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Permanent ink-SMP...example of a disaster

janna

janna

Valuable Member
This gentleman came for a consultation for a strip procedure recently. His SMP was noticeable from across the room. He also had one prior strip surgery 4-5 years ago to the frontal hairline zone.

Apparently, he had two sessions of SMP performed because the first session faded too quickly. Well, you can see what the second session did to the color. He uses a lot of cover-up fibers to hide the blue ink. The ink turning blue seems too common with the perm inks. According to our SMP specialist, depending on the ink used- traditional tattoo ink is easier to laser off than the perm make up ink. I'll ask her to give more information on this.

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Bigmac

Bigmac

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Hi Janna,
What did Smg recommend for this guy.
 
bullitnut

bullitnut

4 awesome repairs with SMG
I truly hope he gets this sorted poor guy....without forums like this more people wouldn't have the opportunity to research properly and could get sucked into a poor job like this unfortunate guy. What was the person responsible for this thinking::;mb
 
SADbutTRUE

SADbutTRUE

Valued member
my heart goes out to this patient, I hope you guys at smg can help him, it turns my stomach seeing what happened to him;;::::/ if possible give us a update on his situation,
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
I say stay away from this. Hairloss is hard enough for most to deal with, nobody needs to have a giant stain on their head to top it off.

Hope he has enough donor to cover this.
 
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SADbutTRUE

SADbutTRUE

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is there some way he can have the ink removed? then have the front done , is this even possible?*nl the company who did this to him should be ashamed of themselves
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
No matter what anyone decides to do regarding your hairloss remember one thing whatever result you end up with you are on your own............all these jerk offs that have never had a procedure of any kind that tell you to go for it will not be around.

How many posters have encouraged others to do this and they themselves have not had it done. Do not listen to them a good majority of them are not even real people but simply promoters.

If this patient named the outfit that did this to him and complained on the forums chances are he would be sued..............that's the way it works..............so wake up and stop living in fantasy land.
 
salvar

salvar

Valued member
This is a very bad job, unfortunately there are loads of tattoo artists and other people that don't take this procedure seriously out there.

He needs a laser removal, its pretty effective, after that its possible to do this properly and give him a good look.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
This post below is cira 2003 over 10 years ago..................read the history it's more important then much of what is being posted in the present as you will keep seeing the history repeat with certain topics and you will actually learn something.


This post below is from someone who actually had tattooing performed but he was not alone there were others. Start digging and look for the bodies regardless of the topic no one is going to show you the way.


The person that tattooed this patients head sleeps very well. He made a few dollars, an insignificant amount of money and it was okay to ruin someone's life to do it. Just thank God it's not you.


Yes, they are the same, only tattoo is commercial ink, and permanent make up, or camouflage are organic inks, usually, so. They both are bad in the scalp and will turn blue or green..... in time. Then you have to go back over and over and redo the tattooed area with an orange color to take the blue out, or add some color to take the blue or green out.. a lot of work ..... The head is too sebaceous to be able to predict what will happen when the tattoo goes into the scalp, to oily to retain color in the scalp. Look at ************ €™s tattoo in his scar and you will see a blue gray color...... Do not tattoo the scalp under any circumstances, unless you want to spend a lifetime tattooing your head over and over to retain the color. The pigment will also migrate in the scalp: such as, when you put pigment in the scalp, such as to draw hair strokes to make it look more natural, then what can happen is they migrate in the scalp and become one solid color. No one can predict whether this will happen before you get the tattoo. Once the tattoo is in the scalp it's very costly and painful to laser it out.... Don't tattoo the scalp..... It may help for a while ... but not worth it, if it works, at all???? Some scar tissue will not take tattoo......
 
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Bigmac

Bigmac

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Laser removal is painful and not as easy on the head, as TC says I hope he has enough hair to repair this mess.
 
janna

janna

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I believe he has enough donor to give him decent coverage throughout the top of his head and with lighter coverage to the crown. Our goal is to have enough transplanted hairs for the cover-up fibers to hold on to. He should need a lot less of the cover ups. He's currently using a lot now and hair spraying it down to keep it in place.

He knows the cost and pain associated with laser to remove the ink and doesn't mind that he may need to use a little bit of cover up even after his 2 ht surgeries with us.

Oddly enough, he's never demanded his money back from the SMP clinic.
 
scepticsausage

scepticsausage

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Could the blue pigment look a little better if he had a few laser sessions first to lighten it before having a transplant*nl
 
janna

janna

Valuable Member
It could look slightly better with 1 or 2 laser removal treatments but it wasn't something the patient wanted to do.
 
SADbutTRUE

SADbutTRUE

Valued member
is the patient going to smg for repair? pulling for this guy,it would be cool to see him restored and improve his quality of life
 
janna

janna

Valuable Member
Yes, he's scheduled for the end of March. I'll keep everyone posted of his progress.
 
Nicole007

Nicole007

Valued member
Hi everyone, my name is Nicole and I am the pigmentation specialist for Shapiro Medical Group. Whenever I am working with a patient who is considering any type of laser tattoo removal I like to remind them to do a little research on the basic type of pigments the company and/or technician they were working with used during the procedure. This can be useful information for the laser specialist and may make a difference in predicting how many treatments you will need for a successful removal/repair. All pigments and/or inks are composed of either carbon black (tattoo pigment),synthetic organic pigments (semi-permanent/temporary pigments),or oxides of various metals (permanent cosmetics). You should be able to call the clinic you were working with and ask them some basic questions like Were you using tattoo ink or permanent cosmetic pigments. Don`t get caught up in worrying or discussing proprietary pigment information. Also, I encourage everyone to call and have open discussions with the clinics and/or technicians they were working with anytime they are unhappy with their results because today many of the large SMP clinics offer laser removal on-site and many private technicians have a laser removal specialists who they refer to and have built relationships with. Most clinics and technicians that I have worked with will be more than willing to guide you down a path to a successful repair. While each person is unique, as is their tattoo, most professional tattoos take 3-10 treatments to remove depending on the amount of ink used, type of ink, depth of ink placed in the skin, location, age, colors, and each person`s individual health considerations. On a hopeful note, dark ink (black and blue) are usually treated more easily because they absorb the light from the laser more effectively. If you have more questions, please feel free to email me at [email protected]. I am happy to help.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
I would take the longer road and have that removed no matter how long it took.

Of course many in life have heavier burdens to bear than any of us with hair loss issues including those of us who are repair patients. None the less it must be quite a heavy load for this patient, good luck to him hope he gets some relief.
 
janna

janna

Valuable Member
topccat29 wrote:
I would take the longer road and have that removed no matter how long it took.

It's not the road this patient wants to take. We have advised him to laser it off, or at least lighten the temple corners so the corners of the hairline aren't so low. He wants to do the two procedures but does not want to laser.

Thanks Nicole for the detailed info.


 
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