Joe "Jotronic" Tillman is now independent

[JoeTillman]

What was missed by posting on the other forum is here.
Topcat -

Joe I am posting my response to you on a few questions you asked me and statements you made elsewhere. If the moderator feels this is off topic here by all means please remove it. I just believe it is good information to have and the fact is regardless of what others may believe this is the most viewed hairloss site in the world. One only needs to search sites like alexa to see the numbers.

Sorry Joe that is the best I will do for now, meet those that ask into my home and speak on the phone. Anything more I will do on my terms and not someone else. Anyone that knows me knows I tend to do things my own way and if I make a mistake I own it and try to learn from it. If what I say does not have any truth then it certainly would not be cause for concern by anyone in the industry most especially a now independent consumer advocate. The lawsuits or moreso threats of legal action are enough to be a cause of concern for those considering a procedure and yes I do have plenty to back that up and of course I am not going to post to that to a forum. Better book material while leaving names out. We both know the industry would salivate at seeing some names so they in turn can follow up with a legal threat, hence your comment to "name names". It's too bad that there is a segment of the industry that feels this is the best way to conduct business and suppress information but hopefully that will change. You see you don't seem to quite get it. It's not meant to bad mouth or taunt the industry but help some it change while letting those researching know there is some good one just needs to know what to look for. This in fact benefits the patient as most regardless of how much research they do on the forums still end up confused by it all. I can help shed some light so that when they are researching they will look at it all through maybe a different set of eyes now that they might have a greater awareness. I read a posting very recently on another forum where a patient claims he was told he was not a candidate for fue and was given a strip, not quite what he was expecting. Now a few years later he realized he was lied to as he has had a fue procedure performed that went quite well with another clinic. He is now disgusted by his hideous scar more so because he was lied to by this doctor. Now when a pattern keeps repeating over and over regardless of the specific ht issue then one can only deduce that there is much truth to it. One does not have to be in the room in this case as the pattern emerges over time and this is why constant observation of what is stated, written, and action taken by those that work in the industry is so important especially when researching. When I speak with other patients and they all start saying the same thing it no longer becomes hearsay. This in my opinion helps to give strip a bad name as when one goes into it informed and chooses it that's certainly can be a good choice for them. But no one likes to be lied to for profit. I have often heard by those in the industry when mentioning a doctor that might have issues in the past preface their comments with "please don't sue me" so how you can believe this does not happen and say it with a straight face is beyond me. You can try to discredit me or dismiss what I have to say but I think you are barking up the wrong tree. As I stated I will do it on my own terms and patients are or should be well aware that the fact that this procedure is so personal in nature that industry workers like you often depend on others being so embarrassed that you will just keep your mouth shut let alone show your face. Your attitude is something I have seen before with some of your own patients in the past.........you simply dismiss what they had to say. Like I have stated previously, I think you are good guy but I think you need to protect your turf otherwise you do not make money. More and more patients are learning to connect to each other on their own. When my Youtube channel is up with enough video I will let you know..................I promise and I will not use a forum to connect others to it because it is stealing the hard work of someone else which is the act of a coward in my opinion. I make statements in many of my postings as a way to constantly push myself and follow through................I always do what I say I'm going to do I just move very slow. Everything has to meet my own expectations first before I can expect it to meet others. Times have changed my friend the information will become more available by not only me but by others. It is becoming easier than in the past. I don't need the forums that banned me as I researched and also tried to connect the dots. Joe my biggest weakness is that I always believe people are good at least at first. It is exactly the personality trait that led me to become a repair patient and all the repair patient sing a familiar refrain. So when people wonder why so many bad decisions on my part in the past there you have you answer and hopefully those reading this can learn something from it. I still have that weakness until I become aware of something different and then I no longer feel the need to be so accommodating. I do my best to praise good work and good deeds when I see them on the forums along with doing my best to pass on some of my own knowledge base I believe would be helpful. To ask me to dismiss the bad or turn a blind eye as a repair patient is simply asking too much and hopefully the honest forums can understand there is absolutely no ill intention on my part...........absolutely none. I will use your technique when you want to avoid answering a question and in this case me avoiding your request "keep your eye on the ball" it works very well. When I have the Youtube channel up I will not be posting links in the forums because that is the act of a parasite and one of the biggest pet peeves with this industry is there are simply too many parasites.

Now this is just damned unusual. You're posting your answer on one forum in response to multiple posts on another forum. It's like telling someone to read the prologue of a book and then only handing them the last few pages with the expectation of context being understood. Of course, it winds up being about you. Keep your eye on one forum And with respect to F****l, you're wrong about the Alexa rankings. Check your htrepair email.

