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Sparky
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Not going to allude to who it is. All I am saying is I know someone who is like this.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Me too I know someone like that too ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦..lol ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦but really it s not funny. I never really gave that person much thought and he seemed to be okay from what I was reading and super polite I might add unlike me. But then there seemed to be this recurring theme of dishonesty. If it was one person you could easily just let it go but when it repeats over and over and over again well than obviously something is up. Than all the locked or deleted threads ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦.hmmmmm ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ can you convince others of this probably not and it was never really worth it to try as you would just be incessantly attacked or banned. How dare you say that about someone who has done so much good much easier to label others as just bitter, blah, blah blah, made the wrong decision blah, blah, blah, has an agenda blah, blah, blah, yes all the repair patients are very bad men stay away from them just listen to me The Great Oz. All you can do is tell those that are new to speak with as many people as possible and hope they can find the way. The more information you have the better position you will in to put the pieces of the puzzle together and make the decision that is right for you.
If strip is advised it should be for the benefit of the patient and not the rep.
If strip is advised it should be for the benefit of the patient and not the rep.
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hairtech
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Topcat, chrisis, sparky...
We all are probably talking about the same forum scumbag. Especially the way Topcat describes him.
In my own victimization as a poster this guy convinced a person to create an alias using my name "hairtech" and post as me. The guy eventually felt bad about it and sent me the emails the forum scumbag had sent to him.
Everyone knows who he is and how he operates in my industry as well as the veteran posters. It is the newbies I worry about.[):h::
We all are probably talking about the same forum scumbag. Especially the way Topcat describes him.
In my own victimization as a poster this guy convinced a person to create an alias using my name "hairtech" and post as me. The guy eventually felt bad about it and sent me the emails the forum scumbag had sent to him.
Everyone knows who he is and how he operates in my industry as well as the veteran posters. It is the newbies I worry about.[):h::
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Sparky
Valued member
I dunno if we are talking about the same person or not, but getting someone to post as you is a bit off!
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
HT ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦wow ¦ ¦ ¦..that is really low. It s kind of interesting because if someone were to read my posts they could easily get the wrong impression and think I m a mean person and just the opposite of this particular rep like he could only do good. But it simply would not be true I would never screw anyone over. It s just not in me but I never liked bullies or con men it brings out the anger in me very easily. And my own personal experience has changed me into a person that s speaks up regardless of the situation. If I think something is bullsh*t it doesn t bother me to say so and that applies to real life and not just ht forums.
This guy we are all speaking about is a piece of sh*t and anyone in the industry that feels bad for him should reevaluate their opinion.
Anyway your story is excellent information for many out there as a good majority of these posters on forums are not even real they are made up to control the flow of information and manipulate the readers.
This guy we are all speaking about is a piece of sh*t and anyone in the industry that feels bad for him should reevaluate their opinion.
Anyway your story is excellent information for many out there as a good majority of these posters on forums are not even real they are made up to control the flow of information and manipulate the readers.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Like all good politicians and their associates they know to go away when the SHTF so that is what you should expect so it's important for this to be posted and for others to pay attention. Suddenly they are all busy and their schedules just don t allow them enough time. But as always they will reappear 6-12 months later as if nothing happened, business as usual and you know what it works. History will be forgotten and the beat goes on.
In a perfect world it would be nice to see the dishonest people in one group and the honest people in another group. With so many of the forums being completely corrupted it makes for a difficult proposition. Hopefully this all changes in time and those that are honest will no longer have to associate with the scumbags.
Chris you got lucky and hopefully you will help others. When you are attacked for trying to help ask yourself if it s normal for a prospective patient that is seeking as much information as possible to act in such a way, maybe it s not a real patient.
In a perfect world it would be nice to see the dishonest people in one group and the honest people in another group. With so many of the forums being completely corrupted it makes for a difficult proposition. Hopefully this all changes in time and those that are honest will no longer have to associate with the scumbags.
Chris you got lucky and hopefully you will help others. When you are attacked for trying to help ask yourself if it s normal for a prospective patient that is seeking as much information as possible to act in such a way, maybe it s not a real patient.
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hairtech
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Well a red flag for those newbies to look out for is the shill that PM's you and while speaking highly of the clinic he represents... he will also down play other clinics. A really good adviser will tell you of other good clinics.
We had a guy recently from Belgium that came here to get FUE. Right off the bat I asked him why or did he consider Bisanga, Mwamba, Devroye, etc? He said he did not know about them. Then I told him that it is great that he came here but if he needed further work then there were reputable clinics in Belgium as well.
Straight talk always will provide a person with trust. I hope the forum scum bag is reading these posts because I need him to know that we all know you and we have proof. One day I may post the emails for everyone to see. If the mood strikes me...
cheers Z:B
We had a guy recently from Belgium that came here to get FUE. Right off the bat I asked him why or did he consider Bisanga, Mwamba, Devroye, etc? He said he did not know about them. Then I told him that it is great that he came here but if he needed further work then there were reputable clinics in Belgium as well.
