Is FUT dead?

[skiny]

Did you suffer from scar stretch? besides listing loads of things that can probably happen with any operation, not sure what you try to say about distortion of hair caliber and grouping gradation. Pivotal details are omitted, maybe your way to say it.

What ramifications occured for you? its not clear except your dislike.

Sure keeping you a secret no one can say you can ´t but who is to say you ever had anything done? who is to say you are not on a mission, which you are, you said really. Don ´t see how you fight your cause and don ´t want to be open what happened and who did whatever you say to you, you say clinics hide but you do the same thing.

Just observations

 

[Mickey85]

skiny wrote:

Did you suffer from scar stretch? besides listing loads of things that can probably happen with any operation, not sure what you try to say about distortion of hair caliber and grouping gradation. Pivotal details are omitted, maybe your way to say it.

What ramifications occured for you? its not clear except your dislike.

Sure keeping you a secret no one can say you can ´t but who is to say you ever had anything done? who is to say you are not on a mission, which you are, you said really. Don ´t see how you fight your cause and don ´t want to be open what happened and who did whatever you say to you, you say clinics hide but you do the same thing.

Just observations

Not sure if English is your first language(forgive me if it is) but some things you say I am not understanding. I did suffer scar stretch yes, as well as poor yield and permanent shockloss of native hair. The things I listed in my FUE pros/cons thread can NOT happen in any surgery, the advantages of FUE are the disadvantages of FUT and they are exclusive to FUT. I advise you read the thread where things are explained in more detail but the change(distortion, erradication etc) of hair caliber and groupings occurs because the thicker caliber hairs in the middle of the donor abruptly meet the finer single hair grafts toward the lower of the donor. FUT changes the smooth transition between them because a large section is removed and the remaining sides are sealed together. It changes the hair flow of the direction also and can be quite drastic.

You are correct. Who is to say I have had anything done? What does it matter? I seek no sympathy or empathy. I seek to inform as many people as possible about the 'potential' ramifications of FUT and FUE. Because FUE has much more advantages, I support FUE and believe it to be the superior method. I don't need to use my results to support that. All the things listed in the thread in my signature can potentially occur with FUE and FUT, my own result/case is irrelevant. If you think I'm wrong, prove me wrong and debunk me.

So you think that not revealing details of my case is analogous to a clinic omitting, ignoring, downplaying vital factors and drawbacks!?! LOLLLLLLLLLL sorry I just find that very funny. Last time I checked Doctors and their clinics publicly pride themselves on being ethical, transparent and unbiased, they set the precedent for themselves in which they fail to honor time and time again. How can they abide by 'informed consent' when they do not inform the patient prior to surgery of the potential consequences of that surgery? I am under NO obligation to reveal ANY details about my personal experience because I am not in the profession of patient care and well being that is the basic fundamental of being a Doctor. I am also receive no remuneration unlike the reps and consultants.

Again, check the thread in my signature, it's there in black and white and you will see what is being with held from everyday patients by clinics, reps and surgeons. That is what my cause is about, it's not about my personal case.

 

[Boberto]

Heres the definition of a forum. In case anyones forget. Just sayin

Forums have a specific set of jargon associated with them; e.g. a single conversation is called a "thread".

A discussion forum is hierarchical or tree-like in structure: a forum can contain a number of subforums, each of which may have several topics. Within a forum's topic, each new discussion started is called a thread, and can be replied to by as many people as so wish.

Depending on the forum's settings, users can be anonymous or have to register with the forum and then subsequently log in in order to post messages. On most forums, users do not have to log in to read existing messages.

Forums are generaly an expression on a commmon experience or opinion.

 

[skiny]

Boberto wrote:

Heres the definition of a forum. In case anyones forget. Just sayin

Forums have a specific set of jargon associated with them; e.g. a single conversation is called a "thread".

A discussion forum is hierarchical or tree-like in structure: a forum can contain a number of subforums, each of which may have several topics. Within a forum's topic, each new discussion started is called a thread, and can be replied to by as many people as so wish.

Depending on the forum's settings, users can be anonymous or have to register with the forum and then subsequently log in in order to post messages. On most forums, users do not have to log in to read existing messages.

Forums are generaly an expression on a commmon experience or opinion.

Boberto,

first thing, I hope your experience works out well for you.

secondly, I guess your last post was aimed at me, I hope you were not asked to post it I manage a few forums so there is no need to give me a definition about forums.

I have read this forum a lot and its been very helpful for me, I choose to post when a person pushed his ideas on others and could not take another view. When he said he had an agenda by definition it means he is not balanced. You may agree with his view no problem but you are not on a mission like he is.

