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alexconway
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@Agony was your consultant spex? I'm pretty sure of it reading between the lines. A few people are raising questions about him now selling FUE after bashing it for years on the forums.
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Mickey85
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skiny wrote:
Im not sure who Agony went to. My procedure however was a failure in almost everyway
i post under the same user name on htn so i have dont have to make other accounts under different names. My opinion on fut is a strong one, but its only my opinion buddy. I doubt a guy like me will make a dent in the ht industry hehe.
If i sound like im bashing fut, thats fine, im cool with a label like that, but the info i wrote out about the drawbacks of fut are sound and true. Im more bitter that that information had to be researched by one individual(myself) and not freely dispensed by fut clinics who seem to pride themselves on 'informed consent' as i've never seen them mention those factors publicly or privately.
I would be more suspicious if people such as myself were actually dropping names of surgeons instead of being silent on them as that would show a more personal agenda rather than one based on factual inherent flaws in a technique but that is up to your discretion.
Im not sure who Agony went to. My procedure however was a failure in almost everyway
i post under the same user name on htn so i have dont have to make other accounts under different names. My opinion on fut is a strong one, but its only my opinion buddy. I doubt a guy like me will make a dent in the ht industry hehe.If i sound like im bashing fut, thats fine, im cool with a label like that, but the info i wrote out about the drawbacks of fut are sound and true. Im more bitter that that information had to be researched by one individual(myself) and not freely dispensed by fut clinics who seem to pride themselves on 'informed consent' as i've never seen them mention those factors publicly or privately.
I would be more suspicious if people such as myself were actually dropping names of surgeons instead of being silent on them as that would show a more personal agenda rather than one based on factual inherent flaws in a technique but that is up to your discretion.
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alexconway
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@Agony Here are some of the criticisms on forums I'm talking about:
http://imgur.com/a/065ev
Missed one: http://i.imgur.com/UE23G72.png
If the guy you were talking about is spex you should really ask him why he changed his mind about FUE. You deserve a realistic answer.
By the way, most criticisms of Spex get deleted (except on this forum). I try to preserve them when I can because I don't know why he should be protected from answering valid questions and transparency is so important in this industry.
http://imgur.com/a/065ev
Missed one: http://i.imgur.com/UE23G72.png
If the guy you were talking about is spex you should really ask him why he changed his mind about FUE. You deserve a realistic answer.
By the way, most criticisms of Spex get deleted (except on this forum). I try to preserve them when I can because I don't know why he should be protected from answering valid questions and transparency is so important in this industry.
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topccat29
29 year HT veteran
If medical information you were receiving was being manipulated by a forum and it resulted in you being damaged than file a complaint with the FTC if you live in the States. It s consumer fraud and plenty of people sit in jail for 20+ years because of it. If you fail to take action than you are no better than that forum that manipulates the information.
Not a problem just paying it forward mate
Not a problem just paying it forward mate
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alexconway
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He's framing himself as an innocent victim caught up in an internet plot. How that diminishes the contradictions he's bound up in is not clear, e.g.:
In his "resource", Maximum Hair Minimum Loss, he writes:
"The Strip v's FUE debate will forever live on as people want to convince themselves that FUE is just as viable as option as strip"
Is he now one of those people convincing himself that FUE is as viable an option as strip? What is the truth?
In his "resource", Maximum Hair Minimum Loss, he writes:
"The Strip v's FUE debate will forever live on as people want to convince themselves that FUE is just as viable as option as strip"
Is he now one of those people convincing himself that FUE is as viable an option as strip? What is the truth?
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davewright
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Not to pick sides here but he's stated several times he's ok with FUE up to 1000-1500 but beyond that even the most reputable clinics don't produce good results. I guess that's his opinion, which he's entitled to.
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alexconway
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davewright wrote:
You must be talking about pre-Feriduni spex. He's happy to sell FUE to people above that now. I know it's hard to keep up... :whatever:
You must be talking about pre-Feriduni spex. He's happy to sell FUE to people above that now. I know it's hard to keep up... :whatever:
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Boberto
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Education and constant reading of forums is so important. Along with speaking to other patients / forum readers.
Theres so much subterfuge and conflicting information doing the rounds out there it must be perplexing for the newbie. Theres no doubt the industry is full of people ill advised.
People need to be as wary in this industry as when they go to a used car dealership. Too much money and potential self interest going around.
Theres so much subterfuge and conflicting information doing the rounds out there it must be perplexing for the newbie. Theres no doubt the industry is full of people ill advised.
People need to be as wary in this industry as when they go to a used car dealership. Too much money and potential self interest going around.
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skiny
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Mickey85 wrote:
so you had a bad experience, sorry for that if its the case, now you research, you didn ´t before? how can anyone make a call on you if you don ´t show who you are, your experience, just a person behind a name, no pictures, no evidence. You think you are doing good but actually you do no good because you hide, you ask people to believe you but you dont give a reason really.
I get the feeling you are quite young and head strong, you feel wronged and hate it, sorry if wrong, but the way you write sound like that, and you have some followers who probably are the same.
skiny wrote:
Im not sure who Agony went to. My procedure however was a failure in almost everyway
If i sound like im bashing fut, thats fine, im cool with a label like that, but the info i wrote out about the drawbacks of fut are sound and true. Im more bitter that that information had to be researched by one individual(myself) and not freely dispensed by fut clinics who seem to pride themselves on 'informed consent' as i've never seen them mention those factors publicly or privately.
I would be more suspicious if people such as myself were actually dropping names of surgeons instead of being silent on them as that would show a more personal agenda rather than one based on factual inherent flaws in a technique but that is up to your discretion.
so you had a bad experience, sorry for that if its the case, now you research, you didn ´t before? how can anyone make a call on you if you don ´t show who you are, your experience, just a person behind a name, no pictures, no evidence. You think you are doing good but actually you do no good because you hide, you ask people to believe you but you dont give a reason really.
