite a 2010 study by German scientists suggesting that millions of people in the Western world may have transient or persisting health problems after tattooing.
To date, much of the debate around nanomaterials in consumer products has focussed on the use of nanomaterials in sunscreen. One of the significant toxicity concerns associated with nanomaterials is their ability to produce free radicals that can damage DNA and proteins. The extent to which nanomaterials in sunscreen can penetrate the skin is still hotly debated. However, unlike sunscreens, tattoos involve the injection of chemicals such as titanium dioxide (anatase and rutile forms), aluminium oxide and carbon black directly into the dermis. This has scientists worried.
A recent study, looking at a range of tattoo inks, found that the vast majority contained significant amounts of nanoparticles. In particular, black pigments €“ those most used by tattooists - are usually made of carbon nanoparticles.
Carbon black is classified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer as possibly carcinogenic to human beings, based partly on inhalation studies on rats. Studies have shown that carbon black nanoparticles can cause inflammation and damage DNA. This damage is believed to be due to free radical production. Furthermore, studies confirm that nanoparticles of titanium dioxide and carbon black are more toxic and generate free radicals to a greater extent than larger particles of the same chemicals.
Scientists are now suggesting that free radical production could be the cause of the high prevalence of symptoms such as swelling and itching reported by individuals with tattoos. In one study €“ eighty-five per cent of complaints were related to black tattoos and fifty-eight per cent of these were induced by exposure to sunlight.
Alarmingly, given their potential toxicity, it appears that tattoo inks are not as stable in the skin as one might think. A German study, which investigated the fate of tattoo ink injected into the skin of mice, found that 32% of the pigment had disappeared 42 days after the injection. Whilst larger particles are caught in the lymph nodes, studies with rats have shown that nanoparticles pass directly into the blood stream and can come to rest anywhere in the body.
A 2009 Chinese study injected either silver nanoparticles or microparticles into the skin of rats. The researchers found that, whilst the microparticles could not reach the bloodstream, the nanoparticles did and then were distributed to the major organs - especially the kidney, liver, spleen, brain and lung. The liver and spleen are believed to be the organs most likely to accumulate nanomaterials.
Nanoparticles are by no means the only potentially dangerous ingredients in tattoo inks. Solid science shows that many of the inks used in tattoos contain carcinogens. This means people are having cancer-producing particles injected directly into their skin. Many tattoo ink pigments also decompose in the presence of sunlight to form toxic chemicals €“ some of which are known or suspected human carcinogens.
Surprisingly (and fortunately for people with tattoos!) a clear link between tattoos and skin cancer has yet to be identified.
Removal might not be the best option Counter-intuitively, if you have a tattoo and are concerned about possible ill effects, attempting to remove it could actually increase any potential risks. Lasers are often used to remove tattoos which shatter the pigments, making the particles unstable and more likely to flow into the body €™s lymph system, and - if they are small enough - into the blood stream. Scientists are concerned that if these settle in an area, the harm could build slowly and only declare itself decades later, perhaps in the form of a cancer.
€œLaser removal of tattoos almost stopped in Germany because of this risk, € says Jørgen Serup, professor of dermatology and chief physician at the Bispebjerg University Hospital in Copenhagen - and an expert in the chemistry of tattoo inks and how the body deals with them.
Serup says surgery is more effective in removing tattoos than lasers, although it too can have side effects.
In Australia, our chemical regulator NICNAS (National Industrial Chemicals Notification and Assessment Scheme) claims it assesses industrial chemicals - including those in tattoo inks - that are new to Australia for their health and environmental effects prior to their use. However this is not the case for nano versions of existing chemicals.
In 2004, the UK Royal Society argued that nanomaterials have completely different properties to bulk forms of the same chemicals and should undergo proper safety assessments before they are allowed in consumer products.
NICNAS introduced regulation of nano forms of new chemicals in 2011, but has yet to introduce regulation for nano forms of existing chemicals such as titanium dioxide, aluminium oxide and carbon black. This means that these chemicals are being injected into peoples €™ bodies without even basic safety testing.
This article first appeared in Australian Policy Online.