There is a difference about having a view and pushing your view as the truth.

There are many discrepancies, more than i am going to mention, but for example he is in favour of recommended lists of docs, I would not be surprised if the doc he went to is recommended on a list!

So why is he here and not complaining to those that take money off his doc, or for that matter other forums spreading the word.

Sorry, I feel there is more to this and it is not healthy, this forum was a good place for honest people to get information but it looks like there is a small invasion ( not you) who is trying to change it, and for the bad, and their own reasons.

 

[Mickey85]

Again, what have i posted that is not true? Debunk me. I challenge you to debunk me. Only then will you prove i have an insincere agenda.

How do you know my doc is on this forum? Or all forums? There are many docs not on here. When did i say im in favor of a recommended list of docs? Just because i post on htn? I was vocal about not having diep and vories inducted on there.

Unbalanced view? Simply because i think fue is superior and have shown why i think that is? You sound logical... you cant even rebutt anything i say.

Im not after a certain doctor.im here to give my views on fue as a procedure. If you are bitter because i wont give a name, that is your responsibilty, not mine.

 

[El Nino]

davewright wrote:

Is FUT still a viable surgery for 1000+ graft patients?

If I knew I could have gotten the same results with FUE as I got with FUT. And go back and do it again I would still choose FUT.

The reason being extracting 5400 grafts via FUE would almost certainly have exhausted my donor supply. Probably resulting in a moth eaten look too.

I still have a load of grafts in the bank via FUT and then FUE if/when needed.

Just my opinion and experience though.

 

[Mickey85]

El Nino wrote:

davewright wrote:

Is FUT still a viable surgery for 1000+ graft patients?

If I knew I could have gotten the same results with FUE as I got with FUT. And go back and do it again I would still choose FUT.

The reason being extracting 5400 grafts via FUE would almost certainly have exhausted my donor supply. Probably resulting in a moth eaten look too.

I still have a load of grafts in the bank via FUT and then FUE if/when needed.

Just my opinion and experience though.

That's fair, I can totally understand that.

 

[Mickey85]

The thing about Skiny is that I'm not sure what he expect from me? Does he want me to be a crusader and try and get my surgeon ousted on all forums? I never said or implied I was out to get my surgeon. If I was, you can guarantee I my results would be on every single HT forum that exists. Does he have a problem with my pro-FUE stance? Why? If he feels there is something in error, show me where and why he things that. If he just doesn't want someone promoting FUE, that's his problem and it's not going to stop.

 

[hairtech]

Boberto wrote:

Heres the definition of a forum. In case anyones forget. Just sayin

Forums have a specific set of jargon associated with them; e.g. a single conversation is called a "thread".

A discussion forum is hierarchical or tree-like in structure: a forum can contain a number of subforums, each of which may have several topics. Within a forum's topic, each new discussion started is called a thread, and can be replied to by as many people as so wish.

Depending on the forum's settings, users can be anonymous or have to register with the forum and then subsequently log in in order to post messages. On most forums, users do not have to log in to read existing messages.

Forums are generaly an expression on a commmon experience or opinion.

More forum definitions:

Ghost reader: One who reads only. Never posts.

Ghost Poster: A shill that creates alias's and posts agendas, creates drama, or other posts.

Shill: A person who forcefully posts about a clinic and never admits that other clinics are good.

Forum scumbag: A person who emails naive and unsuspecting forum members to create alias's and directs them what to post in order to make a clinic look bad and at the same time says, "Please do not mention that I emailoed you this."))N_)

 

[topccat29]

OMG ¦ ¦ ¦.lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦HT thanks for that last definition. When I speak with other patients usually Skype or on the phone we talk about some of those that work in the industry and about who says what and then what they do and then we laugh are asses off ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..I had no idea there was actually an official term forum scumbag . I mean I do throw the word scumbag around a lot but it s just part of my vocabulary but now I know.

Usually when someone is way too polite like over the top polite and then at the same time they seem to be all about every available opportunity to make a buck off a balding guy ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.something is up ¦ ¦ ¦..lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦

 

[hairtech]

I think we should start a different thread at some point for the ghost readers concerning these problems with forum scumbags. Primarily because this problem has gone uncheked for years. I was at one point a victim of a forum scumbag antic. [):h::

 

[topccat29]

I have a friend that lives just outside of Chicago it s at least an hour and half drive from the heart of the city. Her son who is only 16 wanted to come in to the city with a few of his friends on the train and she asked me what I thought as she didn t feel comfortable with the idea. I told her you really don t want to let that happen. He is much too young and is just simply not aware enough to avoid danger or even know when it is present and she agreed. I have had my share of incidents living in the city and I know logically sometimes it doesn t make sense but I just can t get myself to walk on the other side of the street. For many the forums can be a very dangerous place and most especially for young guys we can t just let these guys wander about aimlessly with the ever present danger, they need guidance.

