topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Have you posted your experience to HTN and if so were you banned for doing so?
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Mr T
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i'm limited to posting due to busy career
i post when i can on here, stophairlossnow and hairlosstalk
mars: will see what bhr have to say, tbh, tarvel is a problem now that i'm wrking... so easy to hop on the eurostar...
i post when i can on here, stophairlossnow and hairlosstalk
mars: will see what bhr have to say, tbh, tarvel is a problem now that i'm wrking... so easy to hop on the eurostar...
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mars
Valued member
travel should NEVER be a factor!!
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Mr T
Valued member
well atm, i'm considering
bhr
hasson and wong
rahal
Dr Rogers, but he's not given me a good impression, takes too long to reply back to e-mails... very frustrating
bhr
hasson and wong
rahal
Dr Rogers, but he's not given me a good impression, takes too long to reply back to e-mails... very frustrating
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mars
Valued member
Forget dr rogers seriously
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Mars I would disagree with you. BHR is highly skilled in all 3 procedures Strip, FUE and BHT all it takes is some research. Of course their ability to use very small hand punches always comes to the forefront of one s mind because less than a hand full of doctors in the world have this skill and it is slow tedious work which most clinics even if they were equally as gifted would not pursue because it hurts their bottom line. But that should not take away from their strip results which all one needs to do is research and view for themselves.
Mr. T you need to speak and meet with patients and people who work in the industry and spend plenty of time before doing anything. Too many of us have fallen prey to well planned marketing.
I try to stay away from promoting too much because actually I m more intrigued about the slimy underbelly of the hair transplant industry and enjoy writing about it. But sometimes I do feel the need to speak up.
Mr. T you need to speak and meet with patients and people who work in the industry and spend plenty of time before doing anything. Too many of us have fallen prey to well planned marketing.
I try to stay away from promoting too much because actually I m more intrigued about the slimy underbelly of the hair transplant industry and enjoy writing about it. But sometimes I do feel the need to speak up.
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mars
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Topcat we are def in agreement when it comes to bhr and their skill at fue and bht and no doubt they do good strip too but the 3 docs/clinics i listed are in a class of their own in terms of strip,all did strip exclusivly until the past few yrs h&w still do,the amount of strip result these clinics have posted over the years whether it be virgin or repair cases is unmatched by any other clinics worldwide!!
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musclehair
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My question to Mars: which are your reasons or bad known cases to discard Dr Umar for some Beard hair transplant work?, in my opinion he has very good cases in the net, some of them impossible repair cases although it could be all marketing and i may be wrong.
On the other hand I fully agree with you when talking about strip: the 3 tops are Hasson, Shapiro and Rahal...also Bisanga is a well known top strip master.
For Mr T, if you think that staples were responsible of your bad scar be aware that Hasson use them, although he might have a secret because the scars i ve seen in his job are good...and why do you think staples were the reason of your big scar?, could you explain this?.
Thanks again and all the best to my colleagues of war.
On the other hand I fully agree with you when talking about strip: the 3 tops are Hasson, Shapiro and Rahal...also Bisanga is a well known top strip master.
For Mr T, if you think that staples were responsible of your bad scar be aware that Hasson use them, although he might have a secret because the scars i ve seen in his job are good...and why do you think staples were the reason of your big scar?, could you explain this?.
Thanks again and all the best to my colleagues of war.
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
I will stand by my statement of searching the history of what has been written over the years and understanding where each doctor started along with the quality of their character.
My biggest issue with the strip only clinics is that they seem to be very anxious to see robotic FUE type devices come to market so that they can participate which in my opinion are no comparison to the much smaller hand punch. At the moment they don t seem to be directing patients to skilled FUE surgeons when the case warrants and that to me is a big red flag. Sometimes I feel I see what too many others seem to miss but it s only my opinion. I appreciate the civil debate.
My biggest issue with the strip only clinics is that they seem to be very anxious to see robotic FUE type devices come to market so that they can participate which in my opinion are no comparison to the much smaller hand punch. At the moment they don t seem to be directing patients to skilled FUE surgeons when the case warrants and that to me is a big red flag. Sometimes I feel I see what too many others seem to miss but it s only my opinion. I appreciate the civil debate.
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topccat29
29 year HT veteran
I could easily pull up quotes from those that work in the industry that might be an eye opener for many. But that is where the internet does come in handy as sometimes when you look hard enough you can find what you are looking for but anyone can do that for themselves. Regardless hopefully Mr T finds a resolution to his problem, good luck.
