Dr Rogers (UK)- FUT 1900 GRAFTS - DAY 1 - 7

[Sparky]

Nevermind, this is well off track now.

 

[Pacman]

johnboy2011 wrote:

Sparky wrote:

The reason Pacman is saying some of these things is that we have seen some much crap surgery in the UK it's hard to trust anyone.

FYI, Rogers didn't do a good job on me, I had to go to Brussels to have the grafts removed, and the scar grafted, via fue.
I wouldn't consider Zeiring to be a great surgeon either, he's ok. Any clinic that tout's their celeb patients should be avoided imo.
Out of the 4 Dr's that operated on me in the UK, Rogers was the best one.

I've had 4 un-needed HT's in the UK, why 4? because none of them gave me any density, so I kept going back to get what I should of got in 1 HT, even after 4, the density was bad.

I don't understand why people don't want to travel abroad, remember an HT is forever and ever, and it's not a big deal to take some time to travel, as you get no second chances, none. Travelling to Brussels is just as easy as travelling to the UK based clinics being mentioned.

You are right in saying that there are bad clinics elsewhere in the world, but in my opinion, the only clinic in the UK that I trust is Farjo, that's my opinion and I'm entitled to that having had very bad surgery in the UK. I've spent a lot of time very depressed about what UK Dr's did to me, and ended up in therapy and on anti depressants as well.

All this being said, I'm sure your result will be fine, I doubt it will be the only HT you will get though.

Hi Sparky,

I can't comment on the reasons why your's didnt work out with Dr R and why you didnt get the density. But the point i was trying to make to Pacman is that there are a few select surgeons that clearly are reputable and enough of them in the UK not to have to travel.

I think its impossbile to tell who is the best for all types of HT's and patients alike. There can't be a standard that is so much higher than that of the most reputable surgeons. The differences can't be so great for the need to travel. If Dr R has carried out over 4000 procedures i guess there will be a small minority such as yourself where it didnt work out. Its probably the same % fail that most top surgeons have because from what I've read on the forums they've all had bad results at some point. The other point I was trying to make is that given the fact that Dr R has done over 4000 surely if he was a bad surgeon there would be a great number of disgruntled posts on these forum. Bad news travels much faster than good.

I think each person is different to how they take to surgery and how the grafts hold themselves. I don't know whether even my own HT will work out exactly how I want it - alot of its success will be down to how my body copes and what I have done post op. How I look after myself in the next few months etc. I certainly wont be blaming Dr Rogers because so far the experience and the quality of the work that has been done on my is of a high standard. I've had a number of different people inspect the area under magnifying glass and they've all said - its look really clean, the hair is dense, well positioned etc. The scar has healed brilliantly - i didnt even need to get my stiches taken out - they dissolved naturally. I've had no tightness and the post op care has been great. I've had lots of emails between me and the clinic and the Dr.
The day itself was a breeze and the team was great. I had 100% of their attention on me throughout the whole day. They were working as hard as they probably could but they also took plenty of rests so they were focused. This is why I say they were professional and exuded competence in their field. I did say to pacman that one area that is never mentioned in these forums is the team of technicians. The Dr is only half the story and if I was going to advise anyone about something that I did miss in my research it would be to investigate the quality and size of the team.

I dont see anything wrong with touting celeb patients - all the top clinics self promote and use testimonials to establish credibilty. The job that was done on jason clearly is no fluke and what a great job. So, whats wrong with putting that clinic in the bracket of top clinics. Again this was my point to PACMAN.

He seems to be an expert and no doubt people think he might well be so therefore will follow his advise. They should listen to people who have gone through this process with the good and the bad stuff so they can make an informed decision - just like I did.

I am certainly no expert i have openly stated how wet behind the ears i am with regards the HT world. However i stand by my personal opinion.

If you feel you have exhausted all opportunities and chosen the best of the best then good for you.

Any level headed person will see the wood from the trees!

 

[johnboy2011]

Pacman - i think your last line should have read - any bald headed person should see the wood from the trees!!!
All the best and I hope you pick up the courage to get on with it - you'll find your opinions with gather much more strength plus it would be very interesting for the forum to see what you do, especially after the views you've expressed so forthrightly - I for one am looking forward to it.
Johnboy

 

[Pacman]

Right back at you buddy!

Regards,

Pacman

 

[Bigmac]

Ok guys, the thread is going off track now, the patient is happy with his choice in doctor, lets wait and see how his result turns out.

If you all want to debate, maybe start a new thread in the General hairloss section.

Thanks bm.

 

[Sparky]

Although this went way off track, the placement looks nice and random, so the result should look natural, and I would be interested in following your progress.

 

[MarcNW]

The initial result looks great johnboy. Well done for having the courage to go for it!!

 

[johnboy2011]

MarcNW wrote:

The initial result looks great johnboy. Well done for having the courage to go for it!!

Thanks Marc,

I'm now 26 days on and pretty much most of it has now shed. I've experienced a little redness to the recipient site due to the minoxidil - typically I just went out and bought REGAIN. I think there is potential for skin irritation using minoxidil on bare skin which clearly it is now that it's shed.

