chrisis
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Forgot to add, the topic was locked by the moderator too. Interesting eh.
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Sounds like a forum scumbag
chrisis
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Indeed, but who is holding reps to account? Where is the oversight within certain hair loss organisations that are supposed to exist with an ethical objective? Patients are still being screwed over and the truth is actively censored.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
I made the post below on another forum as it seems more are speaking about this issue and this is exactly what it takes more patients to talk about what happened to them and when their posted experience is deleted from a forum or the thread is locked they should also speak of that experience and let others know. If someone wants to have strip that is fine but no one should be railroaded into a specific procedure and if a rep is a little weasel it s not being negative to state it in fact it s just the opposite it s positive as others become aware.
I have spoken to too many guys that went in thinking they were having FUE only to be told at the very last minute after time was arranged, expenses were paid, deposits were made that they don t seem to be a candidate for FUE after a few extractions and at that point they were told strip is the only option. This is what happens when you are dealing with a doctor that has a very low level of skill or simply does not want to perform that particular procedure for whatever reason. To put a patient in this position is unconscionable and in my opinion only a scumbag would do this and that would include the rep. I would also add that anyone that would associate with those that would do this can probably consider themselves the same, scumbags. If this is a negative message so be it, we all have our own opinions and frankly sitting around boozing it up and talking about all the medications one is taking I find to be 100 times more negative as those that partake seem to like to toss that phrase around of being negative. If you ever find yourself in this position just get up out of the chair and leave. You simply can t make a rational decision under those circumstances. Leave, go home and think first.
I have spoken to too many guys that went in thinking they were having FUE only to be told at the very last minute after time was arranged, expenses were paid, deposits were made that they don t seem to be a candidate for FUE after a few extractions and at that point they were told strip is the only option. This is what happens when you are dealing with a doctor that has a very low level of skill or simply does not want to perform that particular procedure for whatever reason. To put a patient in this position is unconscionable and in my opinion only a scumbag would do this and that would include the rep. I would also add that anyone that would associate with those that would do this can probably consider themselves the same, scumbags. If this is a negative message so be it, we all have our own opinions and frankly sitting around boozing it up and talking about all the medications one is taking I find to be 100 times more negative as those that partake seem to like to toss that phrase around of being negative. If you ever find yourself in this position just get up out of the chair and leave. You simply can t make a rational decision under those circumstances. Leave, go home and think first.
Sparky
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ffs, that sucks!
chrisis
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I don't think anyone who has been properly advised would go for a 1800 FUT transplant in America if they live in Europe.
bullitnut
4 awesome repairs with SMG
I don't agree 1800 grafts is not a small procedure and I wouldn't think twice of going to America for an FUT procedure.
chrisis
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Why?
bullitnut
4 awesome repairs with SMG
Just because I have dude, I have no problems with Europe docs but I am also very happy with my experiences in the US that's all.
chrisis
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I just don't see any technical reason to go to America if you only need 1800 FU. FUE is better than FUT for sessions of that size and American doctors either don't offer FUE or charge double the price.
I suppose if you really prefer a specific American doctor, so much that you'd accept a strip scar or paying more for FUE, then that's a personal decision, however it's not really one I understand.
I suppose if you really prefer a specific American doctor, so much that you'd accept a strip scar or paying more for FUE, then that's a personal decision, however it's not really one I understand.
Prohairclinic
Prohairclinic Scalp Micro Pigmentation
I remember that not too long ago it seemed that going to the US was a must if you wanted to have very large sessions done.
However if you look at top clinics in Europe, you will quickly find out that it no longer makes sense to travel oversees.
Especially in Belgium you have the most Experienced FUE clinics worldwide in my opinion, easily offering 3000+ graft sessions, high quality.
For mega hair transplantation sessions using FUT I can see why Hattingen hair is the place to be in Europe.
Bart
However if you look at top clinics in Europe, you will quickly find out that it no longer makes sense to travel oversees.
Especially in Belgium you have the most Experienced FUE clinics worldwide in my opinion, easily offering 3000+ graft sessions, high quality.
For mega hair transplantation sessions using FUT I can see why Hattingen hair is the place to be in Europe.
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Now now now Bverotti... While there are good clinics in Europe there are good clinics in the US that makes sense to those who want to make the travel.
And to Chris's comment about who holds clinics reps accountable? Mostly us on these forums who call them out. Otherwise most of the time, the shills and forum scumbags get away with pretty much anything.
And to Chris's comment about who holds clinics reps accountable? Mostly us on these forums who call them out. Otherwise most of the time, the shills and forum scumbags get away with pretty much anything.
Prohairclinic
Prohairclinic Scalp Micro Pigmentation
hairtech wrote:
Not denying that there are no good clinics in the States.
But the times that US based clinics are ahead of their European counterparts is surely over.
So if people want to travel to the US they can do so, but not with the sole reason being that the quality is better.
In the case of FUE I would even argue that Europe has taken pole position. I am glad your clinic has made a good FUE progress and surely is one of the best choices for FUE in the US.
Not denying that there are no good clinics in the States.
But the times that US based clinics are ahead of their European counterparts is surely over.
So if people want to travel to the US they can do so, but not with the sole reason being that the quality is better.