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mars
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Muscle hair the reason i would discard umar are as follows,i think he takes way too many beard grafts in one go,i have seen some of results where 2-300 were taken in the one surgery,his photos and videos have dark lighting and complementary angles in after pics it can be misleading to the untrained eye,umar has taken pubic hair arm hair leg hair which i think should never be done,and every video on youtube states results may vary,i dont like all his internet bodyguards and cheerleaders either they actually make him look so bad.
I wouldnt trust a robotic fue in a non experienced fue doc either topcat and i do believe fue should be for the first 3000+ grafts and strip should be last resort.
I wouldnt trust a robotic fue in a non experienced fue doc either topcat and i do believe fue should be for the first 3000+ grafts and strip should be last resort.
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ejj
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Hard really to advise the best course of action . Is the area scar tissue ? or is it shock loss ? its similar to mine, apparently a Dr told me that this is the problem area were most tension occurs therefore this is the stretch ` danger area `
I would look into taking a slow approach even though you say you have good laxity I would be extremely careful , ive seen a few revisions that just stretch right back sometimes at and around the same time the internal dissolvable sutures start to dissolve .
You could try a few beard fues into it see how it goes , i would be extremly reluctant to go full revision , part revision and fue may be better option , if i can be of any help pm me !
Re Dr Feller , in fairness to him i think this is a full blown case of MPB and its continuation , every norwood 7 was a norwood 3 at one time , this should be taken into consideration before embarking on the path of hairtransplantation , during my repair research I emailed Dr Feller and he offered to do a few hundred FUEs into my scar free of charge to see how they would grow .
In reference to Dr feller sueing a patient , I was led to believe it was a " cease and desist " letter and that he had no intention of sueing him , that said it was a really weird case as the poster had from what i could see from the pictures almost 100% growth from his fue procedure , this was quite clear with the pictures Dr Feller presented , it also showed further MPB behind the grafted area that the patient wasnt happy about
Just thought would post that bit to remain fair and impartial
best wishes
ejj
I would look into taking a slow approach even though you say you have good laxity I would be extremely careful , ive seen a few revisions that just stretch right back sometimes at and around the same time the internal dissolvable sutures start to dissolve .
You could try a few beard fues into it see how it goes , i would be extremly reluctant to go full revision , part revision and fue may be better option , if i can be of any help pm me !
Re Dr Feller , in fairness to him i think this is a full blown case of MPB and its continuation , every norwood 7 was a norwood 3 at one time , this should be taken into consideration before embarking on the path of hairtransplantation , during my repair research I emailed Dr Feller and he offered to do a few hundred FUEs into my scar free of charge to see how they would grow .
In reference to Dr feller sueing a patient , I was led to believe it was a " cease and desist " letter and that he had no intention of sueing him , that said it was a really weird case as the poster had from what i could see from the pictures almost 100% growth from his fue procedure , this was quite clear with the pictures Dr Feller presented , it also showed further MPB behind the grafted area that the patient wasnt happy about
Just thought would post that bit to remain fair and impartial
best wishes
ejj
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mars
Valued member
ejj dr fellers pics have a strong flash,the patient in question was jessie1 and the pics he took and posted did not look great,its dr fellers attitude is whats a turn off more than anything else,his work is good most of the time.
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ejj
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fair enough mars , i thought it looked ok , i have noticed that negativity towards him in many cases is due to ` communication ` with his office anyway I dont want to take the thread off topic and if in anyway i can be of help to Mt T let me know
all the best
ejj
all the best
ejj
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Mr T
Valued member
what is everyone's view on Rahal, based on my situation?
Regards
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ejj
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Dr Rahals results look good , defo worth a consult , if your based in the UK i would consult with Dr Bisanga and Dr Mwamba in Brussells , i wouldnt rush into anything though
all the best
ejj
all the best
ejj
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Mr T
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BHR advised the following:
You have a NW2 or so hair line, donor density generally looks to be lower than average from the pictures, open donor scarring in maybe 30% plus of the donor safe zone, retrograde alopecia around the back rising up behind the ears.