Topcat -

I like to spread the knowledge........most here are smart enough to figure it out or if they are interested they can look for it. You don't work for a forum..................right...............it should be of no concern to you.

Joe Tillman -

What does this mean? What should be of no concern to me? Who said anything about working for a forum? You made a statement and I showed you in an email that I sent to you that you were dead wrong. How does this relate? Did you get my email?

Topcat -

If you use Alexa's front page which accounts for historical data h*** is ranked US 57,890 Global 130,877 Making it the most visited site in the hairloss community. Let's say what I am looking at is incorrect and you are basing you numbers on a current month, historical data to me is what is important. And I have been on this site long enough to know most of the posters are in fact genuine so the numbers are real. You ask me to show my face as if I don't it diminishes my credibility. You are really reaching there as I stated when I do it will be on my terms and really I don't answer to you nor anyone in this industry. The facts are I have already mastered Wordpress well enough to put together 3 different websites using different themes. I have spoke of the core machine I designed and my wife wanting to offer dental vacations in the past. My wife obtains visitors from the site I designed simply by word of mouth, meaning she is growing it organically and not being a parasite off the work of someone else. I have several Youtube videos already completed while also learning the ins and outs of e publishing and the different formats and ways to go about getting it all launched. The material only requires an editor the rest I can do myself. I like to learn and do it all on my own because I too don't like the idea of not being a parasite. I also started a blog site as it was suggested to me but I just haven't had the time to update it enough but that will happen. That website I also put together on my own. This all has to come together so that I can grow it organically and to be honest this whole ht issue is such a diversion for me but a necessary diversion. Someone has to stop the dishonesty. And to also be honest it really is not your place to request personal information about me. That would be akin to me asking you why you left H&W what was the real reason. Then what happened with Rahal................how come you did last too long? Do you need a job? Do you need money? Is that it are you desperate for money? I can give you a job digging holes seems like many in the ht industry are good at that, you know digging holes for others. I never asked you any of these questions because it's none of my business.

I've only got a few things to say because frankly, this is silly and you keep trying to take this off subject. But I'll have you know that part of this was an experiment. More on that later.

- First, regarding Alexa, you are looking at Alexa data in reverse. The higher the number the worse the ranking is. The numbers represent a traffic ranking, not actual traffic. Of all the hair loss websites you are comparing the one you say is number 1 is actually number 3. I'm not looking at one month, the graph I sent to you in email shows data for the past six months. The front page of Alexa, or a cumulative six month history, it doesn't matter. Both will show that you're wrong because the lower the number the higher the ranking. 131,000 is not a better ranking than 88,000. It is a worse ranking. The second place ranking is 119,000. And only being concerned about historical data in this regards is saying you only want your opinion to be seen by people from the past. What you should want is for people to see it today. Either way, you're wrong. Accept it.

I did not ask you to reveal your identity. You said you would do so yourself and I asked why you couldn't do it now. Stop playing the victim card. It is embarrassing.

Joe maybe I shouldn €™t have even asked you any questions to begin with but I was honestly excited that someone in the industry would actually try to explain what goes on I might have been expecting too much.

My website has been up for 10 days. It has the most comprehensive terms & definitions on the web. It has the first and only form patients can take into a consultation to "interview" the doctor with some tough questions. It has the first "second opinion service" ever offered. It's all free and I've just gotten started. What have you done so far?


And now the experiment...


- Since I made the update to my thread on this forum on March 24th you and I have posted numerous times. How many times?
Joe Tillman - 5 posts.
Topcat - 9 posts.

You have posted in this thread more than I have by a margin of nearly 2 to 1 and this is what we've learned about YOU in MY thread about ME:

1. No one asked, but on a forum you said you are not going to use the forums to promote your book.[/*]
2. No one asked, but on a forum you said you are not going to use the forums to promote your core machine.[/*]
3. No one asked, but on a forum you said you are not going to use the forums to promote your Youtube Channel.[/*]
4. No one asked, but you said on a forum that you have built a blog that you haven't had time to update.[/*]
5. No one asked, but you learned how to use Wordpress.[/*]
6. No one asked, but you built a website for your core machine.[/*]
7. No one asked, but you built a website for your wife's dental vacation website.[/*]
8. No one asked, but you invite hair transplant patients into your home. [/*]
9. No one asked, but your biggest weakness is believing people are good at first yet in this thread you said that by not rocking the boat I am not righteous and that I'm responsible for screwing up lives by, again, not rocking the boat. Oh, and I'm a parasite for announcing my free website with free tools for people to use and to educate themselves with. I won't rehash the names you've called me publicly in the past. Oh, and apparently I'm a good guy.[/*]
10. No one asked, but you made claim about forum rankings on Alexa. You don't know how to use Alexa web rankings and you state incorrect information as fact.[/*]
11. No one asked, but you said that the hair transplant industry "often" sues people to "keep the machine going" yet when I asked you to back this up your fact switched to there being lots of threats of legal actions. Which is it?[/*]
12. No one asked, but you said you know I can't rock the boat because I have to work within the industry but if I don't rock the boat I'm responsible for a young man's life being ruined. [/*]
13. No one asked, but for some reason you insinuated that I work for a forum. I think. What the Hell was that about anyway? Care to prove this or are you going to make a veiled accusation and then slink away by not following up on it?[/*]
14. No one asked, but you "want your opinion to be heard by as many people as possible". Who says this stuff? [/*]
15. No one asked, SERIOUSLY NO ONE ASKED, but apparently someone posted a gay porn on another forum and claimed you were in it. [/*]

