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JoeTillman

JoeTillman

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Jonzi wrote:
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Topccat29 reminds me of the Tea Party movement: Frightening Trolls with a bizarre agenda. Anyone reading this forum please be advised.

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topccat29 wrote:
Jonzi...........you had to have a hair transplant reversal.
More bullying. Getting personal with references to a failed surgery for a participating poster? What line won't you cross? I had to have two surgeries reversed/fixed too. Do you have a point to share about that? Seriously.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Yes there are many out there seeking ht reversals. Most of them are strip patients with zippers on the back of their head. The issue for most of them is that didn't want strip to begin with but got talked into it or were told they were not a candidate for fue. Now they simply do not know what to do to reverse the process and end their nightmare.

They unfortunately met the man wearing the mask. He is a slick operator..........very smooth.
 
JoeTillman

JoeTillman

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topccat29 wrote:
Yes there are many out there seeking ht reversals. Most of them are strip patients with zippers on the back of their head. The issue for most of them is that didn't want strip to begin with but got talked into it or were told they were not a candidate for fue. Now they simply do not know what to do to reverse the process and end their nightmare.

They unfortunately met the man wearing the mask. He is a slick operator..........very smooth.
So this means you have the right to bully someone that has had to have a hair transplant reversal just because you are having a disagreement in a forum on the internet? I'm sorry you feel that you have to do that. I honestly didn't think you would stoop that low just to make yourself look like the bigger man. More proof that you just a liar and a bully.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Joe I understood how the forums worked from back in early 2000 €™s and I posted to that point back then. So I just waited and watched but what I found so incredible was that it just didn €™t seem possible. That there was kind of a mini war going on behind the scenes much simply did not appear to be what one was really seeing but driven by selfish motives behind the scenes. Who was doing what and why were they doing it. It €™s also why I have always encouraged others to pick up as many books on marketing as possible along with other subjects as they are all relevant. Similar wars go on in many other industries. Yes I know you are not a fan of books but maybe others are so they should be allowed a few titles here and there without having to worry about your disapproval.


If you are a repair patient many of you will be angry when this realization hits you of what often goes on now that you might be more aware. It does not seem possible and it might be something you did not consider but yes much of what goes on is for show not all but much making it even more difficult to figure it out.



If you now have decimated donor area, your temples don €™t match the rest of the hairline, etc. You simply got caught up in it all and didn €™t know what you were really looking at on a deeper level. Yes I feel bad for you and knowing after the fact sometimes does not help. Hopefully your situation can be fixed but you need to look deeper.


Most of the older guys did not have the forum issue to contend with as it was after our time but young guys do. So you need to learn these other subject areas. Yes it's work but it will help keep you safe.


Yes I do get angry about all of this and ask myself why are these guys doing this when it €™s not necessary. Yes some might end up doing poorly and maybe less sponsorship would be available but hopefully it would all equal out. Yes maybe just wishful thinking on my part but surely there must be some way.


When Eternal Hope started to lose his eyesight his forum no longer meant much to him so he gave it up. Life tends to take on a new meaning and that can happen very quickly. We are all going to die or we can be struck by grave illness tomorrow, might as well try and do something good. Money is often just a lure to see what we will do as a human being. Not good to be caught in it's trap.

Personally I don't care how much money somebody makes or if making money is their thing. It's still a form of goal setting. In fact I would help anybody to make more if I could and that is what makes them happy it just has to be something good that's all. I would expect nothing in return but it must be for something good.

 
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topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
and to be clearer I don't personally believe money making should be any person's priority in life and it is certainly not mine. But I respect maybe someone has that goal and as stated if they are doing good with it and in turn doing good with the money than it does become a good thing.
 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Yes I have had a couple of H&W patients in my home. I can post it because it is true.


I felt very bad for the one patient because he was simply seeing something that was not there the work was absolutely fantastic in my opinion. Often with the younger guys their expectations are simply too high on what can be achieved with a finite supply of donor hair which can only give one back a small percentage of what is lost long term.

He felt his life was over that maybe no one would want him and I did my best to convince him that was not true because in fact it was not true,. It was absolutely beautiful work. Patients often just see something that is not there and it was important to be honest with him and let him know. He tattooed his scar and that I thought did not come out well as it had turned blue but that was before some of the newer SMP. Not a big deal as he was able to cover it up with longer hair.

My wife made us dinner and we chatted until late in the evening. At one point all 3 of us were in my bathroom and I was showing them how I apply concealer. They hardly would say I was anonymous. Just a group of guys sharing similar experiences, laughing about some of it and all trying to figure it out.
 
JoeTillman

JoeTillman

Valued member
topccat29 wrote:
Yes I have had a couple of H&W patients in my home. I can post it because it is true.


I felt very bad for the one patient because he was simply seeing something that was not there the work was absolutely fantastic in my opinion. Often with the younger guys their expectations are simply too high on what can be achieved with a finite supply of donor hair which can only give one back a small percentage of what is lost long term.

He felt his life was over that maybe no one would want him and I did my best to convince him that was not true because in fact it was not true,. It was absolutely beautiful work. Patients often just see something that is not there and it was important to be honest with him and let him know. He tattooed his scar and that I thought did not come out well as it had turned blue but that was before some of the newer SMP. Not a big deal as he was able to cover it up with longer hair.

My wife made us dinner and we chatted until late in the evening. At one point all 3 of us were in my bathroom and I was showing them how I apply concealer. They hardly would say I was anonymous. Just a group of guys sharing similar experiences, laughing about some of it and all trying to figure it out.
This is fine and I've been in the same situation, with patients of H&W and other clinics before I left H&W. This is the type of thing that I've never had a problem with about you and it is a good deed.
And I have to make a comment about your "money" statement. I am trying to make a living in this field because I can't go live in a cave, siphon wi-fi off the grid, and live on the forums all day. If I did my wife would kill me, but I'm trying to do what I do in a positive way that allows me to continue to sleep well at night. I still have a passion for hair and I have too much experience and knowledge to let it go to waste. If you took some time to look at my website and check out the clinic interview form you'd see this, and it is just the beginning. I have so many ideas on how to improve things, by working from within, that I sometimes have trouble keeping my ideas straight as so many new ones pop in my head. I'm currently working on another project that can hopefully bring some sensibility and honesty to another part of the field but that is another story altogether.
You apologized in another thread and I thank you for that.

 
topccat29

topccat29

29 year HT veteran
Nice site and I did like the €œRock the Boat € piece, nice title. I understand and I get it. It €™s easy to lash out in anger when one €™s memory is often refreshed by hearing the stories of young men still receiving much less than what the best have to offer.

Makes much more sense to just create something better than to oppose what is so wrong with the industry.

Good luck with it all and I don €™t think you are a money only person €¦ €¦ €¦.not at all. Just making a general comment on people and I just was not clear.

BTW absolutely excellent documentation in your own journey. If every single patient did this that would solve much of what goes on and I loved the line from your boss Chris "who are you" .....lol..........that is exactly the type of stuff that eases it all for ht repair patients.

 
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