The crown requiring 2500 plus grafts, a crown that looks as if has the possibility to drop further into what would be the safe zone, the frontal you say looks different in reality than pictures. To cover the frontal zones would take another 3000 grafts to achieve from the pictures going back into the mid section, assuming all that area is transplanted hair and the native hair has fallen out. Scar revision, it is not worth trying to englobe the old scars and take another as they are too wide, better to place hair back into the scars to camouflage them better. Body hair test in to the crown could be donem What resources of body hair have you got, beard and upper chest as they are going to have to be excellent and conform to the character of the scalp inorder to blend and give any concept of coverage.
This is not a case however that can be assessed properly over pictures. You may have to rethink your goals. We would need to see density in the donor availability for any strip to be taken and FUE and then discuss when we know what can be harvested and how where we position the grafts in order of best cosmetic improvement, but you may have to come to terms that initial goals cannot be met safely.
they are still on my potential list tho...
You have a NW2 or so hair line, donor density generally looks to be lower than average from the pictures, open donor scarring in maybe 30% plus of the donor safe zone, retrograde alopecia around the back rising up behind the ears.
The crown requiring 2500 plus grafts, a crown that looks as if has the possibility to drop further into what would be the safe zone, the frontal you say looks different in reality than pictures. To cover the frontal zones would take another 3000 grafts to achieve from the pictures going back into the mid section, assuming all that area is transplanted hair and the native hair has fallen out. Scar revision, it is not worth trying to englobe the old scars and take another as they are too wide, better to place hair back into the scars to camouflage them better. Body hair test in to the crown could be donem What resources of body hair have you got, beard and upper chest as they are going to have to be excellent and conform to the character of the scalp inorder to blend and give any concept of coverage.
This is not a case however that can be assessed properly over pictures. You may have to rethink your goals. We would need to see density in the donor availability for any strip to be taken and FUE and then discuss when we know what can be harvested and how where we position the grafts in order of best cosmetic improvement, but you may have to come to terms that initial goals cannot be met safely.
they are still on my potential list tho...
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ejj
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One of the hardest things for me was coming to terms with the amount of work I faced after what i have allready been through , Dr Bisanga thinks somewere around 5 - 6 procedures to get repaired
Dr Mwamba`s consultation was roughly the same but over 3 days , I wanted to go slow and assess the growth as I was very unsure about the percentage of growth i was likely to get , so far its coming along nicely .
Im wary of strip , especially if its allready stretched , Dr Bisanga and Dr Mwamba utilise beard hair , the extent of my repair required beard hair to be used , and after lots of research it really did boil down to just those two Drs
I would consult with both in person , pictures dont really do much they need to get hold of your scalp and have a good look , there both within walking distance of each other , I would spend a day over there see what they say
hope this helps
Ejj
Dr Mwamba`s consultation was roughly the same but over 3 days , I wanted to go slow and assess the growth as I was very unsure about the percentage of growth i was likely to get , so far its coming along nicely .
Im wary of strip , especially if its allready stretched , Dr Bisanga and Dr Mwamba utilise beard hair , the extent of my repair required beard hair to be used , and after lots of research it really did boil down to just those two Drs
I would consult with both in person , pictures dont really do much they need to get hold of your scalp and have a good look , there both within walking distance of each other , I would spend a day over there see what they say
hope this helps
Ejj
topccat29
29 year HT veteran
Mr T a good decision on your part can only be made with and honest and straight forward evaluation. Some clinics will gladly give you exactly what you ask for but if they don t allow for future events than that is not ethical.
Most clinics are in a position of greater knowledge and power and they need to use both with extra care regardless of if others are making money by doing different including low hairlines, super dense hairlines, depleting the donor area, using large punches, not properly planning, experimenting with unproven techniques or a host of other unethical practices.
EJJ I understand what you are saying but I don t necessarily agree. Even a cease and desist order is not necessary. Any ethical clinic would advise the patient that continued hair loss could very well put them in a position exactly where they started before the procedure. If this was done than that is all that needs to be stated. Most people have enough common sense to figure out the truth when presented with facts.
Most clinics are in a position of greater knowledge and power and they need to use both with extra care regardless of if others are making money by doing different including low hairlines, super dense hairlines, depleting the donor area, using large punches, not properly planning, experimenting with unproven techniques or a host of other unethical practices.
EJJ I understand what you are saying but I don t necessarily agree. Even a cease and desist order is not necessary. Any ethical clinic would advise the patient that continued hair loss could very well put them in a position exactly where they started before the procedure. If this was done than that is all that needs to be stated. Most people have enough common sense to figure out the truth when presented with facts.
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