So somehow, this thread has turned into the Topcat show, all because I called you out for lecturing me with a pretty insulting assumption that you've yet to acknowledge, much less apologize for. The experiment was to see just how much you would talk about yourself while completely overlooking your insulting language and tone. The numbers above show it is pretty clear. You like to talk about yourself, a lot, and about things that have nothing to do with me but instead have everything to do with showing how generous and dedicated you are and that you can learn new things. We're all proud of you. We all know that you think you know more than doctors because you've not been to one in 30 years and because you are so strict on your diet you have to fight to keep yourself from telling family friends from sticking food items into their rear ends when they offer you something you don't want to eat...three times no less. OMG, what was that witch thinking?!? This is a relevant topic to discuss in a hair loss forum, how? Who does this?


I've never insulted you but you have insulted me. I've never called you names but you have called me names. I've never jumped into any of your threads and told you how you should behave in order to be "righteous" yet here we are with your patronizing and insulting comments and amateurish insinuations. Who do you think you are? What gives you the right to judge me while you hide behind your anonymity? Usually, someone that shares information, asks questions and talks about their problems anonymously is someone that is just looking for help and is genuinely a valuable member of any online hair loss community. The hoped for pattern is that they ask, they learn, they experience and they give back. However, someone that does nothing more than tell others how to behave when they themselves cannot follow their own advice, patronizes others about how their behavior does not live up to some irrelevant expectation and claims to be such an expert on the hair loss industry that they are writing an E-book, all while being anonymous, is something else entirely. A coward with narcissistic tendencies. I don't like going down this road because you, like me, are a repair patient. But you've taken this holier than thou approach too far. Get over yourself and stop looking for conspiracies and plots.


By the way, you're not as anonymous as you think you are. I've never given it a second thought but when I got home this evening I had three emails waiting for me from three separate people with what amounts to a small dossier on who you are and what you do with links to your online social media accounts and affiliations. I personally don't care but it seems that others do.

 

[topccat29]

The site I posted to has a global rank of 131,463 making it the highest ranked site in the hairloss community from what I see, but yes it doesn't matter enough for me to argue about it. I like this site but the market is smaller and mostly UK and so since I live in the US it is important for me to have my opinion heard. Many of the other sites simply have too many screen names that are made up in my opinion.

Yes I mention everything I do because I would like everyone that works in the industry to know exactly what I am doing. It has zero to do with promoting anything. I have a HT blog going while I also have plenty of e-mail contacts. I have not sent that link to one single person because it €™s not my goal. It's kind of like stealing for me. Nor would I ever post a link to my blog in a posting and same goes for those that think it €™s okay to parasite off the work of others by posting a link to their youtube channel. I would rather just try to combine everything together and using each media outlet to feed off of each other and see how it goes. I would be more excited by the numbers as it's not about money as my passion is in fitness and nutrition. And even with that I would like to see what I do. I wouldn't know what to do with too much money and I really don't buy too much except for maybe books. I am kind of anti consumerism so I really don't fall into the trap of needing to having a lifestyle that is fed by that cycle of people feeding off of each other.


I state what I am doing simply because this business is so dirty. What I have found is the one guy doesn €™t know what the next guy is saying to the next guy. So one then must state exactly what one is doing and make everything a public discussion as much as possible. It €™s my own way of saying I do not steal from others. Yes I want to have my opinion heard and yes it is very important for me to get information out there. That will not be stopped and if I can help a forum I will do my best to be part of it. Yes what I have to say is often not positive but readers appreciate a balanced view in my opinion and not everyone is so naïve to think this can all be positive by just performing a short Google search so why try to fool anyone. Do I get heated at times €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.yes €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦..but I do my best to remain civil. Watching people potentially being harmed disgusts me €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦.what can I say €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦ €¦I don €™t stand by and watch. That will never happen.

