Sparky
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Well, obviously do what you want to do. How has the scalp fue healed?
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royroy
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The stuff I have done in the past on old ht scars has ranged from $150 to $300. Those were really pretty small area's. There are 3 types of Fraxel machines. You can google it and check out the technology. It has really helped some people with scars, and acne scars etc,.. I had tremendous results with two different 20 year old ht scars. It didn't just solve the problem it just made it better incrementally. Thats what worries me here, I want to get my face back not just improve it to were it doesnt look "as bad". I dont know I may just have to accept this thing somehow? Anyhow to answer your question to do these large areas on my face is a much bigger then what I have previously done. Then if it takes 3 or 4 sessions it is going to be probably $2,000 or so.
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royroy
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Sorry Sparky you edited your question I was answering about cost. I think the scalp fues have healed right up. Its hard to see in there but everything looks good. It may be that the face just cant handle this. The neck can and the sideburns can. Maybe the face is different. I here others have had these taken right out of their cheek but I still haven't seen one single picture. I have seen some people that maybe have a few up above the mouth but no mas extraction like mine. Maybe you just can't do it, I really don't know it could be just an individual thing were my system couldn't handle it?
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mars
Valued member
how the hell can fue extractiona cause pitting..first time i have ever heard this
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royroy
Valued member
Mars,
Well keep in mind he is just giving his opinion we dont know how things will play out. Basically these holes havent filled in. The hope is that over time they will all fill in. He is just stating his opinion from looking at the state of my skin right now at 7 weeks that he doesn't think they will fill in. Just his opinion, he may be wrong. I dont want to see a lot of peolpe starting to critisize him or saying he must be an idiot, etc,... ( Mars I know you arent saying that) just because he gave me his honest opinion about the situation. Beard FUE's are a highly specialized thing so there are nuances etc,... that a regular HT guy or a dermatologist may not be experienced with. You just have to seek out some opinions and look at them all. Thats all i am doing. I feel very helpless and I need to act, the only way I can act right now is by seeking out opinions of some local professionals.
Well keep in mind he is just giving his opinion we dont know how things will play out. Basically these holes havent filled in. The hope is that over time they will all fill in. He is just stating his opinion from looking at the state of my skin right now at 7 weeks that he doesn't think they will fill in. Just his opinion, he may be wrong. I dont want to see a lot of peolpe starting to critisize him or saying he must be an idiot, etc,... ( Mars I know you arent saying that) just because he gave me his honest opinion about the situation. Beard FUE's are a highly specialized thing so there are nuances etc,... that a regular HT guy or a dermatologist may not be experienced with. You just have to seek out some opinions and look at them all. Thats all i am doing. I feel very helpless and I need to act, the only way I can act right now is by seeking out opinions of some local professionals.
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Sparky
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I only edited it as I looked up the cost online, lots of people say that dermabrasion is better in reviews of it.
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Skywalker
Valued member
I think this case emphasises that everybody heals differently, the shaving may have made a difference but according to the patient the scarring is not just occurring where he shaved. I would wait awhile if you can (grow stubble for a while?) before doing anything else, but unfortunately it has to be said it does seem unlikely that this problem will completely go away all by itself.
It is just my opinion but punching follicular units straight out of the face is not something I would be prepared to risk - but everybody has different priorities and risk tolerances.
It is just my opinion but punching follicular units straight out of the face is not something I would be prepared to risk - but everybody has different priorities and risk tolerances.
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mars
Valued member
Im not an expert on fraxel by any means but i dont see how you will benefit,isnt it used to repair bumps and pits i dont think you have either,i think you have healing issues those extractions are clearly still red i wouldnt make any move until the redness is 100% gone,if you are left with any scarring it would be ever so slight white dotting and at that i guarantee you u wont.
Their is a thread on the patient section here some where,where a patient had pinkness on his scalp up to 6 months post op,and the clinic was a top clinic pro hair or hdc i think,he was a very slow healer.
Relax...use make up or something for the next few months.
Their is a thread on the patient section here some where,where a patient had pinkness on his scalp up to 6 months post op,and the clinic was a top clinic pro hair or hdc i think,he was a very slow healer.
Relax...use make up or something for the next few months.
Sparky
Valued member
My scalp was pink for at least six months post op.
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royroy
Valued member
Mars,
The camera does wierd things in certain light I dont think the vast majority of these holes are red anymore. Most of them are regular skin color and are just sunken in. I dont know a way to articulate it but you can look at most of them and tell they are not going to heal. They just dont look redish or like little wounds that are healing anymore. They just look like little pits that have been there for 20 years. Never change day to day, week to week. Not very scientific I know but that is what it looks like to my unprofessional eye. Then when I get a second opinion from a surgion/dermatologist who is not involved and is just offering free friendly advice he says the same thing, well my heart just sunk when he said it. I'm not commited to doing any Fraxel right now. My Fraxel guys is someone I know well and he will consult with me Friday and give me his best advice. He does V-Beam, Yag and all the other stuff as well and will not try to stear me into anything. I trust these guys an I believe if he feels I should wait he will says so. These guys are all Surgeons/Dermatologist with 20-30 yrs experience.