Straight talk always will provide a person with trust. I hope the forum scum bag is reading these posts because I need him to know that we all know you and we have proof. One day I may post the emails for everyone to see. If the mood strikes me...
cheers Z:B
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Agony666
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It's a strange mix of "I don't want nor care for all this Internet drama" and "doing what's right to protect people".
Personally I'd love to see his demise in some kind of glorious tidal wave of all the evidence there is on this person. Sadly that won't happen, and even if it did 99% of mods will delete it all and hope we forget in a few months. Then he'd just carry on, business as usual.
Besides, it's not the forum vets he scams. It's the new ones!
As long as all these forums and clinics are in one another's pockets then this is a useless fight. I wouldn't even care that much if they weren't all so up themselves as to what a huge favour they're apparently doing everyone.
"Trust us, not those other conmen!"
And Hair, could you give us new posters a summary of what happened between you and this "consumer advocate"?
Personally I'd love to see his demise in some kind of glorious tidal wave of all the evidence there is on this person. Sadly that won't happen, and even if it did 99% of mods will delete it all and hope we forget in a few months. Then he'd just carry on, business as usual.
Besides, it's not the forum vets he scams. It's the new ones!
As long as all these forums and clinics are in one another's pockets then this is a useless fight. I wouldn't even care that much if they weren't all so up themselves as to what a huge favour they're apparently doing everyone.
"Trust us, not those other conmen!"
And Hair, could you give us new posters a summary of what happened between you and this "consumer advocate"?
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hairtech
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Sure... The shill emailed a previous patient of ours. He convinced him to go on a popular hair forum and sign up as hairtechmn or something like that. Then he told him to post negative things about my clinic. My doctor asks me if it was me posting but he knew that it was someone else. Eventually the guy felt bad about it and emailed us and myself the entire exchange between the patient and the shill. The shill was very sly about it and said to please not to mention his name in every email. I was so taken back by this type of behavior.
And this was 3 years ago. Since then many mnay people have behind the scenes have brought up this exact behavior happening to many people and yes the newbies are his targets.
And this was 3 years ago. Since then many mnay people have behind the scenes have brought up this exact behavior happening to many people and yes the newbies are his targets.
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Agony666
Valued member
Why wasn't legal action taken? Or at least considered or threatened
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
The point of all this should be for those that just read. They should take pause and say to themselves ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦hmmmm ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦this is not going to be as simple as I thought. I need to gather as much information from as many sources as possible over an extended period of time and try and figure this out first. This applies to just about everything , one can t just simply read a forum or tune into a show and say to themselves hey I m in my safe place the man just told me.
I think it s natural for most of us to think that people are basically good but unfortunately this is not always true. Sometime we assume too much without further investigation as it just becomes too much work. A good example would be this Jimmy Saville person. I had no idea who he was but when he died there were a few comments posted to the forum and from what I read I assumed he must have been a really good person. Well it s turns out he was evil incarnate and not helping children but sexually abusing them What is even more amazing is that many that worked in the same industry probably knew but no one said anything for years, why? I think people just don t want to get involved and come forward as if they do it might reflect badly on themselves so they just remain quiet and the abuse just continues.
Hairtech that is an incredible story and really amazing to hear, thanks for taking the time to tell it. I m sure there are many ht patients out there that feel like they were violated in some way and no one listened or cared, their posts were just deleted and they were banned and some of the forums are partly to blame and should be held accountable. I m sure you feel some vindication with more patients speaking up my reaction would have been less subdued.
Will be interesting to watch the damage control, kind of hard to hide the truth.
What I would really like to see is the handful of clinics doing honest ethical work regardless of the method get together, put aside their differences and work together to put an end to all of this. Start their own organization and their own method of communicating meeting some type of agreed upon standards that puts the patient s welfare always at the forefront and stop doing business with these scumbags.
I think it s natural for most of us to think that people are basically good but unfortunately this is not always true. Sometime we assume too much without further investigation as it just becomes too much work. A good example would be this Jimmy Saville person. I had no idea who he was but when he died there were a few comments posted to the forum and from what I read I assumed he must have been a really good person. Well it s turns out he was evil incarnate and not helping children but sexually abusing them What is even more amazing is that many that worked in the same industry probably knew but no one said anything for years, why? I think people just don t want to get involved and come forward as if they do it might reflect badly on themselves so they just remain quiet and the abuse just continues.
Hairtech that is an incredible story and really amazing to hear, thanks for taking the time to tell it. I m sure there are many ht patients out there that feel like they were violated in some way and no one listened or cared, their posts were just deleted and they were banned and some of the forums are partly to blame and should be held accountable. I m sure you feel some vindication with more patients speaking up my reaction would have been less subdued.
Will be interesting to watch the damage control, kind of hard to hide the truth.