Yes Joe you started this just as a experiment as a few others have and they got what they expected and seemed to have disappeared. Instead of blaming others maybe they should look in the mirror and ask themselves if maybe it was something they did and try to redeem themselves.

Sorry but I don €™t sit on the sidelines nor do I watch the big game on the TV. I €™m am starting to think that maybe you need the money and are becoming a stooge for the industry. The mantra of the keyboard cowboy for those don €™t go along gets kind of old most especially when patients look into the mirror and are wondering what happened.

Joe I am well aware that people who e-mail me may include those that are not real in their intentions just as many of the posters on the forums. It all goes with the big game the ht industry plays. Whatever happens happens and I will follow the road as I am directed. Some could be those that simply want a piece of the hairloss cash pie. Maybe start their own forum etc.............everyone wants to steal from each other and how they do it does not matter to them.


Sounds like you are threatening me but of course you are not..............whatever happens happens I will go where the road takes me as stated.

Honesty can only be seen over time through observation of what one hears, reads, and by watching what actions others take.

Steve Jobs quote is appropriate for those researching ht. One can only connect the dots looking backwards. If you don't have enough to look back on meaning time spent watching you simply cannot connect the dots. Yes there are honest people in this industry but don't fool yourself into believing it's easy to find.

 

[JoeTillman]

Topcat,
To remind everyone...
The denial..

The site I posted to has a global rank of 131,463 making it the highest ranked site in the hairloss community from what I see,

and the deflection...

but yes it doesn't matter enough for me to argue about it. I like this site but the market is smaller and mostly UK and so since I live in the US it is important for me to have my opinion heard. Many of the other sites simply have too many screen names that are made up in my opinion."

You are continuing to argue that the higher the number is on Alexa the better the ranking. Higher numbers means higher traffic to you. I guess Google has a lot of work to do. As the website that, according to your interpretation of the numbers, is the least visited website in the world I don't see how they can stay in business. As a person with narcissistic personality disorder you'll dismiss this or try to explain it away. As a man, you'll acknowledge that you don't know what you're talking about.

One thing I find comical and frustrating at the same is when people use quotes by celebrities to validate their position. Steve Jobs was a narcissistic fool that had great aesthetic sense but got what he wanted by constantly putting down his peers and subordinates with insults and humiliation. How fitting that you quoted him.

Here's another quote..."I should have listened to my doctor" - Corpse of Steve Jobs

Thank you for explaining more about how you think. How fitting, on Easter Sunday no less. Please tell us more about you today.

 

[topccat29]

Sorry Joe but I can only speak the truth as I see it and I think many with common sense can read what has been written here in this thread and figure things out. Yes it could be a big waste of time like many of the books I have read but sometimes it's just that one line or paragraph that makes it worth the effort. This is what I have found over the years with the forums themselves. One needs to read hundreds and hundreds of postings to find that one line of critical information.


Every patient that I have been in contact with has thanked me for posting information that they felt was very valuable in moving forward with a procedure or they simply stated they wished they would have taken some of the words seriously as they are now dealing with issues that are much bigger than a little bit of hairloss.


I think the moderator €™s statement on the other forum stated this all well. At the end of the day we all have to live with what we do in life. I sleep well knowing I have not harmed some young person simply because he was distressing about hairloss. Sometimes it €™s better to just focus on areas that you can excel and as a repair patient I try to get that message across by writing about some of what I do in life. The point being is you can do exactly the same as a prospective patient and maybe rethink your options. And for the repair patients don €™t let this industry bring you down just be better.



Get into fitness, read books, join a public speaking group, perform on stage whatever it is get involved and you will stress less about the whole hair loss issue. If you are busy you simply do not have time to stress about hair loss and that is probably the biggest secret of getting past it all. If you were placed into a situation where you life was in imminent danger your focus would be directed towards survival and survival only. It has simply been misdirected to something of greater importance. You can also do the same without that outside force by simply choosing the area you decided to direct your focus. It can be done.



Fitness is easy once you can get past all the incredible nonsense that is marketed much like hair transplantation. Once you start getting at the truth it becomes much easier.


I wish I could be nice and positive all the time but what I have learned in life is that there are bad people in the world and sometimes they prey on those without life experience or maybe experience in a certain subject matter. They don €™t like it when you shine a light on it and try to move others towards the light.

If you are a prospective patient please move forward with great caution as this is a life time commitment. If you are a suitable candidate have the smallest procedure possible and I would suggest fue and have it done in a way in which you can walk away from it all if you do not like what you see or what you have experienced. Many in the industry would suggest otherwise and don't like my advice to others but I would suggest keeping yourself safe.