 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
You see this is the way it works and that is the value of this thread for others trying to figure out what is really going on here. I say something here because I don €™t like something I see and thus starting the initial thread. That spoils the game of a couple of guys who simply can €™t deal with the honesty. So they decide after some time to enlist some help from some of their friends. The only problem is I €™m not the 20 year old who does not ask questions nor thinks the whole process through or just follows along €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..hmmmm €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦that €™s a problem for the helpers.

Now when valid points are raised it presents a dilemma as some potential customers from the other site start to take a peek. That €™s not good as too much information can be a bad thing depending on where you are sitting and if you do not have complete control over a forum deciding what you like and don €™t like well that €™s not good for business when you are actually also selling the procedure. So maybe it wasn't a good idea.


Understand what you are reading when you read a forum most especially when it is self sponsored meaning I sell the procedure and I control the information. If you are only 20 or so you might not understand this point but you need to learn it. Understand what you need is real information and understand the difference between real information and marketing.............90+ of what you read is marketing and only 10% is information...........you need to spend the time and energy to find that 10%. These guys are smarter then you. They know you are desperate and they do this day in and day out knowing just how to tweak you and get you going. Once you can fully realize that you are on the way to making better decision. Because as you become aware you start actively watching for it.


You do not have to believe anything I have written and I €™m not asking you to but want I am asking you to do it read at least several books in the area of marketing, internet forums, psychology, etc. Just become wiser through real information in books then make your decision €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..that is honest straight advice and these same guys cannot deny it, yes the dishonest ones would like to but then that would expose them which is why they become all flustered.


When anyone encourages you not to listen to someone €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..take my advice regardless of the situation take the time and listen to what that someone has to say €¦ €¦ €¦..it €™s only information. It can either be absorbed or dismissed €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦no harm done.

Here is a starter list for you. I promise you if you read only just these few then go back to your SMP/Tattoo forum you will look at it differently and then maybe the light bulb will go off............give it a try and you will start to make better decisions.


Influence The Psychology of Persuasion (Cialdini)
The Adonis Complex (Pope, Phillips, Olviardia)
Looking Good (Luciano)
The Sociopath Next Door (Stout)
Online Community Management For Dummies (Ng)

 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Example of a desperate 25 year old and his posting from about 4 years ago. This posting definitely helps sway those that are his age and just as desperate, They tend to follow those that can give them some hope and sound like they know what they are talking about. Now contrast this same post with those that claim they were working for the company and selling the product which is recent and listed below the post of the 25 year old €¦ €¦ €¦..if it €™s true it gives one a completely different picture of what was really going on.


Now maybe when you keep going back to that same SMP/forum over there everyday maybe it's the same way €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..maybe you are in a small little box with a limited amount of information and maybe those guys selling that stuff are actually attempting to keep you in that box. If you are only a member here and have no interest in SMP go over to the HIS/SMP forum and just read the interactions and start to analyze what you are reading €¦ €¦.what €™s going on €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.don €™t fall into the trap of being in the same box. You need outside information and not only what you see posted to an online forum.

Posting of a 25 year old 4 years ago from another forum.
Hahahahahaha. With respect, please take your infamous ego and sour grapes somewhere else, doctor.

Rather than try to help advance the science of using plucked hairs with ACell yourself, you have chosen to sit in the backseat and criticize the driving of others without having taken the wheel yourself. Your 'experience and knowledge' is based on old methods and science that predates the application of ACell to plucked hairs, or combining the ACell with arterial blood.

You say: "With €œautocloning € you are disassembling the follicle such that it not longer has the minimal requirements for growth and praying that Acell will make up the difference. What is left in the donor area is a mere fragment of the original follicle, yet these FUE skeptics feels this tiny residual fragment will routinely regrow hair in the donor area."

First of all, what is left in the donor is the follicle that has simply been plucked. Not a fragment. Unless you know something that the entire hair removal industry has yet to discover, plucked hairs grow back. Ask any woman who has had a brazillian.

Secondly, no need to 'pray' that Acell makes up the difference. It DOES. **** and *****have DONE IT. And they say it works and have proven it works. You have not even tried their methods, and yet you think you are entitled to say they are wrong.

You also suggest that the Acell hairs that grow in the recipient area are thinner than regular hairs.

Some recent postings of those that claim that worked for the company and were selling the product.