I've ordered up some propecia as from research it can help with growth and regrowth generally. So, I'm hopnig it will support the growth of the new hair over the next few months. I understand this isn't guarenteed but I think its worth trying out and if I experience any side effects then I'll stop.

all the best

John

 

[sweetfreedom]

Only just found this thread, and very interesting it is to

I applaud John for researching the UK surgery route and going with Dr Rogers, the results thus far look very encouraging.
Just a shame that this clinic isn't really in to FUE!

Looking forward to more updates

 

[Sparky]

I think that this will end up in a good result, but why do people keep talking about results straight after the HT? There isn't a result until the HT is fully grown out, all we can look at is placement, which looks good, "results" will be seen in a year, and that includes my latest HT and Rooney's HT, and anybody else's aswell.

 

[sweetfreedom]

Of course we will have to wait and see.
But just like other posts here on this fourm about other doc and other clinics we can comment on how things look in the early stages.
And this HT, at this stage, looks pretty good.

 

[Sparky]

I agree it looks good but it's not a result until it's grown out. 6 + 6 = 12, 12 is the result of this sum, it doesn't go on after this, the result is what we see 12-18 months after the surgery.

 

[sweetfreedom]

Sparky wrote:

I agree it looks good but it's not a result until it's grown out. 6 + 6 = 12, 12 is the result of this sum, it doesn't go on after this, the result is what we see 12-18 months after the surgery.

Yes of course, but as I have said, we are purely commenting on how this HT looks right now, just as we might do with any other HT with any clinic, on this or any other forum.

It would be difficult if people posted pics of their HT's at early stages and nobody ever commented!

I have a feeling this HT will look rather good at 12 months but time will tell.

I am pleased though that John drew from his own research both here and elsewhere and decided to act on that and go with Dr Rogers. That shows a certain amount of conviction which deserves encouragement, and thus far he seems to have made a good choice.

 

[Sparky]

OK, as we are commenting on it as it looks now, stop saying "the results" because there aren't any yet, as there isn't with Rooney or me or anyone else at this very very early stage.

 

[Pacman]

Everybody has freedom of choice to choose the clinic that they feel suits them best and ultimately the patient makes this choice

Dont know why you feel its unique in this instance?

 

[T.C]

I would swap the word "conviction" with "bravery" in my humble yet well researched and path trodden opinion.

 

[johnboy2011]

Pacman wrote:

Everybody has freedom of choice to choose the clinic that they feel suits them best and ultimately the patient makes this choice

Dont know why you feel its unique in this instance?

Hi,

It looks like I need to respond again. I would like to thank sweet freedom for his positive words. Like they say its nice to be nice. ¬b`

However, why is it when ever someone says anything positive tweedle dee and tweedle dum aka pacman and sparky have to go on and kill it.

Please refer to Bigmacs post which said the thread had gone way off track. So, why dont you two guys follow big macs instruction. Just accept someones positive comments. You two guys are not a good advert for anyone posting on these boards because 9 times out of 10 you only have negative comments to make. ))N_)

Anyway, PACMAN, I thought you were going to stop commenting as some sort of expert until you had the b..ls to go through with it yourself. *nl '''ss''

 

[Sparky]

I'm just telling it like it is, you don't have a result yet as you only just had the HT, I said that it looked liked it was going to be good when all grown out but that won't be for a year.

Coming on here and calling people names is just immature.


I said that I think that you will get a good result, why do you think that's negative?

 

[Pacman]

Some people couldnt care if Mr Mcgoo did your HT just as long as it was done in the UK and im sorry but i dont agree with this stance.

Again i am not an expert! I was not been anyway negative to you so less of the name calling it is childish and immature.

Anyway I think if you re-read the posts you will find that Sparky has been very complimentary to you so you owe that guy an apology.

 

[johnboy2011]

Pacman wrote:

Some people couldnt care if Mr Mcgoo did your HT just as long as it was done in the UK and im sorry but i dont agree with this stance.

Again i am not an expert! I was not been anyway negative to you so less of the name calling it is childish and immature.

Anyway I think if you re-read the posts you will find that Sparky has been very complimentary to you so you owe that guy an apology.

The point I am trying to make is that as soon as someone makes a positive comment or indeed any comment both of you have to go on and find something wrong with the statement - you both read into things and interpret statements made. You can't just let things lay.


[align=right]Examples of PACMANS comment:

Everybody has freedom of choice to choose the clinic that they feel suits them best and ultimately the patient makes this choice

Dont know why you feel its unique in this instance?

[/align]So where did Sweetfreedom ever say he felt it was unique? Another example of Pacman putting words into peoples mouths.

Regards to you - I think everyone knows what sweetfreedom was saying - what his intention was in his posting but you have to go on and disagree, split hairs and be all pedantic. If you read his posting he said the results thus far - he didn't say it was a final result. A successful HT surely is about ticking off all the steps in the process ie the research, the procedure, scar, post op recovery etc etc. So you can have results thus far. I've completly shed now and am in the waiting stage.

Anyway - you know the point I'm making. Hence why I called you two tweedle dee and tweedle dum. You are both the same and can't resist having a pop. Like i said - the way you act is discouraging people from contributing to this forum. People can see by my thread how a simple posting can be taking out of context and how the person is then continually questioned and belittled. You guys should stop giving advice unless its sought.

By the way - tweedle dee and tweedle dum is hardly insulting. What is insulting is when someone says their research was flawed and they are made out to be naive.