It has always been about the young naive guy walking into the room of the hair transplantation world for me. Some will get that and maybe some will not. Many in the industry put on the face of a friend but sometimes that is just not the real face. This is just the reality so just be aware.

 

[topccat29]

To the forum owner. It €™s hard for me to walk away from a thread if I think I am right about something or feel maybe I have hit a nerve.

In the past it has been suggested to me by several that I should focus less on the negative and more on the positive. I honestly have tried but only seem to last a few weeks. It €™s as if there is some dark force tempting me to point what I might see. It is simply something tugging at me on the inside hoping to save someone and that is all and only a human weakness on my part. Understandable I suppose being a repair patient and seeing so many others who had made poor choices because they simply lacked information but probably overdone on my part.


Often I will make a statement that is meant to have a message. I assume it's clear but for some maybe it's not an example being my experience with the young lady and the fried dough. The message is that you don't have to follow what other people are doing and sometimes if people make you feel bad in order for themselves to feel good in the long run that type of treatment could very well come back to haunt them and this applies directly to those experiencing hairloss. I am very well aware of this and I certainly am not trying to make someone feel bad just pointing out something that might potentially help another. I am very guilty of not explaining my thoughts thoroughly.............just laziness on my part and I will try to do better.


I will once again try to focus on the positive message and moving others towards the light. I will honestly do my best. I am grateful for this forum as I rely on public commitments as many of postings contain that I need to follow through on as a motivating strategy and of course this site was instrumental for me in doing just that. I would do anything to help promote this site, write a fitness thread etc. But maybe it €™s just a matter of not being tempted by the dark forces that tend to draw me in so I will start there. I will try again.

 

[JoeTillman]

Sorry Joe but I can only speak the truth as I see it and I think many with common sense can read what has been written here in this thread and figure things out.

Topcat, the truth is that you can't admit when you're wrong and the above statement illustrates this perfectly. You made a statement of fact and tried to defend it in multiple subsequent posts and you failed. If a website has a web ranking on Alexa.com of 131,463 and Google has a ranking of 1 the logic you are insisting on means that Google is the least visited website in the world. Either you have not bothered going back to Alexa to learn how it works so you can understand why you are dead wrong or you haven't the mental capacity to grasp the concept of reverse order ranking. I think it is the former and this is another trait of narcissistic personality disorder.


You don't think you are right, you KNOW you are right so you can't be bothered by checking your facts. This is why, in my very VERY experienced opinion, you are not dangerous to the HT industry in the least. If you were you would have been outed a long time ago because if I got three emails about your identity just from this thread then you better be damned sure multiple clinics have your identity as well. If you were a threat, they would have done something by now. What does that tell you? It tells me that the HT industry doesn't even know you exist. A few doctors do, but a few doctors does not make the industry. Instead, you are dangerous to patients. When you are wrong, and I mean REALLY wrong, you can't own up and admit it as evidenced in this thread. Instead, you bob and weave away from the point by sharing a sob story about how you're going to resist the dark urges tugging at you. What dark urges? The urges to own up to being wrong. The urges to, I don't know, NOT call people names? The urges to shame them because they don't live up to your standards, that you yourself can't live up to? How does this translate to the advice you give people that are making serious decisions about their lives?


You started this, Topcat. It was with the name calling and the insults. You think you can use your roundabout manner of using riddles and half sentences to call me a parasite and to insinuate to others that I secretly work for a forum? That I am to blame for a young man's life being ruined through inaction and not rocking the boat? You assume you are in a position to pass judgement on me? I'm not going to let you get away with your BS and it is exactly my new position in this world that allows me to continue to hammer your lies, hypocrisy and vicious attacks on others without any worry of repercussions for my employer, since I now have none. I'm making it a point to quote everything you say and screenshot everything you say because you have a tendency to edit your postings a couple hours later. No more. Consider this a notice. I'm going to be on you like white on rice in a snowstorm and I'm going to call you on your BS every time you spew it. Here and everywhere else you post. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Tell us again how a website with an Alexa ranking of 131,000 is better than a website with an Alexa ranking of 88,000 and even MUCH better than a website like Google with an Alexa ranking of.....1. Or instead, admit you are wrong.


Please expound on this "you don't work for a forum......right" comment. I know this was sarcasm which means that you are saying I work for a forum. Which one? Or instead, admit you were trying to stir the pot and that you have no proof to base this off of.

I would have left you alone on all of this, as I always have, but you poked me with a stick.

 

[topccat29]

Joe I simply wanted to post my comment to forum with a higher viewership. I have looked at Alexa before and HLH has a global rank of about 131,000 and when compared to the other names I typed in they ranked lower with numbers like 535,000 etc. If I stated it was number one by the data I was looking at then maybe I needed to look deeper. I was only using their front page.