Cafepharma

Training? Oh yeah where I was taught how to mix powder into an injectable. Where I was told put this shit on everything. Is that the training your talking about? The one where we learned to sell it to grow cartilage? Or are you talking about bladder matters? You know I could go on and on, so like I said before, get real.

I don't know if the people in charge are really dumb and don't understand indications or just really shady and actually think that they will get away with this $#!+. Either way, it's not a valid excuse. The bad guys will not win this one, so I hope they enjoy the dirty money while it lasts, because another med device company will not touch you.

I totally agree with the last comment. I like the fact that the FDA is on to them. I was lied to again, wow big surprise. First about how much reps were making and now about off label uses. I just never thought a company would be so open about promoting off label use so I thought it had to be OK. My manager still gives me shit about not adding more powder to each case even though it is clearly off label. I am labeled a Goody Two Shoes because I won't knowingly break Federal Law. Can't wait to get out of here.


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There are so many additional books that are available to help you make a better decision and become better at researching. I will add a few more that are on my own shelf.

Telling Lies ( clues to deceit in the marketplace, politics and marriage) Ekman
Without Conscience (Hare)
Shattered Image (Cuban)
 
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beachy

Valued member
I have to say that your assessment of the HIS forum is wildly incorrect. I do not work for HIS nor any other SMP provider - I am simply an SMP patient. What I do do for a living however is work as a digital marketing and business consultant - in my 20 year career I've looked after global communities and advised on digital presence and strategy for many blue chip organisations so I'm pretty well versed on the psychology of selling. Oh and I also hold a PhD in cognitive psychology which is very much centred around digital ecosystems and how humans engage with them. My research background also means I'm pretty diligent when it comes to research (I often define and run complex methodologies for many of my clients).
You might be wondering why I'm writing about my creds so much? It's because I feel qualified enough to say that your assessment of many things, including the HIS forum, is frankly nothing but hot air. Your words and dangerous and destructive, but you're just too wrapped up in your own personal crusade to listen to the very grounded replies that you're evading answering on here.
You should buy a book on narcissistic personality disorder and stick that on your shelf. You might learn something about yourself and why your self appointed omnipotence and righteousness have ruffled so many feathers. Your post count in this thread alone is a very clear signal and anyone reading should take that into account when they read your words.
 
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hairhair98

Valued member
^^ excellent post beachy

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Hairhair98 what you are doing is not normal behavior unless you are selling something

You made 25 separate posts nearly consecutively at the beginning of this thread, all slamming SMP... plus probably 30 more since then. Additionally, you have mentioned that you are writing a book about the subject multiple times.

I made 7 posts to rebut things that were said.

Explain why what you did is ok, but what i did is abnormal and for financial gain. Dont sidestep or ignore this like you do for nearly everything i say... provide an answer.



"What I do is a little different."

Re-read my 'unique flower' reply. The fact that you feel the need to point out your belief that you are unique so often, leads me to believe you have ego issues.

It also reminds me of when you read dating website profiles and everyone says 'i'm different than most people, because i dont like drama'.


What about you? How old are you and how much experience do you have and what are your experiences?

You know this makes several times i have seen you bring up age, in regards to 'experience'. What if i told you that age is mostly irrelevant when it comes to experience with a product or service? You can be 100 years old and still not have the experience of an 18 year old in regards to a specific product.

It's obvious that you have never seen the work of a reputable SMP clinic in person, nor that you have spent any meaningful time on a reputable SMP clinic's forum. All you are doing is googling 'bad smp results' and then applying them to the entire industry, in the guise of an 'expert'.

Which leads me to a(nother) question that you keep avoiding:

Would it be ethical to start a thread for the purpose of steering people away from HT's and ONLY use examples of bad HT's to support that argument? Would you consider that an honest/accurate description of the entire industry as a whole?

Additionally, if that thread caused someone who was suffering from severe depression to avoid getting a HT from a reputable surgeon, which would in turn ease their depression, would you consider that a good thing?

Let's hear some answers.


If you are only a member here and have no interest in SMP go over to the HIS/SMP forum and just read the interactions and start to analyze what you are reading €¦ €¦.what €™s going on €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.don €™t fall into the trap of being in the same box. You need outside information and not only what you see posted to an online forum.
Where in the world are you getting the information to make these implications? You haven't posted a single shred of evidence from a reputable SMP company to uphold any of your claims or speculation. Not one.