Fraxel is a very interesting technology, check it out on the internet. I dont claim to be an expert on it but what is cool about it is that it is generally something that can really help. Its generally not something that you need to wait to do or worry about doing to early. There is one prominent beard fue surgeon on the west coast who actuall does Frax on the extraction site the day after surgery, optionally. It is almost a stirring the soup kind of approach. After I talk to my Frax guy I will have the opinion of 2 experts and I will rehash that with Dr. B and see what I should do. if i saw any week to week healing at all I would not even be looking into this.
The camera does wierd things in certain light I dont think the vast majority of these holes are red anymore. Most of them are regular skin color and are just sunken in. I dont know a way to articulate it but you can look at most of them and tell they are not going to heal. They just dont look redish or like little wounds that are healing anymore. They just look like little pits that have been there for 20 years. Never change day to day, week to week. Not very scientific I know but that is what it looks like to my unprofessional eye. Then when I get a second opinion from a surgion/dermatologist who is not involved and is just offering free friendly advice he says the same thing, well my heart just sunk when he said it. I'm not commited to doing any Fraxel right now. My Fraxel guys is someone I know well and he will consult with me Friday and give me his best advice. He does V-Beam, Yag and all the other stuff as well and will not try to stear me into anything. I trust these guys an I believe if he feels I should wait he will says so. These guys are all Surgeons/Dermatologist with 20-30 yrs experience.
Fraxel is a very interesting technology, check it out on the internet. I dont claim to be an expert on it but what is cool about it is that it is generally something that can really help. Its generally not something that you need to wait to do or worry about doing to early. There is one prominent beard fue surgeon on the west coast who actuall does Frax on the extraction site the day after surgery, optionally. It is almost a stirring the soup kind of approach. After I talk to my Frax guy I will have the opinion of 2 experts and I will rehash that with Dr. B and see what I should do. if i saw any week to week healing at all I would not even be looking into this.
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royroy
Valued member
Guys as far as the scalp being pink I believe you. I have no concerns what so ever about coloration. I know eventually all that stuff corrects even if it takes a year. My only concern is having 100s of "unclosed" holes in my face at 7 weeks. Like I said 50% of the reason I started this thread was to find out how wierd that was. Has it ever happened to anyone else. The answer is no. No one can show me this before, that tells me its a huge problem I have. Everyone says wait, wait it will heal, but no one can point to anyone else with beard fues that had all these holes in their face at 7 weeks. Everything doesn't end well, I am surprised everyone is just saying - oh it will heal up when they don't know of any cases like this occuring before. Plus I have never heard of a Dr. taking 100's of fue's right out of the middle of someones face before so this may be unchartered water. One of the goals I have at the end of this is to educate future beard fue patients on how not to have this happen to them. I am going to end up being a little unpopular but I dont care I know what is right.
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Sparky
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I had unclosed holes in the hairline for longer than 7 weeks, these couldn't be seen by general public as I had my hair over them, but they hadn't filled in at 7 weeks, I know it's not a direct comparison as it's my head, but just letting you know that.
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mars
Valued member
I agree with you about the extractions on the face,as far as the pitting goes some patients may have a similiar problem in the donor few months post op but no one knows cos the hair covers it,7 weeks is too soon,its nothing to do with popularity its an interesting thread and a unique issue.
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royroy
Valued member
Well I value the advice you guys are giving. By the time I see my Frax guy on Friday even at the earliest I couldnt do anything until the week after. That forces more time to pass by and I get to the point that I am 2 months out from my procedure. If my condition improves during that time it will affect how I see things. If it looks just like it does now which is just how it looked last week, etc,... well then that tells me something also.
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mars
Valued member
I can only imagine the stress your under theirs no options to hide your face..how thick is your beard now?can you hide it any bit if didnt shave?also any chance of another photo in n normal everyday lighting conditions?
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royroy
Valued member
I have taken everyone on a gloom and doom tour here with my experiences over the last few weeks so its only fair that I report back in now that my fortunes are changing. I have had a fantastic week of healing starting around Sunday/Monday thru today. Noticeable improvement everyday and I am extremely optimistic for the first time since a few days after the procedure.