What was important to me was the higher viewership and really no disrespect to this forum. I have been posting there for about 12 years and I like the site and feel comfortable. When you seemed so concerned with what was just an offhand comment by me stating it was the number one site my reply was simply a way of saying why do you even care. Maybe that is what I should of said. So I €™m sorry if that makes a difference and maybe I was wrong on the number. But if anyone here goes to the Alexa page and types in the various sites HLH comes out with the lowest number.

You really are reading too much into it. I would have left the comment out if I known it was going to be such an issue. I simply wanted to post there as your thread was started on multiple forums and I only post to 2 forums for my stated reasons. This is also why you test story doesn't make much logical sense but maybe that was part of the plan.


Yes I made the parasite comment and I will tell you why. HLH had a great PM system but I think what happened and I'm just guessing someone was using it to promote their own business so it was taken down. Which I understand but it does hurt legitimate patients that want to connect privately without using e-mail. I have never used the system for anything other then that so I really thought it only takes a few to spoil it for the rest. If everyone started posting links to their own site how is that fair to the forum itself.


I apologize for the parasite comment. I have just been seeing a lot of it recently so maybe the comment was a bit hasty. I will continue to provide the best information possible to readers and if you follow my around I'm okay with that.

 

[JoeTillman]

Topcat,

Joe I simply wanted to post my comment to forum with a higher viewership.

What was important to me was the higher viewership ...

You have absolutely no clue. I'm seeing that now. The point is not that you were wrong. The point is that you are making excuses and can't admit that you are wrong or you may not even see that you are wrong in the first place. It is clear to me that you did not look at the file I sent to you in email which had a direct side by side comparison of each website listed, effectively neutralizing any doubt whatsoever on the subject. But more than that, you don't seem to understand that the mere idea of responding to a post on one forum by posting on another forum is counter-intuitive and illogical as no rational person would think to do this in the middle of a discussion in the first place, much less to do so because they want as many people as possible to see their opinion. This is what indicates that your arrogance is beyond reproach. I have never, in my 13 years on these forums, seen anyone do this.

But if anyone here goes to the Alexa page and types in the various sites HLH comes out with the lowest number.

So I have uploaded a file below. I want to see if you think "maybe" you were wrong or perhaps it is more of a "definitely" you were wrong. This all goes back to why you are dangerous for patients that don't know any better. If you can't flat out admit you are wrong about something, something that is now here for all to see on their screens, then you are more messed up than I imagined. I have blurred out the names but I have left the relevant numbers and graphs. 132,000 was not the lowest number. It was 88,000, (now 90,000), and it is #1. 132,000 is #3.

 

[JoeTillman]

I'm making two posts because I can't upload two images in one post.

Yes I made the parasite comment and I will tell you why. HLH had a great PM system but I think what happened and I'm just guessing someone was using it to promote their own business so it was taken down. Which I understand but it does hurt legitimate patients that want to connect privately without using e-mail.

So you called me a parasite based on a guess??? More horse shit. This is a backtracking excuse because you said the following in an earlier post in this thread.

Nor would I ever post a link to my blog in a posting and same goes for those that think it €™s okay to parasite off the work of others by posting a link to their youtube channel.

The above quote, which is in this thread no less, is talking about posts in a forum, not private messages. Furthermore, in this quote you say you would never post a link to your blog in a forum. Topcat, I don't say this lightly but you are a liar. You have a link in your profile on this very website to your blog, but more specifically, there is a link to your blog in your signature as seen below.

 

[topccat29]

Happy to amaze you

Anyone here can simply go to alexa.com and type in the website addresses for each forum and view the global ranking based on the front page number if anyone even cares and I suppose that is the point it was not the focus of my posting. It seems to matter more to you than me which is what I was trying to say to begin with and nothing more. If I knew I meant so much too you I would not have mentioned it. It seems to be a sensitive issue for you ...............I'm sorry.


If your chart says HLH is not number one then yes I was wrong..............lol.............so yes now you can tell me well what else is Topcat wrong about..............you are being ridiculous now.

I have been through this many times with others that work in the industry over the years. I understand maybe some don't like me but when I talk to patients I hear something different and I usually tell many to stay away from this group it's not what you think it is there is more to the picture.

 

[topccat29]

Sorry Joe but I was banned from that site a few years ago so even if I wanted to I can't delete the link. That blog has maybe 2 postings to it over about 6 years. I don't use it and have completely forgotten about it. That happens with a lot of blogs.

If you can have the link deleted for me by all means have that forum owner delete the link. Either way it doesn't matter for me.