Heck, in the SINGLE link you provided as an example of 'an army beating down a victim' it was the complete opposite from what you claimed... I personally agreed with the client and told him that his concern was valid and explained what might be going on (which is what was happening)... along with many others.

If this procedure is a disaster that ruins lives and makes people hide in embarrassment, why are there hundreds of testimonials from real people saying the opposite happens? Answer this.

You keep implying that i (and the others) am some sort of evil manipulator trying to take advantage of people. Prove it. Post something ive said in this thread, or anywhere else, that is inaccurate. Do it.

Hey here's a crazy idea... what if we are just normal guys like you, who in some cases have been burned by the hairloss industry, and we are only trying to help/protect those that are dealing with the issue by ensuring that information surrounding the procedure is accurate?

Nah, that cant be it... it's much more logical to assume that we are promoting a life destroying procedure, that we have had done to ourselves, for financial gain, of which there is none.




 
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topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Those considering this bizarre procedure please read some of those books I mentioned as a starter. I have a tremendous amount of research material I am using in my writing and much of it covers what you are seeing here as responses and these responses are all very valuable to me.

The 2 guys that got this going from this forum were probably a little flustered because maybe people starting to slow down and think. So they needed a gang to help them out. When you need a gang that means you are dishonest. The same happens in the HT industry where a good majority of the posters are not actual prospective patients but actually work in the industry helping to push you in their direction. If you do not know the person is real chances are they work in the industry. Meet people in person and see what they are about these guys count on you being too ashamed.

Many dishonest HT reps have asked others to post for them and either protect them in some way or say something nice.............make it up if you have to and if you speak to enough patients you will eventually found out who they are.............same thing you see here.

As far as the shit that is just now starting to float to the top from those having this procedure most are just too embarrassed. that is the way it works same with HT. They are starting to trickle in and as more come forward others will do the same. Understand that they are ashamed but also understand shit floats to the top just give it enough time. Do not have the procedure now..............maybe wait, and watch..............it's safe and makes sense. Do not let emotions determine you decision it must be logic.


I appreciate this forum and thanks for letting me post an alternative point of view. Always better for the patient to look at both sides of the coin.


Here is an interesting article on how the guy selling Enzyte became so rich €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..most were too embarrassed to say something. Give it some thought before making a decision.



Below is the strategy for the imprisoned marketer of Enzyte who received a very long sentence. But not only that what else he did is something that often happens to the ht patients that disappear which most just don't seem to get. If they ended up with a very bad result the shame was too great to do anything about it so that is in fact why it continues.

Berkeley's approach to marketing its products was perhaps best summed up by a February 2005 email from Warshak that explained the secrets of his advertising success. "GET 3 - 4 BOTTLES OF WINE...THEN SIT AROUND AND MAKE SHIT UP!!" he wrote. "THAT'S WHAT I DO...BUT WRITE IT ALL DOWN OR YOU'LL FORGET IT THE NEXT DAY."

The resistance to refunds reached comic extremes. The dry description of 6th Circuit Appeals Court Judge Danny Boggs illustrated the lengths to which Berkeley would go to avoid returning cash: "At one point, Enzyte customers seeking a refund were told they needed to obtain a notarized document indicating that they had experienced 'no size increase.' The admittedly ingenious idea behind the policy was that nobody 'would actually go and have anything notarized that said that they had a small penis.' In 2002, 'there was really no refund policy. It was: Sorry, you got it, you keep it, and we'll cancel you off of future shipments.' "
 
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hairhair98

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Zero relevant evidence, zero ability to answer relevant questions... kids, this is what happens when you make a flawed argument. Game, set, and match. Anyone who makes it this far will be able to see right through you.

To those wondering about SMP, i encourage you to stop in at the HIS forum. There you will find actual feedback from hundreds of guys from ages 20 to 60. Dont take my word for it, read what they have to say.

p.s. i have an extensive diary there that you can read, if anyone wonders about my motives here.
 