What's different? Two things, I will start with the nonobvious. I had been on some type of hydocortizone regime from the week 3 period on. I got off of hydro on Sunday just to try neosporin for the day. Then Monday my local dermatologist said he thought I should stay off it and gave me another cream. He felt like hydro was something that really shouldn't be taken for more then a few weeks and it could make things worse (not sure why). My healing started almost exactly when I got off it. I don't know if it was a factor or not only that the timing jibes.
More obvious would be that I have not wet shaved with a razor since 12/28. Stephen from BHR along with most of you that have posted have felt that I was shaving to often. If I look back from week 3 to week 7 shaving may have delayed healing. Maybe every time I shaved I was setting myself back 4 or 5 days. Since I was shaving every 4th day or so maybe I could just never get caught up. That would also jibe with the timing. I last shaved on Tuesday about 5 days later I started to noticably heal. I will stay on this regime of no shaving, no hydro, and the cream I am on and ride this momentum out.
One comment here though. A lot of people will say what a dumbass you could have healed up quite a bit in a week or two like most reported beard fue patients. I shaved very little in the first 3 weeks. In fact the only reason I shaved at day 8 (or whenever it was exactly) is because I could see that I was not healing up like others and I was kind of panicing and I wanted to shave my face so I could really asess the damage and take pics. Same thing around day 14 or so. Not really sure. Most guys don't shave till day 10-14 but its kind of a non issue because they are usually really pretty far along.
Anyhow I am really feeling relieved and happy especially compared to the dispair I had for about 3 weeks, what a roller coaster ride. In addition I am already experiencing substantial growth in the recipient area. I would guess that 30 - 50% of the beard fues never fell out and have been growing for weeks. I have lots of 1/2" beard fues growing in my scar areas and I believe this procedure will ultimately be a huge success in spite of the difficulties I have encountered with my slow facial healing. I would like to share some of my procedure day recipient area pics with you guys next time. As I said at the start of this post I want to help document beard fue facts so people out there have more data to draw on then I did. I have some real detailed pics that are better then anything I have seen on the interenet and i would like to share that with you guys next time I post.
What's different? Two things, I will start with the nonobvious. I had been on some type of hydocortizone regime from the week 3 period on. I got off of hydro on Sunday just to try neosporin for the day. Then Monday my local dermatologist said he thought I should stay off it and gave me another cream. He felt like hydro was something that really shouldn't be taken for more then a few weeks and it could make things worse (not sure why). My healing started almost exactly when I got off it. I don't know if it was a factor or not only that the timing jibes.
More obvious would be that I have not wet shaved with a razor since 12/28. Stephen from BHR along with most of you that have posted have felt that I was shaving to often. If I look back from week 3 to week 7 shaving may have delayed healing. Maybe every time I shaved I was setting myself back 4 or 5 days. Since I was shaving every 4th day or so maybe I could just never get caught up. That would also jibe with the timing. I last shaved on Tuesday about 5 days later I started to noticably heal. I will stay on this regime of no shaving, no hydro, and the cream I am on and ride this momentum out.
One comment here though. A lot of people will say what a dumbass you could have healed up quite a bit in a week or two like most reported beard fue patients. I shaved very little in the first 3 weeks. In fact the only reason I shaved at day 8 (or whenever it was exactly) is because I could see that I was not healing up like others and I was kind of panicing and I wanted to shave my face so I could really asess the damage and take pics. Same thing around day 14 or so. Not really sure. Most guys don't shave till day 10-14 but its kind of a non issue because they are usually really pretty far along.
Anyhow I am really feeling relieved and happy especially compared to the dispair I had for about 3 weeks, what a roller coaster ride. In addition I am already experiencing substantial growth in the recipient area. I would guess that 30 - 50% of the beard fues never fell out and have been growing for weeks. I have lots of 1/2" beard fues growing in my scar areas and I believe this procedure will ultimately be a huge success in spite of the difficulties I have encountered with my slow facial healing. I would like to share some of my procedure day recipient area pics with you guys next time. As I said at the start of this post I want to help document beard fue facts so people out there have more data to draw on then I did. I have some real detailed pics that are better then anything I have seen on the interenet and i would like to share that with you guys next time I post.
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BHR Clinic Patient Advisor
RoyRoy
Many thanks for the update and glad you appear to be on the up and look forward to the pics.
Many thanks for the update and glad you appear to be on the up and look forward to the pics.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
RoyRoy, sometimes its hard to listen to common sense when one is under stress. It good to hear that you have slowed down a little, are experiencing less panic and finding that your healing is coming along.
I am really happy that you waited before going for laser. Its quite possible that it might have complicated things.
I am really happy that you waited before going for laser. Its quite possible that it might have complicated things.
Sparky
Valued member
Thought it was to do with shaving too early, but nevermind, at least improvement is happening, and you haven't had your face zapped.
bullitnut
4 awesome repairs with SMG
glad things are getting better for ya dude