Hairloss websites allow links for helping others to see your work and read your story as they are not for generating revenue. So of course this is not the same to me and I'm sure readers would tend to agree.

If you are reading this and considering a ht procedure I would seriously give it more thought. You are much safer doing nothing then getting involved with this bunch. Certainly not something to be taken lightly. Many simply will not heed the warnings...............hopefully you will wake up.

 

[JoeTillman]

Anyone here can simply go to alexa.com and type in the website addresses for each forum and view the global ranking based on the front page number if anyone even cares and I suppose that is the point it was not the focus of my posting. It seems to matter more to you than me which is what I was trying to say to begin with and nothing more. If I knew I meant so much too you I would not have mentioned it. It seems to be a sensitive issue for you ...............I'm sorry. If your chart says HLH is not number one then yes I was wrong..............lol.............so yes now you can tell me well what else is Topcat wrong about..............you are being ridiculous now.

Yes, if one goes to the homepage, they'll see that you are wrong. Type in any website. Match it up with the file I've shared. It's not my chart, it is from Alexa.com which you originally referenced incorrectly. What matters to me is that your narcissistic personality disorder prevents you from acknowledging that you do not know what you're talking about. It prevents you from acknowledging that you made 8 posts on the issue yet you cannot admit you are wrong without adding in additional conditions.

Sorry Joe but I was banned from that site a few years ago so even if I wanted to I can't delete the link. That blog has maybe 2 postings to it over about 6 years. I don't use it and have completely forgotten about it. That happens with a lot of blogs.

You're lying.

On page one of this thread you said...

I also started a blog site as it was suggested to me but I just haven't had the time to update it enough but that will happen. That website I also put together on my own. This all has to come together so that I can grow it organically and to be honest this whole ht issue is such a diversion for me but a necessary diversion. Someone has to stop the dishonesty.

Would that someone be you? How can a liar stop the dishonesty if he's dishonest himself? How could you have forgotten about your blog if you referenced it three days ago? My God, you can't even remember your lies.

Hairloss websites allow links for helping others to see your work and read your story as they are not for generating revenue. So of course this is not the same to me and I'm sure readers would tend to agree.

Irrelevant. You said that you'd never put a link to your blog in a forum post. You did. You lied about it. I busted you. Done.


And this is the pattern I'm expecting to see continue. You are going to continue to tap dance around your lies and backtrack on your attitude as seen in the past few days. In the thread you felt you needed to start about depression you made some silly comments with an authoritative air but when Janna and Bullitnut called you on your BS you backtracked like a bully that got popped in the nose. You spread so much BS so often that you actually believe it and when you are dead wrong on anything you can never actually admit point blank that you're wrong. You are condescending to those that disagree with you and you spin your stories when you're busted lying. As a person, I have no problem with you but when you come onto my thread and pass unsolicited judgement on me, call me names and make childish slight of hand insinuations, you've got another thing coming. You are a liar and a bully.

 

[topccat29]

Yes it was suggested by another forum that I should start a blog for my personal thoughts on the ht industry which I did recently. The blog you are referencing is something I started about 6 years or so ago on my repair I don €™t keep track of it nor do I update it. The blog I now started is not the same it is related to the ht industry it sounds like you might be confused. I wouldn €™t link to that site on a forum in fact it would probably be deleted if I tried, which I understand. I plan on using it for the book etc. I want to write about what people in the industry do so that others can be aware. They really don't understand this all goes on behind the scenes and many of them are simply fodder. This is why I tell many on the forums you are clueless to how this industry operates. It's not meant to be rude it is in hopes of shaking them up and waking them up many of these ht guys are laughing at you in reality. Yes they will put up with your insecurity about hairloss and all that goes with it because that is how they get paid. This is in fact unfortunately the majority. I don't hand hold other men and I often appear rude because I am simply trying to wake them up. It's too easy to make a mistake. Might be better to just get into the gym, dress better, etc. Focus on other areas of improvement. I try to show many it can be easy to let hairloss not be there main focus and if they choose ht just go slow and look for a small improvement but absolutely always better to walk away from it.


I like to write what I see going on in the ht industry as I have observed it. When patients do not get what they expected or what they were led to believe by getting caught up in the positive banter they don €™t have much recourse, they now have for many a major problem on their hands. It becomes very serious as they start to receive stares from friends and family at what they have done. If they come back to the forums stating what they are now feeling the friendly, happy go lucky, hand holding ht rep has now changed. He has become very aggressive and it is often relentless. I don €™t think this is something guys suffering hair loss need to endure simply because they thought they were doing something to improve themselves. So I try to warn many of these pitfalls because it simply is not a joke. HT reps have threatened to sue their own patients...........it's reality.