I get the feeling you are quite young and head strong, you feel wronged and hate it, sorry if wrong, but the way you write sound like that, and you have some followers who probably are the same.
chrisis
Valued member
Boberto wrote:
I 100% agree with you Boberto.
When I was investigating getting a hair transplant I found it best to rely on my own research and other people's experiences. I was in regular contact with a former patient and dug deep into the FUT/ FUE topic to educate myself on the facts. Despite some of the misinformation out there I believe I made the right choice and one of the reasons I blog my experience is to help others do the same.
I 100% agree with you Boberto.
When I was investigating getting a hair transplant I found it best to rely on my own research and other people's experiences. I was in regular contact with a former patient and dug deep into the FUT/ FUE topic to educate myself on the facts. Despite some of the misinformation out there I believe I made the right choice and one of the reasons I blog my experience is to help others do the same.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
I agree speak to actual patients that do not make their living from this business. You can look at most repair patients and I can guarantee you the majority of them had their procedures under the age of 30 regardless of it s today or 10 years ago. Those are the easy marks as the majority of them are clueless to how the world works, They don t understand that polite guy that takes advantage of any and all opportunities to make a buck in this business is really a scumbag and is not there to help them.
Guys over 40 that have their first HT are more apt to pick up on the flim flam man because he can t keep his story straight when he is asked too many questions and the guy over 40 just has more life experience.
Guys over 40 that have their first HT are more apt to pick up on the flim flam man because he can t keep his story straight when he is asked too many questions and the guy over 40 just has more life experience.
Sparky
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Wasn't difficult to understand at all!
Sparky
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No I don't agree with you
bullitnut
4 awesome repairs with SMG
No IMHO FUT is not dead and is great if done right. FUE is equally great if done right. Research is key here and whatever method of hair transplant you decide on it is crucial you go with a competent surgeon. I totally get why people like FUE but having undergone both good and bad FUT surgeries I honestly believe FUT is still a great option.
Sparky
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BN, with hindsight would you of done anything about losing your hair, or just accepted and moved on?
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Mickey85
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skiny wrote:
I don't ask anyone to believe me about MY case champ, they can believe what they want, that is up to them. However the information I provide about FUT and the drawbacks are fact and can potentially occur regardless of any efforts of the clinic. You may get permanent numbness, you may get the traintrack effect via sutures. It's not all about my case. I have a feeling you know about me from HTN and my decision to not show my case or name my surgeon is because I value my anonymity and can actually say more because of it. While Spex's name has been mentioned in this thread he was not my rep.
Of course I feel wronged. In an industry that prides itself on 'ethics' and 'informed consent' no one informed me of any of the ramifications that could occur. The contract I signed on the day of the surgery(which was not given to me prior to that day) disclosed the possible yield inconsistency and scar stretching but did not disclose anything else about FUT.
Again, I don't ask anyone to believe me. Do your research, if you think I'm wrong, show me where I'm wrong, debunk me. I certainly won't spit the dummy, I am not infallible. Or you can go trusting the reps of clinics who have agendas and are remunerated by those said clinics. Up to you.
Yeh definitely had a bad experience champ. I did research prior to the surgery alot of discrepancies were held back. They don't tell you that an FUT scar can stretch regardless of the surgeon or the donor closure. They don't tell you about the distortion of hair caliber and grouping gradation. Pivotal details are omitted.Mickey85 wrote:
skiny wrote:
Im not sure who Agony went to. My procedure however was a failure in almost everyway
If i sound like im bashing fut, thats fine, im cool with a label like that, but the info i wrote out about the drawbacks of fut are sound and true. Im more bitter that that information had to be researched by one individual(myself) and not freely dispensed by fut clinics who seem to pride themselves on 'informed consent' as i've never seen them mention those factors publicly or privately.
I would be more suspicious if people such as myself were actually dropping names of surgeons instead of being silent on them as that would show a more personal agenda rather than one based on factual inherent flaws in a technique but that is up to your discretion.
so you had a bad experience, sorry for that if its the case, now you research, you didn ´t before? how can anyone make a call on you if you don ´t show who you are, your experience, just a person behind a name, no pictures, no evidence. You think you are doing good but actually you do no good because you hide, you ask people to believe you but you dont give a reason really.
I get the feeling you are quite young and head strong, you feel wronged and hate it, sorry if wrong, but the way you write sound like that, and you have some followers who probably are the same.
I don't ask anyone to believe me about MY case champ, they can believe what they want, that is up to them. However the information I provide about FUT and the drawbacks are fact and can potentially occur regardless of any efforts of the clinic. You may get permanent numbness, you may get the traintrack effect via sutures. It's not all about my case. I have a feeling you know about me from HTN and my decision to not show my case or name my surgeon is because I value my anonymity and can actually say more because of it. While Spex's name has been mentioned in this thread he was not my rep.
Of course I feel wronged. In an industry that prides itself on 'ethics' and 'informed consent' no one informed me of any of the ramifications that could occur. The contract I signed on the day of the surgery(which was not given to me prior to that day) disclosed the possible yield inconsistency and scar stretching but did not disclose anything else about FUT.
Again, I don't ask anyone to believe me. Do your research, if you think I'm wrong, show me where I'm wrong, debunk me. I certainly won't spit the dummy, I am not infallible. Or you can go trusting the reps of clinics who have agendas and are remunerated by those said clinics. Up to you.
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alexconway
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What happened to Agony666? If you're not complaining about the surgeon I don't know why you can't provide more detail. What does it matter?
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