The young guys don t have to listen to what I have to say but whoever you do decide to listen to try to get to know them as well as possible and determine their character. If they are sitting around getting their buzz on, talking about medications they are taking to feel good or even normal, making money anyway possible, those are all cues to maybe their counsel not being in your best interest. Just because someone is polite does not mean they are a good person.

 

[topccat29]

If the patient fully understand the pros and cons of strip than it s an option. It would not be my choice but everyone has different goals so it becomes a personal choice. What I will say is that it has been around long enough that one knows what to expect when compared to the unknowns of tattooing, plucking, robots, endoscopes and the like.

What I don t understand is the clinic that offers fue but once the patient is in the chair he is told it suddenly has not become an option for whatever reason and he will have to go with strip. I can only describe a doctor that would do this to a person who is in a weak and vulnerable position as a piece of sh*t, sorry but there is just no nice way to put it. In fact I can t even post what I really think. Those that work for this type of clinic are weasels and those that associate with weasels are in fact weasels by association. Yes I understand there are those that will argue that the weasel has suddenly seen the light but you are wrong they are still weasels and if you deal with a weasel well don t expect to get very good advice.

Hopefully these young guys will take the time to figure out if they are dealing with a weasel or not as sometimes it s more important than the technique and this can't be repeated often enough.

 

[topccat29]

It can be compared to what happens in this country with pregnant women one only needs to look at the stats and chances are you are going to have the c-cut. The doctor certainly doesn t want to be sitting there all day waiting for you to pop the baby out so all they need to say are the magic words. You are putting the baby at risk it might die, that s the closer. Same with the fue/strip switcharoo. You risk losing a good majority of you donor as the transaction rate in your case could be as high as 50% what would you like to do ¦ ¦ ¦.lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦but really it s not funny.

 

[Iniesta]

Correct me if I am wrong, but if your loss is quite aggressive and you need plenty of grafts, it's impossible to harvest the amount of grafts you need via FUE only? Therefore a combo of FUT/FUE is the best way get as much grafts as possible during your HT-journey?

For example, Bullitnut; the total amount of grafts you recieved via your 3 repairs @ Shapiro, it would not have been possible to harvest the same amount via FUE only, right?

I guess FUT will be available until there will be a solution when it comes to unlimited donor.

 

[topccat29]

Iniesta you are correct and that could very well be a good plan. As long as you are getting honest straight advice than for many it will be a valid option.

It's when the polite little weasel thinks he is smarter than you and tells you he has your best interest at heart and is just paying it forward mate when that it is complete nonsense when his real goal is to somehow become super wealthy off the backs of insecure young bald guys because and why not it's easy money as their desperation puts them in a position of believing anything.

 

[Boberto]

topccat29 wrote:

Iniesta you are correct and that could very well be a good plan. As long as you are getting honest straight advice than for many it will be a valid option.

It's when the polite little weasel thinks he is smarter than you and tells you he has your best interest at heart and is just paying it forward mate when that it is complete nonsense when his real goal is to somehow become super wealthy off the backs of insecure young bald guys because and why not it's easy money as their desperation puts them in a position of believing anything.

Spot on. A Combo like that could be well be the best way to go for some. Theres a clear distinction though between a case like that which is valid and the numerous other cases seen online like follows.

Where an impressionable young guy new to the scene with not so extensive loss has been sold a dummy and packed off for a strip scar he will regret for the rest of his life when he finally realises the options available to him. And that an FUE procedure with a top clinic would have sorted him right out.

Why? Some public liability wants to earn more $$$

 

[chrisis]

I saw a case recently of a guy who had a 1800 FUT, from England.

 

[Sparky]

chrisis wrote:

I saw a case recently of a guy who had a 1800 FUT, from England.

tell us more

 

[chrisis]

He went to Dr Feller. I asked if he had considered FUE, and his rep quickly jumped in to say he didn't want to keep his hair short in the donor area so the patient had no reservations with FUT. However, was he properly advised that he could have FUE in Europe with a top surgeon for roughly the same price?

Who would go for FUT if they'd been told these truths?

(I'm sure we all know who the rep is)