I highlighted a line from the ht depression thread. It absolutely applies to the ht industry of that I have no doubt. If you are thinking about having a hair transplant I would seriously rethink it or if you do you are determined then have the smallest procedure possible so that you can have a better understanding of what you are getting yourself into. Many of these guys are not nice guys. I always suggest fue because one can go into it and more than likely just be able to walk away from it if it does not live up to their expectations providing it is a very small procedure and performed by the handful of skilled surgeons in the world. I still believe for some strip works very well it just becomes too big of a commitment for most who are unaware of how much of the industry operates.


Joe I think this is all important information. Many that I am in contact with know that I can often be rude. It's nothing personal and simply my way of saying wake up. I am guilty as a patient and more importantly as a repair patient of not being able to play along with much of what I see. I just can't do it and yes maybe I should just walk away and not worry or concern myself with it all but it just doesn't seem right.

If you are reading this and you are now a repair patient my advice to you would be, don't just disappear and be afraid of posting what has happened to you as that is what the guy before you did. You can do it in a nice way and there are clinics out there that can help you. You don't need to be afraid and remain silent.


This applies to the ht industry. Read it and understand it.
It is a brutally efficient business model, and the pharmaceutical industry guards their territory fiercely. Very powerful people will often do some really crazy things when there are hundreds of billions of dollars at stake.

 

[JoeTillman]

Yes it was suggested by another forum that I should start a blog for my personal thoughts on the ht industry which I did recently. The blog you are referencing is something I started about 6 years or so ago on my repair I don €™t keep track of it nor do I update it. The blog I now started is not the same it is related to the ht industry it sounds like you might be confused.

Irrelevant. You didn't forget about it because you updated it less than a year ago. It doesn't matter if someone else suggested or you thought of it on your own as that is not the point. You said you'd never post a link to your blog on a forum post. You lied about it. Not about having a blog or what it is about, but about posting links to a blog because you specifically said it was parasitic behavior. It was part of your signature on the other forum that you were banned from. A second link you have on the signature, which is also on your profile on this forum, leads to more of your photos as well as hundreds of results from BHR. You are not only a liar but a hypocrite. If you are posting a link to something it is for the benefit of all mankind. If someone else does the same they are a parasite.

 

[topccat29]

This also applies to the ht industry. Read it and understand it.


It is a brutally efficient business model, and the pharmaceutical industry guards their territory fiercely. Very powerful people will often do some really crazy things when there are hundreds of billions of dollars at stake.

 

[JoeTillman]

This also applies to the ht industry. Read it and understand it. It is a brutally efficient business model, and the pharmaceutical industry guards their territory fiercely. Very powerful people will often do some really crazy things when there are hundreds of billions of dollars at stake.

I saw it the first time you posted it. It doesn't change the fact that you are a liar and a bully that can't own up to being wrong. You spew misinformation and berate those that disagree with you and then when undeniable proof is shown to invalidate your information you change the subject by saying it's a connivance by the industry. Oh, and because I'm showing how your posts are full of nothing but BS I'm a now a "stooge" for the industry.

*I edited to correct a grammatical error. A big one

 

[Westside]

Hey Joe there's NO reasoning with this guy. He will NEVER admit to being wrong even when proved to the contrary, the spin will kick in, like in his do not tattoo your head thread.
Take the following post he made regarding Turkish clinics.
The results coming out of Turkey are simply excellent. It €™s seems to be almost non-stop one right after another. Personally I believe the work ethic of the culture itself has much to do with it.



What Turkish work ethic ? What happened to start with a small Fue session ? The Turkish doctors regularly produce sessions of 2500 grafts upwards and he says they are excellent. This is complimenting and encouraging patients to visit Turkey for Hair Transplantation. Where are the SMALL Fue session results from these doctors that make them excellent ?

 

[jonzi]

topccat29 reminds me of the Tea Party movement: Frightening Trolls with a bizarre agenda.

Anyone reading this forum please be advised.

 

[topccat29]

Plenty of very good clinics do large procedures both fue and strip. Would I recommend having a large procedure............no..............but one can still choose a clinic that is putting out good work and simply opt for a small procedure.

The only issue with the Turkish clinics in my opinion is that one needs more history and documentation from patients themselves which I have not seen. Obviously you don't understand the work that goes into extracting that many grafts, it's the reason why it was bashed for so many years. Too much work for most so it was easier to say it provided poor results.

So do I advise a large procedure..............no...............but it is very hard work by the person performing it.

I agree be advised not to believe anyone on a forum. Collect information from as many sources as possible and then form you own opinion by figuring out what makes sense to you.

 

[topccat29]

Jonzi...........you had to have a hair transplant reversal.