What I would really like to see is the handful of clinics doing honest ethical work regardless of the method get together, put aside their differences and work together to put an end to all of this. Start their own organization and their own method of communicating meeting some type of agreed upon standards that puts the patient s welfare always at the forefront and stop doing business with these scumbags.
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Sparky
Valued member
Even when the truth comes out I doubt it will have a long term effect, what about all the newbies that don't research forums?
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hairtech
member
Nah... It doesn't really bother me now... unless I see it happening to other folks... And apparently it is.
Like I said before, the shill has been outed within my industry and among the veteran posters.
The forum scumbag is exactly the description of the term. A low life that uses people and tries to get unwary newbies to come to his few clinics he represents. }:BY:>?
Like I said before, the shill has been outed within my industry and among the veteran posters.
The forum scumbag is exactly the description of the term. A low life that uses people and tries to get unwary newbies to come to his few clinics he represents. }:BY:>?
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Boberto
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Not surprising in the least Chris. One of many many topics locked on these shitty forums when a particular clinic or rep is close to being outed for what they are with the truth.!
This has been going on a long time on other forums. Its frankly disgusting and im glad others are now also starting to see it for what it is and speak up.
Have seen your case, you fortunatly made a good informed decision (where many new to the scene could have been railroaded) and you should be in for an excellent result with Dr F.
Not surprising in the least Chris. One of many many topics locked on these shitty forums when a particular clinic or rep is close to being outed for what they are with the truth.!
This has been going on a long time on other forums. Its frankly disgusting and im glad others are now also starting to see it for what it is and speak up.
Have seen your case, you fortunatly made a good informed decision (where many new to the scene could have been railroaded) and you should be in for an excellent result with Dr F.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Personally I have not been a victim of any consumer fraud perpetuated by hairloss forums but I have spoken to many over the years who have been victims of this crime so I was well aware that the manipulation was going on. I have commented on this before . What I am reading in that e-mail posted by Hairtech is consumer fraud. Obviously the rep knew exactly what he was doing and the potential consequences for patients as he lined his pockets. But what did those that associcated with him know and were they complicit. Once the connection can be made between him and any forum owners than maybe real consumer advocacy will rise to the surface.
Here is the thing about doing business with little weasels. Just as quick as they are to turn on patients they will be just as quick to turn on forum owners if necessary as that is naturally what a little weasel does.
Character matters and that is why it s best not to associate with those who don t have any.
Here is the thing about doing business with little weasels. Just as quick as they are to turn on patients they will be just as quick to turn on forum owners if necessary as that is naturally what a little weasel does.
Character matters and that is why it s best not to associate with those who don t have any.
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Boberto
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Have just seen that post by Hair tech and i must say it does not surprise in the slightest.
It would be nice to see complicit forum owners also exposed for their behaviour in this newbie 'Racket'.
It's a great post from a leading clinic as it validates in black and white from them what a lot of people have been saying.
I suppose this will try to be deflected as everyone being bitter and having an 'agenda' now though! :whatever:
It would be nice to see complicit forum owners also exposed for their behaviour in this newbie 'Racket'.
It's a great post from a leading clinic as it validates in black and white from them what a lot of people have been saying.
I suppose this will try to be deflected as everyone being bitter and having an 'agenda' now though! :whatever:
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topccat29
29 year HT veteran
My suggestion for this rep as I see him peeking around the corner to see if the coast is clear yet would be to follow Prince Harry s lead after the Las Vegas scandal. Fly yourself off to Afghanistan and fight the evildoers, lay low for a few months then come back work a few charities maybe work with disabled children or victims of abuse then you will be all good to go. I promise not to say well look who s back in town
I guess you would have to really be a repair patient to understand all of this. Guess what scumbag you re not smarter. Many of us just felt that people were generally good and wouldn t let others be harmed so they can enrich themselves. You re not smarter you're just and as*hole.
You didn't harm me but I am very familiar with your kind through my own experiences and I don't like what you do.
I guess you would have to really be a repair patient to understand all of this. Guess what scumbag you re not smarter. Many of us just felt that people were generally good and wouldn t let others be harmed so they can enrich themselves. You re not smarter you're just and as*hole.
You didn't harm me but I am very familiar with your kind through my own experiences and I don't like what you do.
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Jessop
Valued member
Why not mention the people doing this so people know to not trust them?
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Why because it s better for you to think for yourself and understand what you are seeing so when there is another one lurking around the corner you can pick up on the clues. Those that do not know certainly should not be considering ht surgery until they learn more. Speak with people in person or on the phone.
Will be interesting to watch as this is what keeps me coming back to the forums. I m interested in the general subject matter with these types of issues.
So what can we expect? Will it be, hey I really don t know the guy, met him a few times he seemed a friendly sort but other than that we have no business dealings or will it be something else.
Will be interesting to watch as this is what keeps me coming back to the forums. I m interested in the general subject matter with these types of issues.
So what can we expect? Will it be, hey I really don t know the guy, met him a few times he seemed a friendly sort but other than that we have no business dealings or will it be something else.
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