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beachy

Valued member
TC - you make wildly sweeping statements using words like 'majority' and 'most' when talking about problems surfacing. Why not try actually substantiating that? And I don't mean posting pics of guys with blue heads that had SMP done by a shit company or a tattooist with generic ink. Any monkey can Google for that. Show some spine and actually answer some of the very rational responses being put to you. Your narcissistic evasion and 'speaking on behalf of the truth' is showing you as being quite paper thin now.
You really do think that it's a pile on from SMP owners and staff don't you? I have met up with other guys who are thinking about the treatment because I give a shit and because I've been there too. No financial gain and certainly no incentive from any SMP company. Frankly I don't need any kickbacks from anyone as I've been very successful in business. I have to deal with people like you in my industry very frequently - lots of bullshitters telling the world they know best. But they don't last long when it comes to walking the walk, and that is something very much apparent in this thread.
When your (almost definitely self published) book is available, I will take personal delight in buying a copy, just to help you out mind. Oh, and get a good editor because grammar clearly isn't your strong suit.
 
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Coopman

Valued member
Beachy

It would probably be very prudent that you refrain from using words such as bulls*****ters, there is no need for such offensive words.

"grammar clearly isnt your strong point". Dude theres no need for personal insults.

You mention you meet up with prospective patients i assume for HIShairclub. Do you really think you are doing them any favours by using such insulting terms. It does not give a positive vibe. HIShairclub do good SMP work. They dont need people like you using such unnecessary insultive language.

We cant all agree, thats impossible. There is pros and cons for SMP all over this thread. Lets just respect that. Prospective patients need to get clued up. There is incorrect information on SMP everywhere. Both negative and positive. This is the same as HTs. Years of research is key when they have accomplished this they will be experts on SMP and can decide for themselves in a balanced manner.
 
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topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Hey it €™s not like I have time to just sit here and go over each and every word. I €™m writing at a fairly quick pace and I €™m not trying to sell anything €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦so it doesn €™t matter to me. I think faster then I write so this is the result, I €™m sure you can manage and understand the message.


What you are doing is not any different then what ht reps use to do €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..but guess what you don €™t see it anymore because those doing it were dishonest and more and more of the younger guys started figuring it out. You rarely see it on the forums any more. But this doesn't mean other methods are not being used. Your game is new so those young guys you have as customers are not savvy enough to pick up on it. on what you are doing €¦ €¦ €¦..at least not yet.

Anyone that is selling a great product which is a viable solution simply does not promote it in such a way nor are they concerned with those that do not think the product is so great. If what you are saying about this tattoo thing is all true what I or anyone else that does not agree with has to say will not matter................yet it really bothers you.

I can tell you without doubt you would never find a ht patient go over to an SMP forum because he saw a negative thread on hair transplantation and react the way you are here. He simply would not care and this is what makes your behavior here a red flag. You can start a negative ht thread here.............really it would not bother me one bit...............please do. If you have something to say, say it. It could very well be valuable for a prospective patient.........that is a good thing.

I would tell you this €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦if your customers are advised of the cancer risks and they feel it €™s not an issue then have them do just a test area. Maybe a small letter Z on their arm or something. Then monitor it for at least 1-2 years. Gives them the chance to evaluate it for themselves, give them some cool off time, and it shows that you are running a reputable business.


 
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IanD

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I love how the only reply Topcat has are "read these books I've mentioned."

Fuck the books. The books are nothing compared to experience.

You've had 5 people that have had the procedure done come on here and tell you how great scalp pigmentation is. For me, it changed their life. That is worth more than any book that you can ever read.
 
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topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Sorry IanD I do not agree with you. Have your customers read those books and maybe offer them a test session of 50 dots on the arm and let them evaluate it for at least 1 year.

How does that sound? Do you like that idea?
 
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beachy

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No I do feel an apology necessary. Cooperman is right in that I overstepped the mark and for that and the personal insult I'm sorry.
I do stand by the fact that you're being narrow in your replies to fair responses. I also struggle with the fact that you are talking to me like I'm working for one of the companies. I know the power of word of mouth, I am not an advert, I am a customer and rightfully speak out positively exercising my right to word of mouth. If you can't accept that then fine, stick to your one man conspiracy theory.
 
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IanD

Valued member
POEM

Roses are Green,
Violets are Yellow,
Fuck, I'm as mixed up as Topcat.
 
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