In the case of FUE I would even argue that Europe has taken pole position. I am glad your clinic has made a good FUE progress and surely is one of the best choices for FUE in the US.
chrisis
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I know one of those forum scumbags contacted me himself when I was very new and asked me to post on his behalf in various topics. I still have the emails.
I am worried European FUE candidates are still being shipped across the Atlantic for FUT. I want to help stop this unethical behaviour.
I am worried European FUE candidates are still being shipped across the Atlantic for FUT. I want to help stop this unethical behaviour.
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topccat29
29 year HT veteran
I would agree 1800 is too low to have a strip in my opinion. If the number was higher and the patient was aware of all the options along with the good and bad then of course this makes the difference but all too often they are ill advised for other reasons.
Chris I must say I am wowed by your postings, very rare for a young guy who just recently had a procedure. Most will simply not do what you are doing as they are either afraid or they are just about taking what they can and not giving back good or bad. What you have posted demands attention and respect because that could have easily been you but somehow you figured it out and even though I don t know you I still breathe a sigh of relief that you made the right decision in your case . A young man does no need to have they life destroyed through the ill advice of some who only seem to care about making money.
It is also why it is important for those researching to read the forums each and every day while also searching the history listed on the forums as it is very easy to miss the postings of most value.
Chris I must say I am wowed by your postings, very rare for a young guy who just recently had a procedure. Most will simply not do what you are doing as they are either afraid or they are just about taking what they can and not giving back good or bad. What you have posted demands attention and respect because that could have easily been you but somehow you figured it out and even though I don t know you I still breathe a sigh of relief that you made the right decision in your case . A young man does no need to have they life destroyed through the ill advice of some who only seem to care about making money.
It is also why it is important for those researching to read the forums each and every day while also searching the history listed on the forums as it is very easy to miss the postings of most value.
chrisis
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Thanks topccat29!
What about advisers who are fully aware of the options available to prospective patients (and cannot claim not to be), but operate as "conduits" between their employers, one of whom is extremely reluctant to perform a 1800+ FUE?
I don't see what is to fear when I speak only the truth and I'm glad I can confidently do that, whether it's here or at my blog
What about advisers who are fully aware of the options available to prospective patients (and cannot claim not to be), but operate as "conduits" between their employers, one of whom is extremely reluctant to perform a 1800+ FUE?
I don't see what is to fear when I speak only the truth and I'm glad I can confidently do that, whether it's here or at my blog
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
If someone already has had a strip than 1800 for another strip doesn t matter so much. But someone like Chris a young guy who needs a minimum amount of grafts why would someone give that kind of advice? He could have also easily found himself in the chair halfway across the world thinking he was going to get fue and than advised at the last minute that strip is the only option. Pretty scary for someone alone in another country and already in the chair and it has happened to others.
Chris I also liked the fact that you brought a few friends along with you for your procedure. Not only does that support help it s also a good idea as others might pick up on something or see something that you may not and help to advise you as these are your friends.
The most confusing part about the research is trying figure out who is being honest with you. If you see a patient that is constantly being hammered for what he posts or gets banned from forums than you might want to pay attention. If you sit back long enough and watch it all it becomes easier to understand what is happening.
Chris I have seen some of your posts on the other forums and the responses from some. They have a way of wearing you down and eventually most that are trying to do something good just go away.
Chris I also liked the fact that you brought a few friends along with you for your procedure. Not only does that support help it s also a good idea as others might pick up on something or see something that you may not and help to advise you as these are your friends.
The most confusing part about the research is trying figure out who is being honest with you. If you see a patient that is constantly being hammered for what he posts or gets banned from forums than you might want to pay attention. If you sit back long enough and watch it all it becomes easier to understand what is happening.
Chris I have seen some of your posts on the other forums and the responses from some. They have a way of wearing you down and eventually most that are trying to do something good just go away.
chrisis
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That is what and motivates me: I could easily be sat typing this message with a strip scar if I'd listened to "experts".
And then those experts would have changed their mind while I'm still recovering from surgery.
It's unbelievable.
And then those experts would have changed their mind while I'm still recovering from surgery.
It's unbelievable.
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Bverotti wrote:
I slightly take offense here Bverotti. First of all Mwamba and myself were the only ones doing FUE in Belgium originally. We did this at Devroyes office years back. then other clinics came to Belgium. I don't quite understand why Belgium became a focal point for FUE. A bunch of clinics started doing it there way after we were doing it.
The second thing I find offense is when you say that you are "... glad that my current clinic has made good FUE progress..." What? lol That's like saying DHI has made good progress in FUE. Our FUE was performed way before Prohair was up and running... and we have been doing just fine.
Your clinic is making good progress over the years tho.
I slightly take offense here Bverotti. First of all Mwamba and myself were the only ones doing FUE in Belgium originally. We did this at Devroyes office years back. then other clinics came to Belgium. I don't quite understand why Belgium became a focal point for FUE. A bunch of clinics started doing it there way after we were doing it.
The second thing I find offense is when you say that you are "... glad that my current clinic has made good FUE progress..." What? lol That's like saying DHI has made good progress in FUE. Our FUE was performed way before Prohair was up and running... and we have been doing just fine.
Your clinic is making good progress over the years tho.
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